good question.
then again we invaded iraq on a bunch of lies about wmds, so i suppose we can just lie about anything and get away with it.
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then again we invaded iraq on a bunch of lies about wmds, so i suppose we can just lie about anything and get away with it.
Yeah but I think we generally operate from marked military vehicles.
Not civilian cargo transport to launch an attack.
What about the attacks on the children's hospital?
On the morning of July 8, 2024, Russian missiles hit Ukraine's largest children's hospital, Okhmatdyt, and other civilian facilities in the capital, Dnipro, and Kryvyi Rih.
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whataboutism
Etymology
From English whataboutism. This tactic was used by the Soviet Union in response to criticism, when the response began with the expression "А как насчёт..." ("What about..."), followed by a mention of somewhat similar events in the Western world. For example, in response to criticism of the accident at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant, there was a mention of nuclear accidents in the USA
Excellent worker from Olgino.
The manual, as we see, has not been changed since the times of the USSR.
After work, go to the officer and ask what to do if you are caught using the standards.
Both US an Nato have smoked hospitals & milk factory's, so whats your point?What about the attacks on the children's hospital?
On the morning of July 8, 2024, Russian missiles hit Ukraine's largest children's hospital, Okhmatdyt, and other civilian facilities in the capital, Dnipro, and Kryvyi Rih.
Ps.
whataboutism
Etymology
From English whataboutism. This tactic was used by the Soviet Union in response to criticism, when the response began with the expression "А как насчёт..." ("What about..."), followed by a mention of somewhat similar events in the Western world. For example, in response to criticism of the accident at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant, there was a mention of nuclear accidents in the USA
Excellent worker from Olgino.
The manual, as we see, has not been changed since the times of the USSR.
After work, go to the officer and ask what to do if you are caught using the standards.
ukraine has long operated like the pals, hiding weapons in schools and things like that (allegedly).
My biggest takeaway from the weekend’s festivities is to ponder how many Chinese, Iranian, or hell, even Russian-owned trucks loaded with drones there are just sitting in warehouses all over the US waiting for the go order.
There’s a reason the Chinese have bought up so much farmland around our military bases, and with at least a Division’s worth of personnel now just wandering around our interior, they can wreck a lot of havoc taking out critical infrastructure…including hospitals, nuke power plants, etc.
I hope we never discover just how devastating Biden’s open border policy hurt us, but suspect we’re gonna pay a big price for the auto pen’s lackadaisical approach to vetting the millions of people streaming across our borders over the past 4 years before Trump got back in.
God help us…. And I mean that literally.
There’s a reason the Chinese have bought up so much farmland around our military bases, and with at least a Division’s worth of personnel now just wandering around our interior, they can wreck a lot of havoc taking out critical infrastructure…including hospitals, nuke power plants, etc.
I hope we never discover just how devastating Biden’s open border policy hurt us, but suspect we’re gonna pay a big price for the auto pen’s lackadaisical approach to vetting the millions of people streaming across our borders over the past 4 years before Trump got back in.
God help us…. And I mean that literally.
Payback is coming and according to many sources it will far,... far,... outshine the opening rounds of D/S.
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Afganistan, we blew up schools that we built in the first place, with F-16's.
Full of IED supplies, kids not there as our forward observers lazed them. Took 3 passes before the pilot would smoke it since it was a school.
So much explosives team took minor injuries and fighter jock said wtf.
Thanks Cactus Ass, saved a bunch of our guys.
Ps: Texas Mad Man and Cactus Ass want thier zippo back.
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I just have issues of people who will point out that "this person didn't serve", and use it to fault that person, but yet they themselves didn't serve either, so it kinda the pot calling the kettle black.
I don't care if you serve in the military or not, but if you use it to fault someone and such and you didn't serve yourself.....that's just comical.
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Si. That's kinda what I was getting at.
I have more of a peeve against deserters and traitors.
VN, was Kennedy’s war, a Democrat. Johnson prolonged it, Once committed, the right, said well, kick the crap out of the Communists, and win this motherfucker.
The Left couldn’t have us uneducated Americans killing communists wholesale. Then the left produced their visible asses, (hippies, celebrities, Hollywood, and others of the same ilk {who haven’t changed their commie colors one iota}) came out as Anti-war. And anti-conservative.
As warriors, we were kicking ass every single day. We were wining when we left.
AFTER the warriors left, the Politicians shit the bed, and quit, with no honor whatsoever. The enemy was in the USA. If we’d cleaned out Hollywood, and Haight Ashbury, we probably wouldn’t have men in women’s sports and people cutting their son’s dicks off.
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Disagree, Kennedy did not want the war. Elements of the democratic party & all of the MIC did. LBJ lite afterburner, as he was deep, deep, deep into defense stocks. When Ike was in it was advisors only starting about 58 & JFK wanted to pull those but the claws of the MIC were deep,...
this and much much more like it is why all the congress toads all all so Uke enraptured. Putin has paid them off in the past,as we know. doubt he's in the mood these days. so,their graft has to come from Ukraine,usually via our own MIC.
that is exactly right. what i was trying to get across about changes in attitudes is that in the 60s anti war was anti American. now it seems that many very pro American interest types are anti war. ie the wars of choice that we have been in since and including VN.
seems that legitimate nat'l interest is something most have come to understand is not starting wars all over to advance and enrich a social and political elite. our current real war with OBiden's 20 mil+ invaders is one we should be involved with. that really needs to be at the ww2 level of total commitment.
this is most likely correct, and at least one possible reason for why the cia killed him.
he signed an order in october 1963 to start withdrawing forces from south vietnam. he did not survive november.
