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If you can weld, you can find just about any big shop hiring and the starting pay is going to be minimum $20/hr. Every big weld shop I see has a hiring sign on it. If I hire a guy to help me for the day I got off dirt cheap at $200 for the day.
Honestly if you can’t find a job making $20+ per hour right now you are a hopeless person. Literally the wait staff at every restaurant around here is starting people at stupid money. A/C Company my brother works for has delivery van drivers starting at $20/hr. Every cashier in the metro is making $15/hr
Honesty this sounds like a you problem.
Honestly if you can’t find a job making $20+ per hour right now you are a hopeless person. Literally the wait staff at every restaurant around here is starting people at stupid money. A/C Company my brother works for has delivery van drivers starting at $20/hr. Every cashier in the metro is making $15/hr
Honesty this sounds like a you problem.
Lol you took a job collecting money for event parking thinking it was gonna solve your problems? No wonder you didn't cut it as a welder.
I don't know what you have against Cowpokey, but leave me out of it. The only point I was trying to make about employees being commodities has been understood by anyone who has worked in manufacturing or chain stores for any length of time. I have no dog in whatever pissing match is going on here, so I'll leave you with some tips since I'm also currently changing jobs. See if you can learn something here with my story:
Even though I didn't like my last job very well, I didn't just walk out on it. I got an offer someplace else that does the same type of work and uses the same machinery that I currently run, set up, and maintain. They offered me the same pay I was making at the job I was at, but this new company has better benefits and more upward mobility. So like a good employee, I put my two weeks in. And of course, since nobody at my former place of employment wants to do the work I have been doing for the past few years, they offered me top pay for the position I was at. Now since that place treats employees as numbers and gives out only 3% raises each year, I'm not hanging around. If I had accepted top pay offer, then there would be no more raises and I would be stuck doing the same old shit I have been doing for the past nine years with no hope of doing anything else. Now if former company would have been more fair with pay over the years I was there, I wouldn't have considered leaving. Hopefully that company learns a lesson with my departure, because my last couple days there, other employees were threatening to leave so they don't have to do the jobs I was doing. Anyway, back on track, the take away here is learn to use any skills you gain at whatever you're doing and use those skills as a spring board. Learn not to settle for a "job" and seek out better opportunities. Right now is probably the best time anyone is going to have to get a job they probably wouldn't get in a normal labor pool. Take advantage of other peoples laziness, don't just sit here and complain.
Very much agree with this. I think its important to identify why they gave up in the first place, as opposed to other generations. I am barely too old to be a millennial, but the following was my experience:
Millenials (and myself) had smoke blown up their ass their whole lives that, if they got any college education, the day they got the degree they'd have companies throwing jobs at them for tons of money and they'd be set for life. So they go to college and one of the following happens:
1. They got a shit degree, then get out and find out that its worthless because there aren't any jobs in that field. So they quit.
2. They got a degree, found the job for which they were trained, and discovered the starting pay wouldn't even cover a mortgage. So they quit.
3. They got the degree, found the job with decent pay, but couldn't handle the stress of actually having responsibility. So they quit.
4. Both 2 and 3.
At the same time as all the smoke was being blown about "careers", what makes millennials different is they grew up with NO IDEA how to handle adversity. NONE. Nobody fails. Everyone gets a trophy. The world revolves around "me." They grew up on social media, which is a giant pile of "Look at me, I'm great!" "Look what I'm eating right now!" "Look how virtuously I can signal!"
And then the real world slams them in the face with the truth.....you aren't special until you've done something to deserve it. You get paid not what you are worth, but what you negotiate. You are replaceable until you've made yourself irreplaceable with hard work and skills. So, instead of being on top of the mountain by getting a college degree, they discover that they are still at the bottom. They thought the degree was a helicopter ticket, when in reality it was a trail pass, for a rocky steep trail.
Because the world revolves around them and they have never failed, they can't handle that. So they quit.
My wife falls into case #1. Has never used her degree for one day. Myself was case #2. I discovered the pay for my career wasn't what I expected for my life, and I was disappointed. I had totally swallowed the promises of "Get a degree and everything is instantly taken care of." So I quit, but not to check out. I came from a self-employed family and understood business, hard work, and value. I wasn't afraid of adversity. The world never revolved around me, never had social media growing up. I quit to start my own business and control my own destiny.
I firmly believe the millenial generation is the fruit of social media-fed narcissism mixed with everyone gets a trophy and college is a golden ticket.
