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I guess I'm just a bit dense today.....why in the world would the OP want to sell this gun insofar as; 1) the gun ain't right so why try to stick someone else with it and, 2) He has already gotten a .308 barrel shipped from Mike at TacOps (chambered, I suspect) to SAC who is building a new gun for him basically from scratch....using a Surgeon action, I think (but may recollect this incorrectly).
You can stand by it all you want.....it still doesn't make any sense to me.
Cheers
What's your point?
Way to double down on stupid on a problem that isn't even yours
wouldn't it have just been easier to buy a rifle from Tac Ops in the first place?
The problem isn't with the builder. I chose Short Action Customs because of a stellar reputation of building accurate rifles. I did not choose unwisely.
Hey guys, I haven't read any of the 200+ response thread but obviously the OP should do X, Y, and Z because it's obviously not going to be taken care of by anyone at any point.
These fucking guys...
These fucking guys...
Actually, had you taken a bit more time, you would have read that, indeed, it IS getting taken care of.
Reading....something my granddaughter wants oh so bad to do. Yet grown men are too fucking lazy to do!
^This
The egotism of some people to think that they obviously know more than the 100+ people that have actively responded on an issue without looking at the responses is a cancer that seems to grow by the day.
Back off, I already asked in post #109........haven't you read this entire thread
Sorry. I misconstrued your reply. It’s hard to read “emotions” In text.
This may turn out to be one of the most interesting rifle builds in history. If you go to a great builder, he builds you a rifle and it shoots lights out what kind of story does that give you? This is going to be story to tell.
Surgeon 591 and DBM left for Mark @ Short Action Custom today Via Fed Ex...
Mike R.
Mike R.
This right here. The 308 guru speaks. I’d be packing that rifle as quick as I couldI'm pretty sure I could help you if you pay shipping both ways
Mike R.
Did you read the whole thread before posting?
This thread was somebody’s wet dream they finally got to show everyone.
EVERYONE BURN YOUR IMPACTS!!!!
Lmao
EVERYONE BURN YOUR IMPACTS!!!!
Lmao
Is that what you got out of this? Everyone turns out a defective product once in a while. Nowhere did I see on this thread where anyone has even hinted at what you claim.
Unless you're just joking.
That's why I asked. It's difficult to pick up on humor or sarcasm sometimes.
You know, the number one profession for people with asperger's is engineering. Here's a quick test: is the face below smiling, frowning, or is it difficult for you to tell?
Yes. No. Maybe.
Not yet. Just got contacted by Sarah over at S.A.C. asking for confirmation on barrel length and thread pitch now that all of the pieces are in. Hoping to have this in hand before the weather gets too cold.
Billy
Just spec'd out paint with Mark today. Black/midnight digital camo on the stock, Cerakote Titanium on the metal bits, with Cerakote Blackout on the accent pieces.
Quite excited to see how that color combo turns out.
Quite excited to see how that color combo turns out.
Mark should bang it out for you pretty fast
Mike R.
Mike R.
Shit, I finally got to the end...
I have three builds done by Mark. He was first class from the first to the last. Newfound respect for him here, though. I decided to have them do a build after a conversation 7 or 8 years ago that started over a TBAC thread protector and this gesture seems to echo the feeling I got from him then.
Never spoken to Mike, but I’d gladly give you my business as well.
Congrats, OP. Anxious to see how this turns out.
I have three builds done by Mark. He was first class from the first to the last. Newfound respect for him here, though. I decided to have them do a build after a conversation 7 or 8 years ago that started over a TBAC thread protector and this gesture seems to echo the feeling I got from him then.
Never spoken to Mike, but I’d gladly give you my business as well.
Congrats, OP. Anxious to see how this turns out.
I am more anxious to find the root cause analysis.
And yes I plowed through the whole or is it hole thread?
And yes I plowed through the whole or is it hole thread?
Action.
Yes Sir we know that.
A little more detail will be necessary for a full explanation.
Kind of like your mechanic telling you the car will not start.
A little more detail will be necessary for a full explanation.
Kind of like your mechanic telling you the car will not start.
