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Create a channel Learn moreAlways jobs at sea..My nephew is actually doing quite well now; I guess that was the kick in the ass he finally needed. He has gotten his 100 ton captain's license out in San Diego, and working more than he sleeps.
Oh how I could break this apart and explain it to you...but I doubt you'd ever understand.
I don't know what you have against Cowpokey, but leave me out of it. The only point I was trying to make about employees being commodities has been understood by anyone who has worked in manufacturing or chain stores for any length of time. I have no dog in whatever pissing match is going on here, so I'll leave you with some tips since I'm also currently changing jobs. See if you can learn something here with my story:Oh no dont say that people shouldnt want to be treated like commodities, @Cowpokey thinks everyone who says that is just a whiner who cant get their shit together.
Very much agree with this. I think its important to identify why they gave up in the first place, as opposed to other generations. I am barely too old to be a millennial, but the following was my experience:The wife and I have talked about this as length. We came up with what I think is the answer a while back and it checks out the more I talk to people who own a business as well as people who are working their normal job that they 'survived' through all the covid bullshit with. They all say very similar things.
It's the beginning of what we call "The Great Millenial Give Up".
Where are all of the employees when there are 1000 'help wanted' ads up literally everywhere? They fucking gave up. Not in a sense that they gave up because the odds were against them, but in a sense that they generally made bad life decisions and really got nowhere in life, didn't have or want to have what it took to actually succeed and came to the honest realization that this was true.
This coincided with a 'pandemic' that gave them not only an excuse, but a mandate to stay at home and do literally nothing and receive as much, or more income than they received based on their worth to society, which usually wasn't much. The 'safe spaces' and social justice bullshit took a backseat to sitting at home in your underwear, getting high, playing XBOX and having the .gov paying you to do it all with no real end in sight.
Days turned to weeks. Weeks to months. Months to basically 2 years of this. This was long enough for them to 'adapt' to a sedentary, isolationist lifestyle where the entire free market system basically ceased to exist to them. Why? They don't 'need' it and they don't want to deal with it again because all it meant to them was bullshit work, low wages and made up shit like the reason that they fail so bad is because whyd peopo or some dumb shit.
This was the first shoe to drop. Basically taking them out of our society as producers in any degree and making them subsidized consumers. Divorcing them from society was very easy as society really never gave them anything and they were easily done with it.
Then came the market adjustments due to the fake pandemic, inflation and supply shortages. Target where I live has been openly advertising that they are paying $25/hour for positions I could do if I was blackout drunk. Local restaurants and business are all offering a ridiculous starting wage that literally NOONE deserves working there. So will they all come back and get a fucking job; because remember the whole push to $15/hour and that would fix everything? Of fucking course not.
The mentality is this. They have separated themselves from basically the outside world. They also continue to make horrible life decisions. They don't really need a car or want car insurance because they'll just Uber it. They don't want health insurance because why? Going to work costs gas, is inconvenient and a primary trigger for their made up mental disorders. They happily defeat themselves into living in their parents/uncles/friends basement or that extra room in the house that they basically never leave. Give them wifi to overspend on DoorDash 2-3x a day and to get on Instagram, they are GTG.
Plan B is to work a 'gig' job at Target making 25/hr until they have enough money for the rent their parents have been bugging them about or that trip they want to go on. Then they quit and file unemployment again. Rinse/repeat.
I have 2 friends who own trade businesses that can't find employees and are backlogged until basically forever. They say they constantly have people calling them about a job who have 0 experience, couldn't pass a drug test if there was a 10k bonus for doing so and didn't leave you with a question as to if they are not totally fucking retarded after a phone call. Oh, they all want $35/hr+ or its just not 'worth it' to them; I'm sure their resumes consist of jobs at a convenience store, jail, and 14 different jobs over 18 months.
They are completely divorced from reality and society. There is a large segment of them out there who are back to being children living at home and actually have 'my parents inheritance' as a future plan on how to subsist.