I'm trying to fix my landscaping after a major storm took down two 60 ft trees and ripped up my yard. Short of the tree "rescue" guys, I can't anyone to work for a reasonable rate. They all want to estimate the job by me taking pictures and sending to them and walk through the areas that need work with the video on (my wife thinks they don't have cars). Then a three day to a week wait until..."I'll do that job for $80 an hour, times three for my crew. We only work Saturdays. You pay for all fuel, disposal runs, and any extra tools we need. So, I'm doing it my self so far. The jackass that was supposed to repair 21 feet of redwood fencing wanted $1800 upfront and couldn't promise he get it done on the weekend. Called the night before and said he'd come get the money but couldn't start work until the next weekend. I'm 62 and fat. I don't need this shit but I went out and bought the material and did it all in one day for less than 500. (Yes, I was in the meds after the job was done and didn't walk for two days but I'm sure that was from the wife's cooking and nothing else.) Now I just have piles of extra dirt every where that needs to be put in a trailer and hauled away. Basic MOS 1D10T shovel operator work. I've had three crews come out and no one will touch it for less than $40 an hour plus fuel. They stand in my yard with their iced Faggachinos, vape boxes, and fresh full sleeve tattoos, telling me how bad they need the work. I wish I had just a little insight in to what is going on in the job world. Don't the parasites have to eat, buy Faggachinos, buy their vape shit? On top of rent and Gru-hub, they have to need the money at some point. And this is semi rural northern Nevada. I expected the world supply of high school seniors to call and do this for car money. Nope, everyone is a 20-something who likes to call me dude. Seriously, WTF?
I didn’t read all the posts on this thread, didn’t really need to. I do agree with what a lot of guys said about increasing your station in life. Good on you for continuing to work and not suck on the .gov tit, tip of the hat sir.
That said, I firmly believe everybody needs a marketable skill/trade that pays better than $18 hourly. Not shitting on you, seriously. There’s a lot of trades you can get into that will take care of and provide for your family and their futures. Trades that don’t take a college degree or a shit load of time to see come to fruition, apprenticeships and such (people always need electricity and a shitter!). It’s not easy, but completely doable.
Fwiw, I’m in the same age bracket as you and travel weekly for work, all across the US. As far as the employee shortages are concerned, my observation has been that those are mostly entry level positions, skilled positions also have lots of opportunities as well and the job market is booming. A friend of mine is a paralegal and just wrote her own ticket for a firm in Seattle.
Fuck that new age shit. I am the patriarchy. I worked 7 days a week, 12 hours a day for a year and started my own business when I was 25. Haven't been anything but the don since (although like any business owner, I have never felt like the don. More like janitor/director.)
Not piling on you (not that I think others shouldn't as this is the pit), this comment reminds me of some very good words...
Never turn a hobby into a living.
Sometimes you do things you don’t like for little money and get told to do things you like even less for a little more money. Eventually you’re responsible for some turds below you with zero desire to Do The Job they signed up for. But you you keep after it cause you got kids and they got needs.
Then suddenly you got 40 years in and and hopefully those you love have a better life AND are doing the same for those they love. Idk, boomer(younger) talk.
oh man you must be so rich. I wish i could make money like you. What does the inside of a vagina feel like?
You're looking in the wrong places for jobs. Get your ass out of those fancy skyscraper downtown building and leave those for the younger guy working through college or coming out of college. Get yourself a job in industrial construction and you'll putting in 50 to 84 hours a week. And you'll likely get started at where those other jobs you were looking at were topping out on the per hour rate.
What is it that you all think im crying about when i said I was happy to take a part time job at the pay they were offering so i could have free time to raise a kid but was only disappointed to find out they werent gonna have hardly any hours available to work?
everyone alot of you are comparing me to sounds like a worthless asshole that thinks they should earn more and work less. I signed up for the wage, all I wanted was for them to give me the fuckin work hours.
And on that note, maybe it does have alot to do with lazy douchebags, but the jobs would probably have alot better time finding people if they would be accurately representing the position they are hiring for instead of promising thw moon and delivering a moonpie.
Out of the blue, you quit your job to be a stay at home dad.... Do you have a money tree in the backyard, or is the wife working the pole? I'd like to help you out financially. Does your family have an onlyfans account? I'd gladly pay $20 a month to see some ping pong balls fly across your bedroom. People don't think jobs be like it be, but it do..... but it do!
