I like the wet tumble without pins process myself. Tried the pins and they are a pain to my mind.
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My understanding is any interior neck lube would be done with something like a Q-Tip, not dipping the case, or you dip the case and then drop the charge.
Did you use any wax in your tumbler?
I have not pulled any down after storage for a year but have shot plenty of them with no changes noted.
But would it matter where it matters?
That's the point a lot of people miss.
Just like cleaning primer pockets. It's a total waste of time.
Foster offers an inside the neck graphiter setup. The steps would be - clean sized and dry case, primer seated, neck ID brushed with graphiter, powder dropped in case.
BTW they describe its use as a preparation for sizing, not bullet seating, but it would work in this capacity as well.
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BTW they describe its use as a preparation for sizing, not bullet seating, but it would work in this capacity as well.
Case Neck Graphiter
When sizing a fired case, pulling the expander button through the case can present a problem because residual deposits left from firing can create friction...
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I'm just going to cerakote my brass. Nothing seems to stick on that stuff.
Caused by graphite?
No, graphite was just a mess. (Period)
The peened necks were from the wet tumbler. Which caused galling and brass sticking to my mandrel. Which I tried to use graphite to avoid.
Yeah the graphite is a mess for sure but definitely slick.
What graphite do you use? Apply with q-tip after charging?
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My first time using it this week. I used the hi-line precision kit. $15ish off Amazon.
I wet tumble,15 minutes without media and its gtg, mho.
Just because your dishwasher runs for an hour+ doesn't mean your wet tumbler has too.
No peening, no rolled case mouths!
Sometimes I use a brass cleaner, sometimes just a detergent.
AND always make sure the tumbler is filled to the top with water! It serves as a buffer.
Oh yeah, you still have to DRY the brass lol
Did I mention that I hate listening to a dry tumbler running for hours and hours!
Just because your dishwasher runs for an hour+ doesn't mean your wet tumbler has too.
No peening, no rolled case mouths!
Sometimes I use a brass cleaner, sometimes just a detergent.
AND always make sure the tumbler is filled to the top with water! It serves as a buffer.
Oh yeah, you still have to DRY the brass lol
Did I mention that I hate listening to a dry tumbler running for hours and hours!
I wet tumble,15 minutes without media and its gtg, mho.
Just because your dishwasher runs for an hour+ doesn't mean your wet tumbler has too.
No peening, no rolled case mouths!
Sometimes I use a brass cleaner, sometimes just a detergent.
AND always make sure the tumbler is filled to the top with water! It serves as a buffer.
Oh yeah, you still have to DRY the brass lol
Did I mention that I hate listening to a dry tumbler running for hours and hours!
What formulas have you been using for your cleaning agent.
I am still experimenting but I run 30 minutes with pins dawn and lemi shineI wet tumble,15 minutes without media and its gtg, mho.
Just because your dishwasher runs for an hour+ doesn't mean your wet tumbler has too.
No peening, no rolled case mouths!
Sometimes I use a brass cleaner, sometimes just a detergent.
AND always make sure the tumbler is filled to the top with water! It serves as a buffer.
Oh yeah, you still have to DRY the brass lol
Did I mention that I hate listening to a dry tumbler running for hours and hours!
I'm going to echo what others said above, there's a lot of unproven BS in reloading advice so be careful. I personally haven't noticed any difference in SD between clean brass and dirty, carbon on necks or not. I have tried graphite lube and I don't think it does anything with seating force. What does reduce seating force is using a larger mandrel and/or neck turning.
For those not using media when wet tumbling, remember one of the functions of that media is to buffer against collisions between brass, so you might end up with more case mouth damage that way. I would always use a mandrel and trim after wet tumbling anyway, so I don't think it's a factor.
For those not using media when wet tumbling, remember one of the functions of that media is to buffer against collisions between brass, so you might end up with more case mouth damage that way. I would always use a mandrel and trim after wet tumbling anyway, so I don't think it's a factor.
Thanks for advice
Only for people who think all kind of bullshit reloading voodoo matters.
The tumbler I use doesn't allow a lot of room for brass to move. I hear it rattling but it can't be much actual movement because I have never, ever had any neck damage whatsoever.
And believe me I've looked hard for it since some people here continue to harp about it.
Nope. No damage.
Quite honestly I was done taking reloading advice over the internet several years ago. Now I experiment on my own and keep what works for me and ignore what doesn't work or anything where the juice isn't worth the squeeze (primer pocket cleaning/uniforming for instance)
Is that tumbler round inside or does it have angles or agitators? The frankford is hexagonal so its a rough spin and things get mixed and banged around pretty good.
Me neither.
It's round and smooth inside, no vanes, flaps, or any protrusions.
It's round inside. I don't know how cases move inside. I do know they come out shiny (without the need for pins), clean, and undamaged.
I looked it up.
Evedently made or lined with rubber. Guess that makes for traction / friction that moves and rotates contents.
Wonder if it would work with dry media?
Much as I love my vibratory cleaner they do make noise and if I can not close the door on the room it is a bother.
Some days I take it outside of the house.
Everything has a tradeoff.
If I had a wet tumbler then my wife would bitch I was qualified to wash, rinse and dry.
Hell no.
Evedently made or lined with rubber. Guess that makes for traction / friction that moves and rotates contents.
Wonder if it would work with dry media?
Much as I love my vibratory cleaner they do make noise and if I can not close the door on the room it is a bother.
Some days I take it outside of the house.
Everything has a tradeoff.
If I had a wet tumbler then my wife would bitch I was qualified to wash, rinse and dry.
Hell no.
Even though I trust that a pin would just get blown out the barrel behind the bullet, I'm still paranoid about it. When I use steel pins, I go over the cases with a fist-sized neodymium magnet after they are dried.
The Frankord wet tumbler isnt any quieter than a dry one, just a different obnoxious sound. Not sure about the little harbor freight one.
Right my frankord arsenal isn't that quiet
You're absolutely right. The difference is you don't have to listen to it for hours and hours
Exactly, im down to like 20min. I tried it with no pins, next I'll try a double dose of pins.You're absolutely right. The difference is you don't have to listen to it for hours and hours
Tipical comments of an engineer
HBN is supposed to be the new hotness if you're into that kind of thing.
Typical comments of those who deal in feelings and opinions
I would have said "typical comment of someone who just got butthurt" but whatever.
The amount of people who have calibrated trigger fingers and can apparently measure 2oz, and accurately tell me what the weight of any rifle is, should put trigger pull gauge companies out of business. Secondly is people who have vernier scales tattoo'd to their eyeballs and tell me how long or big something is.
Yes people can learn, but even the most seasoned veteran can't do shit compared to the correct measuring equip, which is why we use it.
Reloading. Results are down range, not arguments on the internuts.
I can't say for sure which area of rifle shooting is most rife with bullshit but reloading's got to be in the top 3 for sure.
I'm interested in knowing your thoughts on wet/dry tumbling? Sticky bullets, etc.?
I wet tumble. It cleans better than any dry media process I have ever used. The way I do it doesn't damage cases in any way and I don't fuck with stainless steel pins or anything else other than hot water and soap.
I dry cases in an oven at a temperature above the boiling point of water but below the transition temperature of brass.
I don't care about sticky bullets because I don't see any ill effects in either pressure (subjective) or accuracy (objective).
I use the stainless chips instead of pins. they pour out when rinsing. don't get stuck in firing pin holes.
So neodymium magnets work on stainless steel?
Yes if it has iron in it. The ss pins will rust if not dried properly just like a ss rifle!
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