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Can someone explain this?

Took my Anschutz 1712AV to the indoor range today, was having some fun shooting some different ammo at printed paper targets; Eley Club & Team, Norma TAC-22 and some SK Pistol Match. The Pistol Match had me really thinking this rifle really doesn't like that ammo. Since I had another 10 rounds of that box left over after running through all of the targets on the sheet I decided to shoot the bottom two rows again (red rectangle around those rows) and see how much of a shotgun pattern it would print. Well, this just doesn't make any sense, it shot nearly the same holes for 8 of those ten rounds. I only have a 3-9x33 scope on it, so shooting with it on 9x power and holding dead center best I could at that magnification.

Could it be some weird optical illusion or scope image aberration causing it to look centered on the target but not actually centered? Pictures aren't in chronological order, I shot each box of ammo in this order: Club, Team, SKPM, and Tac-22.
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It seems to like Eley Team pretty well:
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Club did pretty good, I adjusted the scope windage after the first two rows. Club was the first ammo I shot today and never adjusted the scope again.
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Norma TAC-22 wasn't too consistent.
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The rifle, posed for picture before any shooting, didn't actually put any CCI-SV through it today:
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Anybody into wood burning furnaces? Looking for recommendations

My Elf wood burning furnace is over 40 yrs old and still works but it’s falling apart . I love it because it has an electric heater inside in case you run out of wood etc. but I’m not sure if they make combo units like that anymore . Does anyone have any recommendations and since all the electrical and duct work is there it seems like it wood be easy to install myself but never done it. Any advice wood be welcome , thanks
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Am I being an idiot - Why am I getting pressure signs here?

The rifle is a 22” Bartlein 6.5cm barrel chambered by bugholes with a terminus Zeus qc. About 160 rounds on the barrel so far, mostly not suppressed.

Same issue with two different loads
- 143gr eldx with 40gr h4350 with br2 and COAL of 2.864”
- 140gr eldm with 39gr h4350 with br2 and COAL of 2.853

Both in virgin Lapua brass prepped by trimming slightly to 1.906-1.908, 21st century expander mandrel at .262, and champher/debur.

Rifle initially shot great, multiple groups around .2 moa. I noticed heavy bolt lift intermittently, primarily shooting the 39.0 h4350 and eldm combo listed above, but didn’t know what to make of it and it kept shooting well. I scoped it and noticed what I thought was carbon ring initially, cleaned it out, and the rifle kept shooting well. Only had about 30 rounds through it after a good cleaning and scope to make sure the ring was gone, when I had very heavy lift shooting 14 rounds of the 40.0gr eldx load above, which seemed to be getting worse the longer I shot.

I scoped it again after I got home and included pictures of that in this post. It looks like a lot of carbon ring to me, which I don’t understand for only about 30 rounds of 6.5cm.

My chronograph died and I’m waiting on a Garmin to arrive, but initially had Chronographed the eldm load at 2520fps.

I tried decreasing my powder charge, and I am still seeing the same pressure signs of heavy bolt lift and ejector marks.

Am I trimming my brass too short and seating the bullets too long, resulting in premature issues with carbon ring? It doesn’t feel like I’m jamming the bullet into the lands when I close the bolt. Can’t figure out what’s going on, but I thought I was seating 20 and 40 thousandths off the lands based on my initial measurements. I’m assuming the problem is me and something I’m doing, but since I’m using brand new brass and not doing much to it, I don’t know what could be going on. Appreciate the help.

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SOLD Sold: Manners Folder (TF4A) and Compact (CS)

SOLD 1. Manners T4FA R700, SA/RH
Probably one of my favorite Manners color schemes. This is a gorgeous stock that came off of an Area 419 build. I've used the full bedded stock on ARC, Tempest, and Deviant actions w/o issue. Forgot what the screw holes are on the bottom of the stock, perhaps for a bag rider?
- Heavy fill, fully bedded
- Folding stock
- Adjustable cheek riser
- Decelerator butt pad
- Hawkins DBM
- Forend picatinny rail
SOLD Asking $1350 shipped SOLD

SOLD. Manners CS Elite gloss R700, SA/RH
This is as near as can be new. Shiny and all, I tried this out for my 10yr old but he isn't into centerfires yet.
- Compact adjustable
- Elite fill, gloss finish
- Manners Gen-2 mini chassis
- Forend picatinny rail
- Brad's adjustable cheekpiece (very comfortable)
SOLD Asking $1350 shipped SOLD

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Ar's that won't function

I have a pair of AR's with 18 inch barrels and rifle length gas systems that won't run.
1st gun: 18" White Oak 1-8 rifle length with a .100 port. A5 buffer system running a sprinco green and an H1 buffer. Won't run anything but American Eagle 55 grain. Everything else is short stroking.

2nd gun: BA 18" 1-8 rifle length with a .094 port. Carbine length buffer system with a sprinco Yellow and a standard 3.0 oz buffer. Same situation
It is cold here at about 20 degrees. I'm loading Hornady 75 gr BTHP with 24.0 grains of TAC
hoping the hive mind can produce some suggestions before I launch one of these POS' off a cliff.

Can’t zero my new scope. Can it be broken or am I missing something ?

Hey all. I recently swapped my vortex crossfire 3-9 off my savage axis 308 and put on an arken epl4 6-24x50. Prior to this, I had no issue with my 3-9 and could take it out to 500 yards consistently. Since putting the new scope on I cannot get it to zero in any capacity. I have tried two different laser bore sights and ranged it at 25 yards, 50 yards, and 100 yards all while taking shots after each and they weren’t even on paper.

it is shooting about 3 mil’s to the right and I’m out of windage on the turrets. It’s also shooting high and I’m almost out of elevation.

