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Ukraine war Bullshit.

we are pretty deep in it. I think the threat could be enough.

Not that I wanna see it. I think this whole thing is fucked but its one potential path.
No way. Trump ran on ending the war in a day. Putting troops on the ground would be handing the house and senate to the Democrats next year. One coffin with an American flag from Ukraine would sink the rest of his term and Vance would be another Dan Quayle.
Putin ain't stoooopid
 
That's what I mentioned earlier when I said that Congress has taken an end run. Congress has taken the threat of withholding funds as a negotiation position.
Another example of congress abdicating its responsibility to the American taxpayer for political purposes. Ukraine is not the responsibility of the the USA.
Ukraine is not and was not capable of winning the war with Russia. The Ukes can't finance or produce the weapons they need to fight a war.
Protecting Uk or getting involved in a war over them is of no benefit to the USA either economically ,militarily, or alliance wise.
We need to stop any and all assistance to z boy.
 
That the USA is going to join the fight? Start WW3 for a POS Ukraine? I don't think that Putin was impressed.
Trump should have handed him that big red button that Hillary showed when she was secretary of state.
The flyover was a bad idea and fucking waste of taxpayer money and resources. Putin is fully aware of what our advanced aircraft are capable of doing. Trying to bully or intimidate him is just plain fucking stupid. What should be going on from the start is Trump having serious conversation with Putin about how to end the bs war.
Hillary and her red button :rolleyes: she liked to talk tough, showed just how out of her league she really is/was.
 
so you have anything on MH-17 or you just going to bring up other shit that is not directly related to it. I challage you to prove it false, the intercepted comms you are failing at discrediting.

Those are not valid counterpoints, you have a bad case of apophenia. I fear you may be teetering on the early stages of schizophrenia.

btw, where's the best place to get some R-22?
the fact is, that all the BUKs in that part of the world were Ukrainian, there were pictures of Ukrainian BUKs driving around that day in that area, and one was later pictured without its missiles. Putin's plane was flying nearby the same afternoon and there was Ukrainian radio chatter about shooting Putin down.

Girkin, the self-styled militia commander who made all the statements on the radio did not have a BUK, but he is an idiot who showed up to the separatists claiming that he had the authority of Moscow behind him to lead the separatist movement. He didn't. He's made a lot of claims, and for a while people believed him. Sort of like how Washington believed von Steuben's bullshit.......only Von Steuben was accidentally competent. And GRU or FSB officers don't run their mouths like Girkin does. If he ever was a legit intelligence officer, he must have had a breakdown or stroke at some point and lost his marbles. He's basically a reenactor or larper. And He's currently in a Russian prison, or recently was, for being a moron who says stupid things regularly.

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Girkin pretending to be a White Guard officer

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Girkin pretending to be a Roman legionnaire.

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Girkin pretending to be "sent from Moscow to lead the Rebels"

you should hear the speech he gave to the Police unit who switched over to the separatists in 2014. It's like something out of Monty Python. the guy is a loon.
 
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No way. Trump ran on ending the war in a day. Putting troops on the ground would be handing the house and senate to the Democrats next year. One coffin with an American flag from Ukraine would sink the rest of his term and Vance would be another Dan Quayle.
Putin ain't stoooopid
Idk. The way the dems are locked in fuck russia, support Ukraine. They might go for it.

Lol he could flip some new supporters…. 🙃
 
This is a very interesting video. Formally speaking. Alaska is a Russian territory.

“Is”? What are you talking about? Try “was”. I don’t see any Russian flags flying over Alaska and they aren’t speaking Russian. Last I checked there are 50 stars in the flag, not 49, and the bases there are US. Among other details.
 

As someone who hates DEI this is dumb lol. There’s a ton of black people who participate in sports, and the best athletes move up. Russia only has about .03% black people so there’s more chance an ethnic Russian will move up in the sport. Something like 97% of the top runners in every distance are black and that’s based on speed alone.
 
Russia only has about .03% black people
and yet Russia is the imperialistic one as far as i know black dont become black by being too long in the oven or the sun but are from specific areas of the planet and countries with more(why) than 0.03% might be the point of the article especially the likes of “old european ones” who once thought they are really special and above all others.
 
the fact is, that all the BUKs in that part of the world were Ukrainian, there were pictures of Ukrainian BUKs driving around that day in that area, and one was later pictured without its missiles. Putin's plane was flying nearby the same afternoon and there was Ukrainian radio chatter about shooting Putin down.

