Use of a laser designator on ar

[adam1122]

Guys,

I recently bought a 165mw green laser illuminator for my m4. It resembles the shape and size of a surefire scout light....uses 2 cr123 batteries. Obviously, this thing cranks out the light!! I can easily mark targets several hundred yards away in broad daylight. In a dark room the beam and the dot combined act like a floodlight. It canoed easily incapacitate someone with momentary blindness.......he'll, it will even pop a balllon, light a match, and cut through thin plastic.

It doesn't seem super rugged but if I don't slam it into a brick wall I should get my monies worth.

Question - from a tactics view- what do you think the best way is to Emily the laser against a threat? Use it like a strobe so I can easily acquire a target or leave it on and let the sheer intimidation factor eliminate a threat from more escalation? Oh, one worry I have is that if rounds start to fly and I light someone up,with the laser everyone around will know my position.......big trade off I suppose when not using an IR unit. It would be hell on pigs though.

What do y'all think?

 

[FCS]

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165 mW green laser?

I think when you are fu$*ing around with that green laser beam and blind somebody you'll be sued for a more $ then you'll ever have. You have any idea what you are "playing" with? Know what 165 mW of green will do to a retina?

You might want to rethink the momentary blindness if you put a 165 mW green laser beam into somebody's eyes.

I think you have no idea the trouble you are flirting with.

 

[The Mechanic]

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Should work on zombies but you have to hit them in the head or they will eat your brains.

 

[Victory]

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It isn't a laser designator as per your thread title suggest.


You should try both modes on yourself and see which works best.

 

[scotharr]

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For a home defense scenario: sell the laser and get some tritium-illuminated iron sights. Go to some 3 gun and pistol matches: it will be educational. You'll learn that nobody uses lasers because they slow target acquisition. They also highlight your location....

 

[Possum]

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"Lasers" look cool on TV, but I see no use for a "Laser" that isn't IR
My $.02 lose the "Laser"

 

[Shibumi]

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When you decide to sell it, give me a call. I will take it off your hands!

 

[adam1122]

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Interesting that lots of folks thinks that something like a laser that just happens to have a bitmmorempower than what is considered normal is useless. 165mw can easily be produced using 2 cr123 lithium batteries and makingmsomeminternalmmods.....go check out laser defense.

I use a insight tech m6x light and laser combo on my duty pistol and it works great but the 5mw red laser is useless after 8yards in broad daylight.

And listen folks, I don't go around shining laser light in people's eyeballs. That's just idiotic. I use them to rapidly identify a threat and get on target faster. It's the size of a small flashlight so why not have one. I shoot with trijicon sights and fiber optics and I will use anything at gives me an unfair advantage.

I was just curious if anyone else here has one on there ar? If nothing else.....do some google fu and go check one of these things out.

 

[LoneWolfUSMC]

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IMHO lasers on a long gun have a very limited scope.

In normal use you will be much slower with a laser than with a dot sight or even "eye-muzzle-target". Try it on a timer and you will see.

IR lasers (not the green lasers) are great when using NVG's that prevent you from using standard sighting systems.

I do run a green laser on my duty handgun for a couple reasons. I first put it there when I occasionally carried a shield on the entry team. It allowed me to tuck the pistol instead of running it in front of the shield window. I have also found the deterrent effect useful when the situation warrants pointing a loaded firearm at a suspect.

I played with a high power green laser on one of my ARs. It looks cool as hell. Tactically it falls short.

 

[Layton]

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I think one of the points being made is that if you take time to 'paint' your target, said target is most likely already shooting at you since they know where you are. So you've just given them the advantage. Not a smart move.

 

[LoneWolfUSMC]

Re: Use of a laser designator on ar

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SteelShot11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Interesting that lots of folks thinks that something like a laser that just happens to have a bitmmorempower than what is considered normal is useless. 165mw can easily be produced using 2 cr123 lithium batteries and makingmsomeminternalmmods.....go check out laser defense.</div></div>

Understand that "makingmsomeminternalmmods" and then "accidentally" blinding someone in the course of your duties can be an expensive proposition for you and your department. In urban environments there are LOTS of things that will redirect the full power of that beam in directions you were unable to anticipate. A vehicle take down can be a nightmare (mirrors, glass, paint, chrome, etc.).

 

[dynamic research]

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Lasers have there place. But not in a combat situtation. We worry enough about the muzzle signature giving away our position. Once you use the laser, you have given up your position. Even in a home protection situtation, the bad guy knows right where to start shooting. Its better to keep the element of surprise on your side. Get some night sights, or train to shoot at night with your front site. Hang a chem light on a target at 10-15 yards and engage. Check you poi and adjust. If you pratice, you will get confident enough to not need the laser. Good luck.

 

[Layton]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SteelShot11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I use them to rapidly identify a threat and get on target faster. </div></div>

Question, when you use the laser to identify that threat and get on target. Are you watching the target the whole time or are you watching your laser trace across the floor, wall, whatever until it get's on target? You may think you are watching your target but practice honestly with yourself and pay attention to how you are acquiring that target with a laser.

 

[LoneWolfUSMC]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SteelShot11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I use them to rapidly identify a threat and get on target faster. </div></div>

I missed that one.

Lasers don't do shit to "identify" a target unless you diffuse it to the point it's no longer an aiming point.

 

[Helter]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SteelShot11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I use them to rapidly identify a threat and get on target faster. </div></div>

I missed that one.

Lasers don't do shit to "identify" a target unless you diffuse it to the point it's no longer an aiming point. </div></div>

Unless I'm mistaken, that's exactly what he's talking about. It functions similarly to a flashlight, except that it keeps a much tighter beam, and illuminates farther.

I'm pretty sure that one of the ranges in my area uses them for suppressed night matches, so that the participants don't need night vision.

 

[Strykervet]

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All I can say is, dude, you are the shit. Snipe away brother!

 

[Graham]

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I don't see the point of mounting a laser on a rifle unless you are a member of a team that needs/uses it in IR.

 

[adam1122]

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Well I can use either since this particular rifle uses a Aimpoint pro optic , match folding buis and a sure fire scout light. The laser unit I take off and on frequently as I just don't think it will hold up under real hard conditions. I think it would just fail.

By the way. You guys should check out how bright a green beam of 165mw is. While the beam is focuses the ambient light thrown off from the beam illuminates any decent sized room so nvgs don't necessarily have to be used.

Oh well, for a couple hundred bucks it's a cool toy to play with until it takes a dump in some water.

 

[Mister Ouchie]

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geez, I really hope you know what you're doing with that thing. You could lose your eyesight in an instant.

 

[adam1122]

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Imdecided to see just how strong the beam is and found out that it can

1. Light a non safety match after about 7 seconds of being illuminated
2. Easily pops a child's ballon that is pretty inflated
3. Can cut through a very light plastic bag from the grocery store if I'm really patient.

I don't think it has a tactical purpose bc it can't hold up,to harsh conditions but for shooting game it has some real purpose.ccheck em out.....made by a co called laser defense.