Welders, just like everybody else, only learn the basics in school. Theres only so much you can learn in a classroom, skill sets are built on the job.
Why do you think most apprenticeships last 4 years on average?
As for your last comment, those with the least experience always start out at the bottom doing the crappiest jobs for the least pay.
I learned the basics of welding in vocational school.
Went to technical college after that and earned an Associate's degree in industrail maintenance, which included more welding classes consisting of the same thing i learned in voc.
Served a 4 1/2 year apprenticeship with the Millwrights after that.
All that adds up to about 8 years altogether, then i was considered a skilled craftsman and became eligible for top money and the better jobs.
I ended up working 34 years in the trades, the last 20 of it running my own metal fab/ heavy equipment repair business.
Retired in Feb. 2019 at age 51.
Thats how it is in the real world cupcake, you start out at the bottom and work your way up....
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Actually no because I'm an adult and make adult decisions. You definitely didn't think that move through but hey, you get sell all that shit you bought at wholesale to pay for family stuff now
Far from rich. Infact on the hide I'm more of a poor. But I did start at an entry position, made shit money and worked long hours, learned a lot and moved up in life. Now I have a job I honestly enjoy that pays all my bills and takes care of my family. You get out what you put in. The job market is strange right now
1. people can get paid $15 an hour or more to dona job that takes no skill or brain power what so ever.
2. People think $15 an hour to do that same job isn't enough. It's wild.
My advice would be get your self a fresh hair cut, get some nice looking clothes from kohl's or somewhere and go be a salesman somewhere That pays you commission. Maybe you can bat your eyes at an elderly couple enough to sell them something and make some money.
Theres a guy, a grown man, who stands in front of the local grocery store with a sign 'Family, please help". He used to have his young children out with him, even in the ice and snow, until I called social services on him. What gets me is that 20 feet away there is a sign on the door saying "Help wanted, $15 to start for baggers."
It takes all I can muster not to go over and have a 'conversation' with him. I hate parasites.
It takes all I can muster not to go over and have a 'conversation' with him. I hate parasites.
Im slingin dick on a smokin hot cam girl fool.
Great to see ive created another echo chamber for forum skells to take things out of context and project their insecurities upon me.
It sounds like you just told me all that to make yourself feel better. Cupcake.
No, i was stating the bleeding obvious... you're nothing but an lazy entitled prick that thinks the world owes you a living.
I guess my question is what is your number? What is your ideal situation? If your cam girl baby momma, who for some reason let you inside her, isn't making enough to support your vape addiction and feed your crotch goblin.
What is your ideal way out of your predicament?
What is your ideal way out of your predicament?
Another "been there and done that" for me. I was the guy on the right.
His wasnt really advice, i never asked for career advice. More inquiring about where all the bogus is originating ie. What @TheGerman said.Comes here looking for advice. Cant handle it. Gets defensive..
Everyone else just came to dispell their preconceived notions about how everyone born after 1992 are all "jobless democratic socialists" who dont know what a savings account is.
Its absurd how self righteous adults can create such a rift between otherwise like minded people.
I dont have a real predicament because I understand the concept of saving money, but if i did have a predicament i sure as fuck wouldnt come here to ask any of you guys about it after reading what most of you had to say.
Did none of you guys read my OP? why is everyone hiring when it sounds like most of the places out there dont ACTUALLY need, or even want the type of people available as bad as they say they do? The job market is not just millennial douchebags. Its all age groups over 18 and there are plenty of geezers out there unemployed for some reason too.
Did i say anybody owes me anything besides the hours i was promised i could put in work?
Seems like you got things figured out for yourself. Go shit on someone elses thread.
Its a shame how relatable this is. No matter how much the pay is not many jobs are genuinely rewarding anymore where its more about just being proud of what you do. Working at the gun store was, for a time at least. Until my store went along with the price gouging that was going on everywhere and they left it to the guys up front to have to explain it away to the customers somwhow.
Most general unskilled labor really is just cog in the machine type shit. At the gun store i genuinely loved being an armorer and decking peoples rifles out, but then they took that service away too because of the pandemic since the store was flooded with customers 7 days a week 2 years in a row.
I dodnt understand a lot of the current situation.
Personally, I love to work. I prefer physical labor as at the end of the day I can see what Ive accomplished...and it makes you sleep well.