Girkin, the self-styled militia commander who made all the statements on the radio did not have a BUK, but he is an idiot who showed up to the separatists claiming that he had the authority of Moscow behind him to lead the separatist movement. He didn't. He's made a lot of claims, and for a while people believed him. Sort of like how Washington believed von Steuben's bullshit.......only Von Steuben was accidentally competent. And GRU or FSB officers don't run their mouths like Girkin does. If he ever was a legit intelligence officer, he must have had a breakdown or stroke at some point and lost his marbles. He's basically a reenactor or larper. And He's currently in a Russian prison, or recently was, for being a moron who says stupid things regularly.

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Girkin pretending to be "sent from Moscow to lead the Rebels"

you should hear the speech he gave to the Police unit who switched over to the separatists in 2014. It's like something out of Monty Python. the guy is a loon.
It’s one of the most retarded things I think I’ve seen you type. Emphasis on things you typed.

try citing your sources
 
OMG stop bullshitting there are plenty of sources more credible than SBU that have clearly disproven the “eastern terrorists” did it if you’re genuinely curious then you will have absolutely no trouble finding sources that clearly disprove findings and official story of location, of vehicle/sam used and of photo evidence presented.
 
OMG stop bullshitting there are plenty of sources more credible than SBU that have clearly disproven the “eastern terrorists” did it if you’re genuinely curious then you will have absolutely no trouble finding sources that clearly disprove findings and official story of location, of vehicle/sam used and of photo evidence presented.
More of your monkey fucking a honey bee.

I'lll say it again you got nothing, other than your imagination.

Where is it, evidence, its 2025 and this is the internet. You can share it, do you even copy paste?

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The flyover was a bad idea and fucking waste of taxpayer money and resources. Putin is fully aware of what our advanced aircraft are capable of doing. Trying to bully or intimidate him is just plain fucking stupid. What should be going on from the start is Trump having serious conversation with Putin about how to end the bs war.
Hillary and her red button :rolleyes: she liked to talk tough, showed just how out of her league she really is/was.
You assume that the B2 flyover was intended to influence Putin - maybe it was to influence US citizens, maybe influence EU
 
The flyover was a bad idea and fucking waste of taxpayer money and resources. Putin is fully aware of what our advanced aircraft are capable of doing. Trying to bully or intimidate him is just plain fucking stupid. What should be going on from the start is Trump having serious conversation with Putin about how to end the bs war.
Hillary and her red button :rolleyes: she liked to talk tough, showed just how out of her league she really is/was.
Watching him look up and Trump clap was worth it.

Plus I doubt he has ever actually seen them in person.
 
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This is a very interesting video. Formerly speaking, Alaska was a Russian territory.

This should fix it.
“Is”? What are you talking about? Try “was”. I don’t see any Russian flags flying over Alaska and they aren’t speaking Russian. Last I checked there are 50 stars in the flag, not 49, and the bases there are US. Among other details.
 
I agree that Alaska was a Russia territory. At the same time, lots of Russia historians claim that it was a rental deal for 100 years, starting from 1867.
I do not have a clue. So, whatever happened in reality is what we should accept as a fact. I do not know for sure what really happened, it is impossible to find an original 1867 Alaska assets sale agreement online. I hope my statement ends this discussion and we can all agree on basics and stuff...
 
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I agree that Alaska was a Russia territory. At the same time, lots of Russia historians claim that it was a rental deal for 100 years, starting from 1867.
I do not have a clue. So, whatever happened in reality is what we should accept as a fact. I do not know for sure what really happened, it is impossible to find an original 1867 Alaska assets sale agreement online. I hope my statement ends this discussion and we can all agree on basics and stuff...
March 30, 1867

Treaty concerning the Cession of the Russian Possessions in North America by his Majesty the Emperor of all the Russias to the United States of America; Concluded March 30, 1867; Ratified by the United States May 28, 1867; Exchanged June 20, 1867; Proclaimed by the United States June 20, 1867.

BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

A PROCLAMATION.

