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Re: What is the 'Glock' of .308's?
I don't think the Glock of 308s exists quite yet.
For just reliability, reasonable price, and now, sure: FAL.
But as far as universality/ubiquity (in the USA), I think the LMT is up-and-coming, and that particular AR platform will dominate the market (KAC/DPMS/etc). Also yet to be seen is Colt's new vapor-308.
I just haven't heard of FALs issued with LE, nor seen any significant numbers at gun ranges or gun shows, and the market just doesn't proliferate. DSA dominates, and there just isn't demand for more companies to jump in...as opposed to what Glock has done with the "wonder-nine" revolution.
So I think the answer to your question TBD a few years hence.
I don't think the Glock of 308s exists quite yet.
For just reliability, reasonable price, and now, sure: FAL.
But as far as universality/ubiquity (in the USA), I think the LMT is up-and-coming, and that particular AR platform will dominate the market (KAC/DPMS/etc). Also yet to be seen is Colt's new vapor-308.
I just haven't heard of FALs issued with LE, nor seen any significant numbers at gun ranges or gun shows, and the market just doesn't proliferate. DSA dominates, and there just isn't demand for more companies to jump in...as opposed to what Glock has done with the "wonder-nine" revolution.
So I think the answer to your question TBD a few years hence.
Re: What is the 'Glock' of .308's?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: carbinero</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't think the Glock of 308s exists quite yet.
For just reliability, reasonable price, and now, sure: FAL.
But as far as universality/ubiquity (in the USA), I think the LMT is up-and-coming, and that particular AR platform will dominate the market (KAC/DPMS/etc). Also yet to be seen is Colt's new vapor-308.
I just haven't heard of FALs issued with LE, nor seen any significant numbers at gun ranges or gun shows, and the market just doesn't proliferate. DSA dominates, and there just isn't demand for more companies to jump in...as opposed to what Glock has done with the "wonder-nine" revolution.
So I think the answer to your question TBD a few years hence.</div></div>
Because at the end of the day, there's a far, far, far larger market for a highly-reliable, durable, and customizable $500 handgun than there is for semi-auto .308s. Vanishingly few law enforcement agencies have ever decided to issue semi-auto .308s to patrol officers, and even amongst SWAT teams 5.56 or 9mm will be found to be far more prevalent outside of a sniper role. There are only a few models available (Saiga, CAI's CETME, perhaps CAI's IMBEL FAL) that can come close to the $500 price point, while most of the others run well over $1k, which puts them outside the range that most people will spend. .308 Win/7.62 NATO costs more to shoot, has more recoil, holds fewer rounds, and generally has fewer accessories available to it than .223/5.56. For all of these reasons and more, both the civilian and LE market has shifted towards 5.56. I don't think we'll ever see a single .308 semi that achieves great enough market penetration to be colloquially known as "GLOCK-like" in distribution or popularity.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: carbinero</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't think the Glock of 308s exists quite yet.
For just reliability, reasonable price, and now, sure: FAL.
But as far as universality/ubiquity (in the USA), I think the LMT is up-and-coming, and that particular AR platform will dominate the market (KAC/DPMS/etc). Also yet to be seen is Colt's new vapor-308.
I just haven't heard of FALs issued with LE, nor seen any significant numbers at gun ranges or gun shows, and the market just doesn't proliferate. DSA dominates, and there just isn't demand for more companies to jump in...as opposed to what Glock has done with the "wonder-nine" revolution.
So I think the answer to your question TBD a few years hence.</div></div>
Because at the end of the day, there's a far, far, far larger market for a highly-reliable, durable, and customizable $500 handgun than there is for semi-auto .308s. Vanishingly few law enforcement agencies have ever decided to issue semi-auto .308s to patrol officers, and even amongst SWAT teams 5.56 or 9mm will be found to be far more prevalent outside of a sniper role. There are only a few models available (Saiga, CAI's CETME, perhaps CAI's IMBEL FAL) that can come close to the $500 price point, while most of the others run well over $1k, which puts them outside the range that most people will spend. .308 Win/7.62 NATO costs more to shoot, has more recoil, holds fewer rounds, and generally has fewer accessories available to it than .223/5.56. For all of these reasons and more, both the civilian and LE market has shifted towards 5.56. I don't think we'll ever see a single .308 semi that achieves great enough market penetration to be colloquially known as "GLOCK-like" in distribution or popularity.
Re: What is the 'Glock' of .308's?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 19Scout77</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If they knock $3k off the price, the REPR would fit the bill
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Glock-like reliability.....guess I've been reading the wrong forums on the REPR...and definitely watching the wrong youtube videos....lol.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 19Scout77</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If they knock $3k off the price, the REPR would fit the bill
Glock-like reliability.....guess I've been reading the wrong forums on the REPR...and definitely watching the wrong youtube videos....lol.
Re: What is the 'Glock' of .308's?
My vote would have to be for the LWRC REPR. The M1A does not place on this list for me because of the issues they have with Wolf ammo.
My vote would have to be for the LWRC REPR. The M1A does not place on this list for me because of the issues they have with Wolf ammo.
Re: What is the 'Glock' of .308's?
DPMS AP4. Lots of aftermarket parts for them, easy to scope up.