The problem for them is, within a year or so all of the benefits are gone and all of that 'oh you can stay here' is going to come due. People will NEED to go back to doing something and by that time they'll all be standing there with the same poor look on their face when they realize that 25/hr job is not back to $9.
And no one will care.
I didn’t read all the posts on this thread, didn’t really need to. I do agree with what a lot of guys said about increasing your station in life. Good on you for continuing to work and not suck on the .gov tit, tip of the hat sir.Well this may be partially true, but I think it may be skewed this way where you live, especially if youre in a major city.
Where are you that Target is paying $25 an hour? that $10 more than the Targets around me are paying and they are desperate too, or so it seems.
Im actually in the tail end of the millenial generation, but ive been working for the entirety of the pandemic and only recently quit my job due to entirely unrelated reasons (well not ENTIRELY, if you read my first paragraph).
But anyways, the other problem I see with this theory is its not just young people, I know of guys that are in their 60s that lost their jobs when the pandemic initially hit and were out of work for a while for that reason or because they were actually sick with long term corona, and now that they are trying to go back to work, despite the "Booming Job market" they cant get hired, which seems very strange to me.
I think part of your theory is accurate, but it seems like there are many extenuating circumstances that are unforseen and they all vary from state to state.
I was happy to have a part time job that payed $18 an hour so I could have time to raise my child and not put her in day care, but 7-12 hours a week REALLY is not worth it with gas now. When I was thinking part time, I wanted 20-30 hours a week. I never complained about the pay, I wanted the hours.
Needless to say, yes im a millenial and Im frustrated. But I have not collected unemployment ever and I didnt even get the entirety of the stimulus package share I was supposed to based on my income. So, with that said, I still dont know WTF is going on.
Fuck that new age shit. I am the patriarchy. I worked 7 days a week, 12 hours a day for a year and started my own business when I was 25. Haven't been anything but the don since (although like any business owner, I have never felt like the don. More like janitor/director.)Damn you [insert patriarchy, white supremacy, bullshit here].
Not piling on you (not that I think others shouldn't as this is the pit), this comment reminds me of some very good words...I went to work at an LGS for the love of the hobby. When you work for a big store, the good ones usually let you buy retail stuff at wholesale price just for working there and thats pretty hard to pass up. That should be pretty easy to understand, were on a gun forum for god sakes lol.
Sometimes you do things you don’t like for little money and get told to do things you like even less for a little more money. Eventually you’re responsible for some turds below you with zero desire to Do The Job they signed up for. But you you keep after it cause you got kids and they got needs.When I was a kid I walked 5 miles in the snow uphill both ways just to be able to pay someone for the opportunity to work
There are some generations out there today that don't get it (I can't name their generation, nor do I care, but I see them) starting at the bottom is a real thing. Doing things you don't like to build up to doing the things you like.
I exaggerate a bit, it was only uphill one way. I will leave you with this, when I was young, I worked for FREE to learn skills.
It was well worth it
oh man you must be so rich. I wish i could make money like you. What does the inside of a vagina feel like?Lol you took a job collecting money for event parking thinking it was gonna solve your problems? No wonder you didn't cut it as a welder.
What is it that you all think im crying about when i said I was happy to take a part time job at the pay they were offering so i could have free time to raise a kid but was only disappointed to find out they werent gonna have hardly any hours available to work?If you have a degree in welding use it. The whole more school bullshit doesn’t hold water. I’ve been welding for the better part of 20 years, never stepped foot in a school. You need the drive and grit to get your start, acquire a larger skill set, and advance. Yeah I made a shit wage when I started, I also worked 60-90 hours a week to offset it. You aren’t going to make top dollar just breaking out. My trade has provided many years of six figure salaries. Get off your ass and go and get it. Quit fuckin cryin around. There’s no pussies in the hall of fame.
You are going on the same assumption that everyone does when they hear someone admit they are a millenial. Are you another boomer that just likes to shit on millenials?