Whereas a treaty between the United States of America and his Majesty the Emperor of all the Russias was concluded and signed by their respective plenipotentiaries at the city of Washington, on the thirtieth day of March, last, which treaty, being in English and French languages, is, word for word as follows:

(the French version is omitted for brevity)

The United States of America and His Majesty the Emperor of all the Russias, being desirous of strengthening, if possible, the good understanding which exists between them, have, for that purpose, appointed as their Plenipotentiaries: the President of the United States, William H. Seward, Secretary of State; and His Majesty the Emperor of all the Russias, the Privy Councillor Edward de Stoeckl, his Envoy Extraordinary and Minister Plenipotentiary to the United States.

And the said Plenipotentiaries, having exchanged their full powers, which were found to be in due form, have agreed upon and signed the following articles:

ARTICLE I.
His Majesty the Emperor of all the Russias agrees to cede to the United States, by this convention, immediately upon the exchange of the ratifications thereof, all the territory and dominion now possessed by his said Majesty on the continent of America and in the adjacent islands, the same being contained within the geographical limits herein set forth, to wit: The eastern limit is the line of demarcation between the Russian and the British possessions in North America, as established by the convention between Russia and Great Britain, of February 28 - 16, 1825, and described in Articles III and IV of said convention, in the following terms:

"Commencing from the southernmost point of the island called Prince of Wales Island, which point lies in the parallel of 54 degrees 40 minutes north latitude, and between the 131st and the 133d degree of west longitude, (meridian of Greenwich,) the said line shall ascend to the north along the channel called Portland channel, as far as the point of the continent where it strikes the 56th degree of north latitude; from this last-mentioned point, the line of demarcation shall follow the summit of the mountains situated parallel to the coast as far as the point of intersection of the 141st degree of west longitude, (of the same meridian;) and finally, from the said point of intersection, the said meridian line of the 141st degree, in its prolongation as far as the Frozen ocean. "IV. With reference to the line of demarcation laid down in the preceding article, it is understood -

"1st. That the island called Prince of Wales Island shall belong wholly to Russia," (now, by this cession, to the United States.)

"2d. That whenever the summit of the mountains which extend in a direction parallel to the coast from the 56th degree of north latitude to the point of intersection of the 141st degree of west longitude shall prove to be at the distance of more than ten marine leagues from the ocean, the limit between the British possessions and the line of coast which is to belong to Russia as above mentioned (that is to say, the limit to the possessions ceded by this convention) shall be formed by a line parallel to the winding of the coast, and which shall never exceed the distance of ten marine leagues therefrom."

The western limit within which the territories and dominion conveyed, are contained, passes through a point in Behring's straits on the parallel of sixty-five degrees thirty minutes north latitude, at its intersection by the meridian which passes midway between the islands of Krusenstern, or Ignalook, and the island of Ratmanoff, or Noonarbook, and proceeds due north, without limitation, into the same Frozen ocean. The same western limit, beginning at the same initial point, proceeds thence in a course nearly southwest through Behring's straits and Behring's sea, so as to pass midway between the northwest point of the island of St. Lawrence and the southeast point of Cape Choukotski, to the meridian of one hundred and seventy-two west longitude; thence, from the intersection of that meridian, in a south-westerly direction, so as to pass midway between the island of Attou and the Copper island of the Kormandorski couplet or group in the North Pacific ocean, to the meridian of one hundred and ninety- three degrees west longitude, so as to include in the territory conveyed the whole of the Aleutian islands east of that meridian.

ARTICLE II.
In the cession of territory and dominion made by the preceding article are included the right of property in all public lots and squares, vacant lands, and all public buildings, fortifications, barracks, and other edifices which are not private individual property. It is, however, understood and agreed, that the churches which have been built in the ceded territory by the Russian government, shall remain the property of such members of the Greek Oriental Church resident in the territory, as may choose to worship therein. Any government archives, papers, and documents relative to the territory and dominion aforesaid, which may be now existing there, will be left in the possession of the agent of the United States; but an authenticated copy of such of them as may be required, will be, at all times, given by the United States to the Russian government, or to such Russian officers or subjects as they may apply for.