Accurate.
DPMS AP4. Lots of aftermarket parts for them, easy to scope up.
Accurate.
Re: What is the 'Glock' of .308's?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Scooter-PIE</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 19Scout77</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If they knock $3k off the price, the REPR would fit the bill </div></div>
Glock-like reliability.....guess I've been reading the wrong forums on the REPR...and definitely watching the wrong youtube videos....lol. </div></div>
You should try shooting one! Believe it or not, the interweb sometimes provides misleading information...
I suggest you spend a little time behind one so you will have some firsthand experience on which to base your comments.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Scooter-PIE</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 19Scout77</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If they knock $3k off the price, the REPR would fit the bill
Glock-like reliability.....guess I've been reading the wrong forums on the REPR...and definitely watching the wrong youtube videos....lol. </div></div>
You should try shooting one! Believe it or not, the interweb sometimes provides misleading information...
I suggest you spend a little time behind one so you will have some firsthand experience on which to base your comments.
Re: What is the 'Glock' of .308's?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 19Scout77</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Scooter-PIE</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 19Scout77</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If they knock $3k off the price, the REPR would fit the bill </div></div>
Glock-like reliability.....guess I've been reading the wrong forums on the REPR...and definitely watching the wrong youtube videos....lol. </div></div>
You should try shooting one! Believe it or not, the interweb sometimes provides misleading information...
I suggest you spend a little time behind one so you will have some firsthand experience on which to base your comments. </div></div>
Whatever...you need thousands of first-hand experiences, millions of rounds down-range, and ten or more years of uber-reliable performance before you could even begin to compare a weapon's reliability to the amazing Glock. It's a joke to compare any new weapon to a pistol that has proven so reliable and safe over .....decades.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 19Scout77</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Scooter-PIE</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 19Scout77</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If they knock $3k off the price, the REPR would fit the bill
Glock-like reliability.....guess I've been reading the wrong forums on the REPR...and definitely watching the wrong youtube videos....lol. </div></div>
You should try shooting one! Believe it or not, the interweb sometimes provides misleading information...
I suggest you spend a little time behind one so you will have some firsthand experience on which to base your comments. </div></div>
Whatever...you need thousands of first-hand experiences, millions of rounds down-range, and ten or more years of uber-reliable performance before you could even begin to compare a weapon's reliability to the amazing Glock. It's a joke to compare any new weapon to a pistol that has proven so reliable and safe over .....decades.
Re: What is the 'Glock' of .308's?
Glock's suck get a 1911
joke's
Glock's suck get a 1911
joke's
Re: What is the 'Glock' of .308's?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Scooter-PIE</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It's a joke to compare any new weapon to a pistol that has proven so reliable and safe over .....decades.
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Agreed, hence the .
My latter point was simply that the stories of the REPR's problems are greatly exaggerated and the product of internet BS---and your referencing such stories in an effort to establish a lack of reliability is a tad short-sighted. Clearly any effort to compare a brand new $4k weapon, with all of a couple thousand produced, to a decades old $300 well vetted pistol was meant to be taken with a grain of salt.
If you recall, according to the un-informed, the Glock started out as a metal-detector defeating plastic terrorist weapon.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Scooter-PIE</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It's a joke to compare any new weapon to a pistol that has proven so reliable and safe over .....decades.
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Agreed, hence the
My latter point was simply that the stories of the REPR's problems are greatly exaggerated and the product of internet BS---and your referencing such stories in an effort to establish a lack of reliability is a tad short-sighted. Clearly any effort to compare a brand new $4k weapon, with all of a couple thousand produced, to a decades old $300 well vetted pistol was meant to be taken with a grain of salt.
If you recall, according to the un-informed, the Glock started out as a metal-detector defeating plastic terrorist weapon.
Re: What is the 'Glock' of .308's?
Well if you're comparing Glock, I'd think of something affordable, sold widely, and utterly reliable. I'd have to say a Remington 700, maybe an SPS Tactical.
Well if you're comparing Glock, I'd think of something affordable, sold widely, and utterly reliable. I'd have to say a Remington 700, maybe an SPS Tactical.
Re: What is the 'Glock' of .308's?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TrooperBrian</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well if you're comparing Glock, I'd think of something affordable, sold widely, and utterly reliable. I'd have to say a Remington 700, maybe an SPS Tactical. </div></div>
With that definition one would have to look to the FAL or AK on the world wide market.
Pat
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TrooperBrian</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well if you're comparing Glock, I'd think of something affordable, sold widely, and utterly reliable. I'd have to say a Remington 700, maybe an SPS Tactical. </div></div>
With that definition one would have to look to the FAL or AK on the world wide market.
Pat
Re: What is the 'Glock' of .308's?
Id say G3.
Id say G3.
Re: What is the 'Glock' of .308's?
I would say a 700P, but a 700P isn't ugly and uncomfortable...
Savage 10FP maybe?
In it's stock off the shelf configuration, the stock is horrible feeling, it's not real comfortable, but it's reliable and accurate.
I would say a 700P, but a 700P isn't ugly and uncomfortable...
Savage 10FP maybe?
In it's stock off the shelf configuration, the stock is horrible feeling, it's not real comfortable, but it's reliable and accurate.