Those particular contract jobs didnt have anyone that stuck around. Good welders go to school for longer than average ones do. That is a fact, not a generational thing. I only got sent in for very basic welding certs, not the crazy multi million dollar under water welding project. And no, thats not because "those meanys wouldnt let me in their program", it was because I honestly lost interest in the trade as a whole. The truth is the most jobs that you qualify for with basic welding training pay shitty.
Actually no because I'm an adult and make adult decisions. You definitely didn't think that move through but hey, you get sell all that shit you bought at wholesale to pay for family stuff nowI went to work at an LGS for the love of the hobby. When you work for a big store, the good ones usually let you buy retail stuff at wholesale price just for working there and thats pretty hard to pass up. That should be pretty easy to understand, were on a gun forum for god sakes lol.
yeah we got off topic for a sec but this was what I was getting at originally. Like all these jobs need people RIGHT NOW on indeed but theyre these shitty little consulting firms or some bullshit that Ive never heard of before, or places like the ones i described in my first post
Far from rich. Infact on the hide I'm more of a poor. But I did start at an entry position, made shit money and worked long hours, learned a lot and moved up in life. Now I have a job I honestly enjoy that pays all my bills and takes care of my family. You get out what you put in. The job market is strange right nowoh man you must be so rich. I wish i could make money like you. What does the inside of a vagina feel like?
Im slingin dick on a smokin hot cam girl fool.Out of the blue, you quit your job to be a stay at home dad.... Do you have a money tree in the backyard, or is the wife working the pole? I'd like to help you out financially. Does your family have an onlyfans account? I'd gladly pay $20 a month to see some ping pong balls fly across your bedroom. People don't think jobs be like it be, but it do..... but it do!
It sounds like you just told me all that to make yourself feel better. Cupcake.View attachment 7855224Typical BS millenial mentality, go to school just long enough to learn enough to be dangerous then expect an employer to start you out at the top earning top pay.
Welders, just like everybody else, only learn the basics in school. Theres only so much you can learn in a classroom, skill sets are built on the job.
Why do you think most apprenticeships last 4 years on average?
As for your last comment, those with the least experience always start out at the bottom doing the crappiest jobs for the least pay.
I learned the basics of welding in vocational school.
Went to technical college after that and earned an Associate's degree in industrail maintenance, which included more welding classes consisting of the same thing i learned in voc.
Served a 4 1/2 year apprenticeship with the Millwrights after that.
All that adds up to about 8 years altogether, then i was considered a skilled craftsman and became eligible for top money and the better jobs.
I ended up working 34 years in the trades, the last 20 of it running my own metal fab/ heavy equipment repair business.
Retired in Feb. 2019 at age 51.
Thats how it is in the real world cupcake, you start out at the bottom and work your way up....
No, i was stating the bleeding obvious... you're nothing but an lazy entitled prick that thinks the world owes you a living.It sounds like you just told me all that to make yourself feel better. Cupcake.
Comes here looking for advice. Cant handle it. Gets defensive..It sounds like you just told me all that to make yourself feel better. Cupcake.
Another "been there and done that" for me. I was the guy on the right.
His wasnt really advice, i never asked for career advice. More inquiring about where all the bogus is originating ie. What @TheGerman said.Comes here looking for advice. Cant handle it. Gets defensive..
I dont have a real predicament because I understand the concept of saving money, but if i did have a predicament i sure as fuck wouldnt come here to ask any of you guys about it after reading what most of you had to say.I guess my question is what is your number? What is your ideal situation? If your cam girl baby momma, who for some reason let you inside her, isn't making enough to support your vape addiction and feed your crotch goblin.
What is your ideal way out of your predicament?
Did i say anybody owes me anything besides the hours i was promised i could put in work?No, i was stating the bleeding obvious... you're nothing but an lazy entitled prick that thinks the world owes you a living.