Personally, I love to work. I prefer physical labor as at the end of the day I can see what Ive accomplished...and it makes you sleep well.
This all makes sense now. So you’re telling me that you passed up on opportunities within the trades to work retail, then get discounts, then spend your paycheck on the stuff you can’t afford, then quit to stay home, and now the job market has you frustrated.
Sounds like you need to have a look in the mirror and do some soul searching. While going to college, I did some work on the side for a dude who ran a 2 man operation doing data network installation. The owner also does metal fabrication/welding projects as additional income. He does very well for himself. So much that he has multiple prop planes in his hangar.
Moral of the story, stop acting like a victim. If you can’t see past that, then you’ll forever be in this position.
Have you (OP) ever stopped to consider its not the "whole job market" but rather just the types you applied for? From your posts, it sounds as if the jobs you applied for fit a profile.
I'm glad you chose to be a stay at home dad relying on someone else to earn money to support you.
I'm glad you chose to be a stay at home dad relying on someone else to earn money to support you.
You are a grown ass man with a skill you paid to be taught. But you are looking for a part time job parking cars. For fucks sake, get off your ass and ho make big boy money. Leave everyone else out of this, this is about you.
Here's a golden nugget of truth....
1. Employees are far more expensive than it might seem. Between FICA taxes, SUTA, FUTA, workers comp, health insurance, retirement matching, paid vacation and so on and so forth, it adds up. Your take home pay is just a fraction of the cost of carrying an employee. Hiring and training an employee is always a bit of a gamble. By the time they get into the swing of things, there's a high probability that they're going leave for greener pastures in short order. People don't stay with one company very long anymore, and if you're looking for entry level jobs you can expect shit pay. It comes with the territory. Everyone likes to think they're worth a six figure paycheck. Few actually are, especially in a day and age where there's an unlimited supply of Philippinos willing to do the same work for pennies on the dollar without benefits.
2. The statistics you read about half of all businesses failing within two years and 80% failing within five years are complete and utter bullshit. I believed that crap too until I got into public accounting. In my personal experience, less than 25% actually fail and you can see the failures coming from a mile away. If you're of average intelligence ad have a decent work ethic, you're far better working for yourself in the long run. Play your cards right and you might even build a little equity along the way.
You want to make good money? Work for yourself. Need benefits for the little one? Fine, but ALWAYS KEEP A SIDE HUSTLE. If you're going to take a shit job, take one you can learn from and consider this education your primary form of compensation. Leverage that education to start your own thing and hang on for dear life until you see the fruits of your labor.
You know what, your right. Really. I dont know what the fuck I was thinking coming on here to ask a bunch of individuals who are clearly over qualified to be talking to anyone like me about a generalized question concerning the economy.
Guess i really stepped outa line asking my new employer for some extra hours huh? How about, for my reparations to all you guys i must've offended so much, ill donate this thread to you so you can say whatever you want about how much of a failure i am. And lump everyone else whos roughly 30 years old in their with me since were all a bunch of lazy do nothing shit stains.
AND, I wont read any of it! Oh wow sounds great right. You guys must be really miserable. Seriously, you have to really hate youself deep down to make it a priority to burn randos online who dont fit into your worldview.
Have fun assholes.
Go find a safe space and cry. You just proved many peoples pounts
Cant speak for everyone, but I'm far from miserable.
Im too busy enjoying the good life i worked for all those years.
Go be a snowflake somewhere else.
Bye Felicia...
lol, you gotta have a thick hide here, and that is a fact.
i think your apparent sensitivity to off the cuff forum criticism from complete strangers is connected to the reason you are dissatisfied with every job you have or are offered.
while i was sympathetic at first, i am beginning to agree that you just need to man up, put your big boy pants on, and realize that life isn't gravy.
if you like welding, take a crap job while you get experience and more training (for better jobs). that is how it works.
fuck. i started in IT at a helpdesk.
the forum members know i have zero patience, and i didn't walk off the job because i had to talk to retards for 8 hours a day.
if i could get by with a job at a gun store, i wouldn't give a shit how many times i had to tell folks "no fucking 9mm or 6.5 manbun yet".
Inflation and cost of living have gone through the roof and wages are still flat. Greed, endlessly printing money, open borders, it will take 3-4 generations to fix the mess that boomers have caused.
Not to throw more gas on this bonfire, but before I went to college I looked up the future estimated career demands and salary averages. Not sure how you get caught off guard on that.