ARTICLE III.
The inhabitants of the ceded territory, according to their choice, reserving their natural allegiance, may return to Russia within three years; but if they should prefer to remain in the ceded territory, they, with the exception of uncivilized native tribes, shall be admitted to the enjoyment of all the rights, advantages, and immunities of citizens of the United States, and shall be maintained and protected in the free enjoyment of their liberty, property, and religion. The uncivilized tribes will be subject to such laws and regulations as the United States may, from time to time, adopt in regard to aboriginal tribes of that country.

ARTICLE IV.
His Majesty the Emperor of all the Russias shall appoint, with convenient despatch, an agent or agents for the purpose of formally delivering to a similar agent or agents appointed on behalf of the United States, the territory, dominion, property, dependencies and appurtenances which are ceded as above, and for doing any other act which may be necessary in regard thereto. But the cession, with the right of immediate possession, is nevertheless to be deemed complete and absolute on the exchange of ratifications, without waiting for such formal delivery.

ARTICLE V.
Immediately after the exchange of the ratifications of this convention, any fortifications or military posts which may be in the ceded territory shall be delivered to the agent of the United States, and any Russian troops which may be in the territory shall be withdrawn as soon as may be reasonably and conveniently practicable.

ARTICLE VI.
In consideration of the cession aforesaid, the United States agree to pay at the treasury in Washington, within ten months after the exchange of the ratifications of this convention, to the diplomatic representative or other agent of his Majesty the Emperor of all the Russias, duly authorized to receive the same, seven million two hundred thousand dollars in gold. The cession of territory and dominion herein made is hereby declared to be free and unencumbered by any reservations, privileges, franchises, grants, or possessions, by any associated companies, whether corporate or incorporate, Russian or any other, or by any parties, except merely private individual property holders; and the cession hereby made, conveys all the rights, franchises, and privileges now belonging to Russia in the said territory or dominion, and appurtenances thereto.

ARTICLE VII.
When this convention shall have been duly ratified by the President of the United States, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, on the one part, and on the other by his Majesty the Emperor of all the Russias, the ratifications shall be exchanged at Washington within three months from the date hereof, or sooner if possible.

In faith whereof, the respective plenipotentiaries have signed this convention, and thereto affixed the seals of their arms.

Done at Washington, the thirtieth day of March, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-seven.

[L. S.] WILLIAM H. SEWARD.
[L. S.] EDOUARD DE STOECKL.

And whereas the said Treaty has been duly ratified on both parts, and the respective ratifications of the same were exchanged at Washington on this twentieth day of June, by William H. Seward, Secretary of State of the United States, and the Privy Counsellor Edward de Stoeckl, the Envoy Extraordinary of His Majesty the Emperor of all the Russias, on the part of their respective governments, Now, therefore, be it known that I, Andrew Johnson, President of the United States of America, have caused the said Treaty to be made public, to the end that the same and every clause and article thereof may be observed and fulfilled with good faith by the United States and the citizens thereof.

In witness whereof, I have hereunto set my hand, and caused the seal of the United States to be affixed.

Done at the city of Washington, this twentieth day of June in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-seven, and of the Independence of the United States the ninety-first.

[L.S.] ANDREW JOHNSON
By the President:
William H Seward, Secretary of State








Evidence...
 
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Greenboy i really do not care what you know and what moves you. MH17 is old news so basically either you choose to believe or you educate yourself on this site i find plenty o’people capable or willing to educate themselves and admit their wrong when they are (we all are at some points of time) and i discuss or disagree with them but being chatGPT for lazy or emotionally challenged as a non AI person i won’t be. Do you can merrily fuck off or use grok, chat or nothing i really dont give one or two or half a fuck what you believe.
 
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So thats your official description of what happened?

Lol.
I mean look at the terrain around Kiev, the size of the city and the supply routes the Russians had. You're looking at more soldiers then Russia began the war with just to take Kiev. Sure you did say sack and not occupy but it's a pretty stupid idea to think the Ukrainians wouldn't form even basic resistance and kiev just looks gnarly to assault.
 
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You assume that the B2 flyover was intended to influence Putin - maybe it was to influence US citizens, maybe influence EU
B2 is a a cool AF plane so it was pretty neat.

I agree that Alaska was a Russia territory. At the same time, lots of Russia historians claim that it was a rental deal for 100 years, starting from 1867.
I do not have a clue. So, whatever happened in reality is what we should accept as a fact. I do not know for sure what really happened, it is impossible to find an original 1867 Alaska assets sale agreement online. I hope my statement ends this discussion and we can all agree on basics and stuff...
Possession is nine tenths as they say, US has Alaska now so that's a bit stronger than 150 year old claims.
 