Its a shame how relatable this is. No matter how much the pay is not many jobs are genuinely rewarding anymore where its more about just being proud of what you do. Working at the gun store was, for a time at least. Until my store went along with the price gouging that was going on everywhere and they left it to the guys up front to have to explain it away to the customers somwhow.There was an old saying.... Arbeit Macht Frei
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With that I can agree.Its absurd how self righteous adults can create such a rift between otherwise like minded people.
I went to work at an LGS for the love of the hobby. When you work for a big store, the good ones usually let you buy retail stuff at wholesale price just for working there and thats pretty hard to pass up. That should be pretty easy to understand, were on a gun forum for god sakes lol.
yeah we got off topic for a sec but this was what I was getting at originally. Like all these jobs need people RIGHT NOW on indeed but theyre these shitty little consulting firms or some bullshit that Ive never heard of before, or places like the ones i described in my first post
You are a grown ass man with a skill you paid to be taught. But you are looking for a part time job parking cars. For fucks sake, get off your ass and ho make big boy money. Leave everyone else out of this, this is about you.What is it that you all think im crying about when i said I was happy to take a part time job at the pay they were offering so i could have free time to raise a kid but was only disappointed to find out they werent gonna have hardly any hours available to work?
everyone alot of you are comparing me to sounds like a worthless asshole that thinks they should earn more and work less. I signed up for the wage, all I wanted was for them to give me the fuckin work hours.
And on that note, maybe it does have alot to do with lazy douchebags, but the jobs would probably have alot better time finding people if they would be accurately representing the position they are hiring for instead of promising thw moon and delivering a moonpie.
Here's a golden nugget of truth....So this is not a post looking for job opportunities, far from it.
I recently left my job at a gun store to be a full time dad temporarily, but also because answering 1000 phone calls a day from people asking "Yall got any 9mm?" for two years straight has caused my sanity to erode to the point that my left eye now permanently twitches and I wake up sweating profusely from vivid night terrors where Im trapped behind a cash register with a line of imbeciles a mile long that are ALL wondering why primers are now $200 a box.
So, after about 2 months of doing nothing but trying to raise the kiddo up right, Ive begun to apply for some jobs. So far 1 of every 2 applications Ive submitted has called back for an Interview, and Ive gotten hired for 2 different jobs on the spot (more on that later). By the way, nobody is doing real interviews anymore, like where they ask you about your background and experience before telling you they'll call you back so the next guy can get seen. No, its "Do you have a drivers license? What days are you available? Great, when can you start?"
So far, most of the interviews ive gone to ive had to drive 30 minutes into the closest metropolitan area to me to go up to these big nice offices in skyscrapers downtown, and the whole presentation of the company is big and flashy, until they finally get to the part where they tell you what your actually doing, and it turns out to be a gig selling phone plans at a booth in walmart or going door to door to try and con people into some bogus insurance or pest control plan etc.
So for one, it seems like employers are blowing their outfits WAY out of proportion on the listings they post on indeed. But anyways...
Now, the offers I had initially accepted were both headquartered in locations like the places described above. The first was a security outfit run by a single guy who took bids on jobs, and I ended up backing out of the job I had accepted because he only wanted to pay $13 an hour for un-armed overnight security jobs in sketchy locations that he himself was not even familiar with, which meant he wanted me to drive 1hr-1hr and a half to some random truck stop out in the country he had never been to so I could scope it out for him and sit in some shack all night to chase hookers off the lot or something to that extent.
The second job i "took" was also in a big fancy building. Its an event staffing place that started employees out at $17.50 an hour. Not the best wage, but not the worst. They praised themselves as being a positive team with flexibility to let you make your own schedule and they quote "urgently needed 50 to 100 new employees" to do valet, traffic coordination and what not. So I do the training and stuff and get signed up on their scheduling app, and theres like 7 to 14 hours per week TOPS available to work. Thats hardly even worth spending the gas money to show up at the job for that many hours per week, after they PROMISED they had TONS of upcoming events they desperately needed people for. So needless to say I probably wont be runnin with this gig for very long.