On the other hand, I just quit a job paying $220K+Benefits because the CEO swapped out all management with his buddies who are idiots, and besides driving a $170M project into total chaos, it has now burned over $400M and climbing and any worker with any competency has already quit. They did manage to form a new diversity, equity and inclusion department, so I guess not a total waste. A man has to know his limits.
On the other hand, I just quit a job paying $220K+Benefits because the CEO swapped out all management with his buddies who are idiots, and besides driving a $170M project into total chaos, it has now burned over $400M and climbing and any worker with any competency has already quit. They did manage to form a new diversity, equity and inclusion department, so I guess not a total waste. A man has to know his limits.
You missed the point, but it's not your fault. I hoped my reply would be easy to understand, but we still don't have a sarcasm font on SH; I blame Frank.
$15 minimum wage is bullshit but also the law here in kali. It is what the part time high school kids start at. We’ve got 5 of em working after school and weekends at the shop. Happy to train welders, most bail for a buck in a few years but the ones that stick around make good money. Not just welders either. Assembly guys and painters are all doing well. I’m a millennial and I started this job when I was 17, thought I was God’s gift to welding after high school shop classes. Obviously I didn’t know shit but now I’m the guy giving the interviews. Start at the bottom and work.
The answer to your question is that most people under 40 don’t really want to work to get ahead. They’re happy living off what they get from the gov and just finding a job that allows them to live paycheck to paycheck and play as much frisbee golf as they want. They hate the idea of overtime. You’ll never get a bigger raise than when that time and a half kicks in. The way the gov taxes overtime/performance bonuses is bullshit but a different convo.
The answer to your question is that most people under 40 don’t really want to work to get ahead. They’re happy living off what they get from the gov and just finding a job that allows them to live paycheck to paycheck and play as much frisbee golf as they want. They hate the idea of overtime. You’ll never get a bigger raise than when that time and a half kicks in. The way the gov taxes overtime/performance bonuses is bullshit but a different convo.
This article sums up much of what's been said here. Not optimistic about the future with Gen M/Z coming along.
www.vox.com
Gen Z does not dream of labor
On TikTok and online, the youngest workers are rejecting work as we know it. How will that play out IRL?
www.vox.com I don't get time and a half, I get straight pay for overtime...and the gov takes 41% of that off the top, same with a bonus. It's bullshit.
Do the world a favor; DO NOT bring anymore children into the world...we can't afford to feed you, let alone any extra ankle biters you spawn.
When is someone going to tell him to join the military?
Don’t lump me in with you. 28 and have a successful welding business. I started working at 14 for free for experience. Well the owner did give me a $100 visa gift card every month.
I’ll give you an profound moment I had at around 17/18 that changed my way of thinking. Was roughly 2013, making $13/hr which was damn good money for my age and the time. Was working for a flight school fueling airplanes, general facility maintenance, working on the planes when someone wanted to teach me something. Anyway they had a small lawn that needed to be kept mowed. I hated mowing with a passion. Anyway I’m pushing the shitty ass mower bitching and moaning to myself thinking I’m not getting paid enough to be mowing this stupid lawn. Exactly after thinking that I had a moment of clarity and realized I was getting paid double what it was worth at the time to be cutting that lawn. That moment changed how I thought about that job and my general outlook on work forever. That job paid me damn good money to learn so much as growing kid.
Anyway now a decade later I bill $450 for the first hour and $150/hr after that. Bid work is even better which healthy profit margins.
When my wife gave us our 2 kids there was no daddy stays home for 2 months bs. Mom stays home, you go work and pay for it. Somebody has to provide for those 2 kids unless momma is selling subscriptions to her titty pics.
I think I netted close to 10k last week. I really don’t love welding either. But when you make $3k in 2 days crawling around in a trash truck you suck it up.
Next weekend I’m driving 3hrs to Austin doing 3 hours of work, and driving back, total bill is $3250 iirc.
I’m honestly not trying to flex or yada yada, but just show you that there is damn good money to be made if you are above average intelligence and work ethic. If you can weld and aren’t making good money that is 100% your own fault. Don’t come bitching to anyone but the bathroom mirror
Moral of the story, stop bitching, get off your stay at home dad ass, and go earn some damn money. It’s literally ripe for the picking hanging off every tree right now. Now you do have to go fetch the ladder that’s across the field to pick it but I guess that’s too hard for most.
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