Is it still available?Action has been returned to manufacturer and full cost refunded. If Impact would like to dig into it and offer up their opinion/analysis, I'd love to know as well. It was originally sent back to them early in the process of tracking things down and it was returned shortly thereafter with a "within spec" and "shoots great" assessment from what I was told.
Unless that happens, like trying to figure out how many licks it takes to get to the center of a Tootsie Roll pop, the world may never know.
To put it in your terms, the mechanic told me the car would not start and when he called Ford about it, they bought the engine back from him so he could buy a new one from Chevy.
And yes Ford guys .. I did just go there.
Good to know that everyone is getting you going, class acts with Marc and Mike. I imagine this new rifle will hammer. All this talk about 308 rifles and I realized I didn't have anything in 308 anymore. I cruised the px here, and found an AIAX mk1 with a 16.5" 308 bartlien wintac barrel. Snagged it for 3k and got to the range a couple days ago. Typical AI.....
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The internet is full of people with sub 1/2 moa rifles, but I dare you to go to the zero range at a PRS match and count how many groups you see under .5. It’s not many lol.
Honestly if I spend $6-7k on a rifle that shoots .5 I wouldn’t want it. .25 ehhhhhhh that’s always possible .....but in the zeros like Mike @ Tacops has been building is what folks pay for bedsides stellar customer service and a few other things
Ehh, nobody is shooting 0's consistently with a tactical rifle, certainly not with factory ammo. Out of maybe 20 barrels, I've had two that would shoot a 5x5 in the .1's. Most tend to be .2's-.3's, and with factory ammo I haven't had one that was less than .3's. Expecting .2's or better, consistently, with all factory ammo, is setting yourself up for major disappointment.
I've personally shot a Tac Ops rifle. It did not shoot 0's, in fact on average it was barely sub 1/2 moa, and with certain factory ammo it was not even a 1/2 moa rifle, more like barely sub moa. Really awesome build quality, but the accuracy was not any different than I'd expect from anything else.
These are legitimate .1s. One was only a 3x3 but that barrel would go .1s for 5 shots as well. One charge weight on the barrel that shot a .18-.19 average 5x5 was in the high .2s. These were also shot on absolutely perfect days, with cool dry air and zero wind. I feel like it’s absolutely nuts to expect this result day in and day out, much less believe it’s possible with literally every rifle that comes out of a shop, with non hand loaded ammo, non sorted bullets and brass, etc.
Now should they all shoot .5 moa with tuned ammo? Yes. Factory ammo is a bit of a stretch, but yes most should. All bets are off once you start talking .2s. You’re at the mercy of the barrel blank, which is as much about luck as it is anything.
Now should they all shoot .5 moa with tuned ammo? Yes. Factory ammo is a bit of a stretch, but yes most should. All bets are off once you start talking .2s. You’re at the mercy of the barrel blank, which is as much about luck as it is anything.
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No one is shooting in the 0s, on command, with a bipod/rear bag and factory ammo. I dont care who built the rifle. Can a rifle shoot that good, in a machine rest without human error , probably. With human factor, factory ammo and on demand, nope. In the .0s on demand is 6ppc tuned br rig in a Farley coax and 15lb bumble bee bag.....in other words, a long way from a tac rifle off bipod and rear bean bag and factory ammo.
100%. Internet folklore travels quickly lol.
So after making my way thru all of this, and maybe I missed it, but I'm wondering if the original and second barrels were chambered with the same reamer.
That's not up to the OP any longer.
All that presumes that you can shoot in the 1s or better on command.
Such a wonderful story re two builders working together. I had never researched Mike nor his rifles, but once I did, it seems he and his rifles are clearly in a category by themselves...or at least they are to some. As a result, Mike and I talked extensively the other night and I walked away even more impressed. Hopefully, I'll commission Mike to build me one of his Masterpiece rifles one day soon...I do have a Remington action ready to travel to Beverly Hills, but I'll need to sell a couple of .308's first. Great thread.
Most rifles / barrels are not ever capable of 0s and 1s consistently, and even then there is a small and finite window in which the ones that can, will. Not every blank is created equal, and no magic reamer design or other “special process” is going to change that.