Kennedy was playing the game too.
Cable 243 - Wikipedia
I personally think if he had not be killed Vietnam would have blown up on him too. Would he have gone full Johnson?
I also think Kennedy would have been remember much differently if he had not be assassinated. Like a Carter or a Biden.
1963 South Vietnamese coup d'état - Wikipedia
not an uncommon belief. can't say you are wrong. Kennedy did have a big piece of VN. i really don't think he would have gone the 5.5 mil troop commitment. he has been quoted as saying he would pull everyone out. hard to know the truth there. many people my parent's age felt he would have been impeached if his screwing around and drug use got out. that stuff was known but not well known til in the late 80s. maybe impeachment or get voted out in early 60s when "greats" were the controlling voter demographic? never happen now with Clinton escapades and Obama's crack smoking BG action. Trump is trying a well as anyone could. i admire trump's essentially personal courage. i'm not happy with some of his stuff. that said,what are our options? bottom line-we're done for,staying the lines as we are doing.Kennedy was playing the game too.
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I personally think if he had not be killed Vietnam would have blown up on him too. Would he have gone full Johnson?
I also think Kennedy would have been remember much differently if he had not be assassinated. Like a Carter or a Biden.
1963 South Vietnamese coup d'état - Wikipedia
Disagree, he was playing the hand the war hawks & MIC dealt him. He admitted on that tape he made a mistake. It was LBJ who really kicked it off in 1965 and lobbied for the Social Security trust fund that was bulging at the seams to be rolled into the general funds to pay for the war. It was after that S/S went on a down hill ride. Not saying JFK was perfect, far from it, but he did not want or own that war,...
^ literally half the reason I hope Russia takes over all of The Ukraine
Yeah he was heavy into pain pills wasn't he?
Trump is way better than the alternative options presented, Ie Kamal Toe.
Gotta give him credit for all the flak he has taken and still there. Personal courage as you call it. I think many recognize the faults in him but none of us are perfect.
I do think we have better more capable people in this country, but politics is a dirty game.
l'd argue sending a cabal that results in a coup, that destabilizes a country is a pretty big error, regardless if he admits it. For 10 years prior the South had been keeping the north at bay. This coup destabilized the south. He owns that fuck up. This action IMO resulted in the need of US forces to hold things together. He holds a large part of the responsibility pie for causing it.
looks to be several diff opinions/outlooks. not a surprise or a poison pill. some merit,some error everywhere in the past and in our current disaster.
yea and george the 2nd was a grown up during VN. he absolutely should have been aware of the problems and known better.
There's a video of that hit, why don't you post that video?
Maybe because that wasn't a Russian attack,but because it was your own AA...
That wouldn't fit your narrative as a poor innocent victim.
Remember there were lots of war mongers long before JFK entered. Ike had warned about this in his last speech. JFK failed when he believed those around him, that were supposed to be trusted SME's. I don't hold that war against him, I hold those that Ike warned about for it for presenting the spin/bait that so many of us got caught up in, until we were smart enough to think for ourselves. I entered in 1964 and started seeing things in 1965 that even this 17yo dumb ass farm kid from Indiana questioned, but was told you're not old enough to understand these things. That might have been true, but the follow on's opened my eyes more & more. Then one day I remembered IKE's message, w/o a boggy man, real or created,...
Red, White, & Blue, still runs thru my veins, but I now have check points before blindly allowing passage, for/to action on my part.
and do what exactly? blindly terror bomb more civilian population centers? surely that will protect their strategic assets! It will work this time!
And, that he publicly stated that he planned to "break the CIA up into a thousand tiny pieces".........
I respect the opinion and perspective. With the consideration we all have outside pressure from trying to push us, sway opinions. I am doing it right now for example. Relating to Kennedy, he also had people around him that did not want to push the 63 coup, even mentioned Washington was divided on it, Robert McNamara, being one of them.
Regardless of who was talking in his ear. He made those decisions.
That is one guy I'd have gladly went to prison over, if I could have got close enough to. I hated him more than Fonda
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How much Hoppes no 9 are you huffing to see a strike on military targets, resulting in zero civilian casualties, 3 years into a hot war as comparable to an attack on a country not currently at war resulting in massive loss of military and civilian life? "Muh Pearl Harbor!" is some serious sensationalist retardation. Yesterday it was "they didnt need those old planes anyway!" Holy shit old man open your windows, you clearly need some ventilation lmao
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Shouldn’t you be out recruiting for the effort
Many US states have hospitals that treat your illness, some even have special wards within them. Even within those there are special rooms. We have one reserved for you as they have read your shilling & propaganda here & believe they can treat you.
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