SO IF YOU ACTUALLY READ ALL THAT, wtf is going on? Is the only reason there are so many available jobs because freelance entrepreneurs have all left their previous employers to strike out and run countless crappy businesses out of nice offices that were offering discounted rates on rental space because of the coronavirus pandemic?
Why does it seem like literally EVERY place of employment is hemorrhaging workers and cant find anyone to replace them? Making $17.50 an hour now is like making $13 an hour 2 years ago because of Brandon fucking up our gas prices.
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What is REALLY causing places to need employees so bad even when unemployed people seem to be staying unemployed? The govt benefits are drying up by now, what the fuck is going on?
You know what, your right. Really. I dont know what the fuck I was thinking coming on here to ask a bunch of individuals who are clearly over qualified to be talking to anyone like me about a generalized question concerning the economy.This all makes sense now. So you’re telling me that you passed up on opportunities within the trades to work retail, then get discounts, then spend your paycheck on the stuff you can’t afford, then quit to stay home, and now the job market has you frustrated.
Sounds like you need to have a look in the mirror and do some soul searching. While going to college, I did some work on the side for a dude who ran a 2 man operation doing data network installation. The owner also does metal fabrication/welding projects as additional income. He does very well for himself. So much that he has multiple prop planes in his hangar.
Moral of the story, stop acting like a victim. If you can’t see past that, then you’ll forever be in this position.
You guys must be really miserable.
lol, you gotta have a thick hide here, and that is a fact.You know what, your right. Really. I dont know what the fuck I was thinking coming on here to ask a bunch of individuals who are clearly over qualified to be talking to anyone like me about a generalized question concerning the economy.
Guess i really stepped outa line asking my new employer for some extra hours huh? How about, for my reparations to all you guys i must've offended so much, ill donate this thread to you so you can say whatever you want about how much of a failure i am. And lump everyone else whos roughly 30 years old in their with me since were all a bunch of lazy do nothing shit stains.
AND, I wont read any of it! Oh wow sounds great right. You guys must be really miserable. Seriously, you have to really hate youself deep down to make it a priority to burn randos online who dont fit into your worldview.
Have fun assholes.
The wife and I have talked about this as length. We came up with what I think is the answer a while back and it checks out the more I talk to people who own a business as well as people who are working their normal job that they 'survived' through all the covid bullshit with. They all say very similar things.
It's the beginning of what we call "The Great Millenial Give Up".
Where are all of the employees when there are 1000 'help wanted' ads up literally everywhere? They fucking gave up. Not in a sense that they gave up because the odds were against them, but in a sense that they generally made bad life decisions and really got nowhere in life, didn't have or want to have what it took to actually succeed and came to the honest realization that this was true.
This coincided with a 'pandemic' that gave them not only an excuse, but a mandate to stay at home and do literally nothing and receive as much, or more income than they received based on their worth to society, which usually wasn't much. The 'safe spaces' and social justice bullshit took a backseat to sitting at home in your underwear, getting high, playing XBOX and having the .gov paying you to do it all with no real end in sight.
Days turned to weeks. Weeks to months. Months to basically 2 years of this. This was long enough for them to 'adapt' to a sedentary, isolationist lifestyle where the entire free market system basically ceased to exist to them. Why? They don't 'need' it and they don't want to deal with it again because all it meant to them was bullshit work, low wages and made up shit like the reason that they fail so bad is because whyd peopo or some dumb shit.
This was the first shoe to drop. Basically taking them out of our society as producers in any degree and making them subsidized consumers. Divorcing them from society was very easy as society really never gave them anything and they were easily done with it.
Then came the market adjustments due to the fake pandemic, inflation and supply shortages. Target where I live has been openly advertising that they are paying $25/hour for positions I could do if I was blackout drunk. Local restaurants and business are all offering a ridiculous starting wage that literally NOONE deserves working there. So will they all come back and get a fucking job; because remember the whole push to $15/hour and that would fix everything? Of fucking course not.