Greenboy i really do not care what you know and what moves you. MH17 is old news so basically either you choose to believe or you educate yourself on this site i find plenty o’people capable or willing to educate themselves and admit their wrong when they are (we all are at some points of time) and i discuss or disagree with them but being chatGPT for lazy or emotionally challenged as a non AI person i won’t be. Do you can merrily fuck off or use grok, chat or nothing i really dont give one or two or half a fuck what you believe.
You have still failed to support your claim.

You were asked to take a swing, and didn't even step up to the plate.

Pathetic.
 
I mean look at the terrain around Kiev, the size of the city and the supply routes the Russians had. You're looking at more soldiers then Russia began the war with just to take Kiev. Sure you did say sack and not occupy but it's a pretty stupid idea to think the Ukrainians wouldn't form even basic resistance and kiev just looks gnarly to assault.
It was a "hail mary" raid attempt. it failed.
 
You assume that the B2 flyover was intended to influence Putin - maybe it was to influence US citizens, maybe influence EU
Beat me to it.

The flyover was not for Putin. It was the "optics" that all the various media would spread. They spend a lot of time and money (our money) to shape opinion.

I got no problem with the intentional Mil Flex escorting into our airspace, flying over, in the background and escorting back out of our airspace.
 
The flyover was a bad idea and fucking waste of taxpayer money and resources. Putin is fully aware of what our advanced aircraft are capable of doing. Trying to bully or intimidate him is just plain fucking stupid. What should be going on from the start is Trump having serious conversation with Putin about how to end the bs war.
Hillary and her red button :rolleyes: she liked to talk tough, showed just how out of her league she really is/was.
That shit was not for Putin. He, like every truly powerful man, is well above that crap. The flyover was for media purposes to give chubbies to the mental midgets that approach politics like pro sport’s rivalries. It’s all bullshit. Until the problem children end up still and steaming in a ditch, all this theatre represents zero reality.
 
To do what though? Like what are you imagining the Russians wanted and why did it fail?'
Take the capitol. Regain their hold on Kiev.

Ukraine flooded the area(irpin river basin) and blew bridges, RU military couldn’t make it through. Russia failed to take the air field to deliver support for the push.
 
Take the capitol. Regain their hold on Kiev.

Ukraine flooded the area(irpin river basin) and blew bridges, RU military couldn’t make it through. Russia failed to take the air field to deliver support for the push.
Yeah, this is a how it started and how it's going in reverse.. took their licks, learned their lesson and are now kicking ass.
Z recently was begging "stop the killing" as part of negotiations. He's desperate.
 
It’s one of the most retarded things I think I’ve seen you type.


sources? simply to make you happy, you want me to look for MSM articles from 2014 on a controlled internet in order to disprove the narrative which the MSM promotes while you sit there like a princess and defend the official news?

Instead of asking me to impress you, which I could care less about, how about you look up non-MSM sources of information which are not government assets and research what I said about the Ukrainian BUKS or Girkin. Nothing media, nothing CIA run like Bellincat or Wiki. Nothing that the government or any of its informational warfare systems controls, alters, or dictates. Good luck finding any un-manipulated info from that far back. I'm content with what I know, saw, and posted on similar forums back then, long before you sent your first dick pic on this message board.
 
They either rule by however they feel at a moment in time, or more likely, just don’t feel much of anything, like a wild feline. You could call it practical, or Machiavellian, but even the females who am closest to are like this.
Childish leaders oppress my people, and women rule over them. O my people, your leaders mislead you; they send you down the wrong road. IS 3:12
 
Out of curiosity I checked chatgpt on mh17. It's been programmed to confirm it was Russia. It also had these little nuggets on the Russia collusion with Trump.
Russian Interference Confirmed

The report affirmed that Russia interfered in the 2016 election through two major operations:

A social media disinformation campaign.

Hacking and leaking Democratic emails.
And this little fucking nugget.
Origins of the FBI Investigation

The Justice Department’s Inspector General found the FBI’s Crossfire Hurricane investigation (launched July 2016) was properly predicated, with no political bias in opening the probe.
 
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