The mentality is this. They have separated themselves from basically the outside world. They also continue to make horrible life decisions. They don't really need a car or want car insurance because they'll just Uber it. They don't want health insurance because why? Going to work costs gas, is inconvenient and a primary trigger for their made up mental disorders. They happily defeat themselves into living in their parents/uncles/friends basement or that extra room in the house that they basically never leave. Give them wifi to overspend on DoorDash 2-3x a day and to get on Instagram, they are GTG.
Plan B is to work a 'gig' job at Target making 25/hr until they have enough money for the rent their parents have been bugging them about or that trip they want to go on. Then they quit and file unemployment again. Rinse/repeat.
I have 2 friends who own trade businesses that can't find employees and are backlogged until basically forever. They say they constantly have people calling them about a job who have 0 experience, couldn't pass a drug test if there was a 10k bonus for doing so and didn't leave you with a question as to if they are not totally fucking retarded after a phone call. Oh, they all want $35/hr+ or its just not 'worth it' to them; I'm sure their resumes consist of jobs at a convenience store, jail, and 14 different jobs over 18 months.
They are completely divorced from reality and society. There is a large segment of them out there who are back to being children living at home and actually have 'my parents inheritance' as a future plan on how to subsist.
The problem for them is, within a year or so all of the benefits are gone and all of that 'oh you can stay here' is going to come due. People will NEED to go back to doing something and by that time they'll all be standing there with the same poor look on their face when they realize that 25/hr job is not back to $9.
And no one will care.
You missed the point, but it's not your fault. I hoped my reply would be easy to understand, but we still don't have a sarcasm font on SH; I blame Frank.Fuck that new age shit. I am the patriarchy. I worked 7 days a week, 12 hours a day for a year and started my own business when I was 25. Haven't been anything but the don since (although like any business owner, I have never felt like the don. More like janitor/director.)
I don't get time and a half, I get straight pay for overtime...and the gov takes 41% of that off the top, same with a bonus. It's bullshit.<snip> They hate the idea of overtime. You’ll never get a bigger raise than when that time and a half kicks in. The way the gov taxes overtime/performance bonuses is bullshit but a different convo.
Do the world a favor; DO NOT bring anymore children into the world...we can't afford to feed you, let alone any extra ankle biters you spawn.You know what, your right. Really. I dont know what the fuck I was thinking coming on here to ask a bunch of individuals who are clearly over qualified to be talking to anyone like me about a generalized question concerning the economy.
Guess i really stepped outa line asking my new employer for some extra hours huh? How about, for my reparations to all you guys i must've offended so much, ill donate this thread to you so you can say whatever you want about how much of a failure i am. And lump everyone else whos roughly 30 years old in their with me since were all a bunch of lazy do nothing shit stains.
AND, I wont read any of it! Oh wow sounds great right. You guys must be really miserable. Seriously, you have to really hate youself deep down to make it a priority to burn randos online who dont fit into your worldview.
Have fun assholes.
Don’t lump me in with you. 28 and have a successful welding business. I started working at 14 for free for experience. Well the owner did give me a $100 visa gift card every month.You know what, your right. Really. I dont know what the fuck I was thinking coming on here to ask a bunch of individuals who are clearly over qualified to be talking to anyone like me about a generalized question concerning the economy.
Guess i really stepped outa line asking my new employer for some extra hours huh? How about, for my reparations to all you guys i must've offended so much, ill donate this thread to you so you can say whatever you want about how much of a failure i am. And lump everyone else whos roughly 30 years old in their with me since were all a bunch of lazy do nothing shit stains.
AND, I wont read any of it! Oh wow sounds great right. You guys must be really miserable. Seriously, you have to really hate youself deep down to make it a priority to burn randos online who dont fit into your worldview.
Have fun assholes.