Any idea of what I can do or should I just return the scope? I’ve wasted about 50 rounds so far

Creative Conservatives

OK, serious question time. I ask in "good faith," and I trust all of you will resist the urge to react to that "snark-o-meter." :ROFLMAO:

One of the chief complaints I get from liberals about "conservatives" (aside from us all being "gun toting dumb asses that just want to hunt all the time," etc.), :rolleyes: is that there aren't very many "creative" conservatives. And by "creative," I mean people who excel in the "Arts," "Drama," "music" (other than country/western), intellectual pursuits like Science, Economics (well, we do have Thomas Sowell), Medicine (but we do have Ben Carson), Legal/Law (where we have Clarence Thomas), etc. etc. I would add others I've come to know and admire, but I don't know if they're actually liberal or conservative.

I want to prove the libtards wrong! I want to show them that there just as many (if not more) creative conservatives out there. For example, in re: the "Arts," (painting/design), we have Jack Phillips of "Masterpeice Bakery." He actually does some fantastic cake designs. Or, perhaps, all of the actors in Hollywood that have to stay "closeted" lest they get blacklisted because of the libs that control Hollywood. And, in re: Heavy Rock Music we have "Uncle Ted", of course. The libs seem to believe that "liberalism" is better because it fosters more "creative freedom." I'm not down with that at all. I think we are just as creative. We can be just as academically intelligent, as artistic etc. etc. as those who call themselves liberals and think that anyone that isn't one of them is dumb, racist, etc. etc. .

I recall watching a college Football "halftime" show that was broadcast on TV. It was the Univ. of Michigan vs. Brown Univ. and featured the Marching bands of both schools. The Univ. of Michigan band took the show totally seriously as I know they would, having gone to one of their competitor schools in the Big 10 and witnessing both the band and the football team trounce ours). :eek: They did 3-4 solid numbers with precise formations, etc. etc. as any school that takes Marching bands seriously would (as did my school). The "Brown" marching band, realizing that they were just simply "outnumbered and outclassed," decided to take the "creative" approach and make a humerous "farce" out of the event (i.e. not even playing anything serious, but what would look "creative" to a liberal). The Brown "narrator" saying things like, "Watch while the parents of Brown students go "baaaroque" (i.e "broke" due to the tuition costs being the double entendre). Even the TV commentator had to remark as to the reaction by the Michigan band members and their utter disgust. Rule #1, you do not "dis" a Big 10 marching band like that. You just don't. But, I guess it was their (Brown's band) attempt at being "creative." It failed, miserably.

Anyway, I want to put together a list of "creative conservatives." People who are just as creative artistically, intellectually, etc. etc. but are also "conservatives." I mean, the only real differences between libs and conservatives is our beliefs on the level of govt. in our lives, fiscal policies, the degree of religion in our lives and our senses of "right vs. wrong." Conservatives seem to want to "play by the rules" more often, and Liberals seem to think it OK to break the rules if it gives them an advantage. Other than that, we could be just the same, intelelctually, creatively, artiistically, etc.

Who, then, are some of your favorite "Creative conservatives?"

Signage on Stores

You go to some banks in Texas and you will see two signs on the window (or graphics.) Usually Texas Penal Code (ironically) 30.06 for no concealed carry of a handgun and 30.07 for no open carry.

One convenience store I have been to has only the 30.07 sign.

Go to grocery stores and liquor stores and you will see a sign that says that carrying an "unlicensed" handgun is prohibited.

First off, the gun does not have a license. You fill out the 4473 at transfer. The person carrying it, such as myself, will have an LTC (License To Carry.) I got mine before Texas approved the permitless "Constitutional" carry.

I am not arguing against a place having rules. My LTC instructor was clear on that. You could be helping a friend set up for a party in the evening and be wearing your gun. He may decide that later, at the party, no one can carry because there will be drinking. His property, his rules.

A business can also post notices of not being allowed to carry. In fact, the 30.06 and 30.07 signs are clear enough.

However, with consitutional carry, the 2nd Amendment is your license, so, you are always licensed. So, why bother having that signage? Especially now that the constitutional carry is in place?

I keep my LTC. It proves I had an extensive background check, so, I don't have to wait on that, just wait on checking the 4473 for any errors.

I would not want to be a test case. And my gun is usually concealed, sort of. During the summer, I wear a large angler shirt over it and a lot of times, people don't know that I am carrying.

Cone drilling for 338 Lapua and 308

I’m thinking of buying a suppressor and wanted to get the cones drilled out for 338 lapua and 308 so I can move it to multiple rifles.
338 diameter is .339, 308 is 308 of course
what should I have the cones drilled to for the 338 and would it work for the 308 as well ?
or should I have 2 sets of cones one for each caliber?

thanks
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What is the weather like in your AO today?

I'm guessing Montana/Colorado is probably the coldest in the CONUS, maybe the midwest?.

In Eastern WA it was -5 when I got up, with a 25-35 mph wind. This is the first real cold weather we've had... but appears that it is going to only last for a few days.

Maybe I'll find a hungry coyote when the wind dies. Stay Warm !

Ammo company expands


I just saw this, and I'm not sure it's been talked about prior. If so, I missed it.

Anyway, I've never heard of this ammo company.

Maggie’s Hypocrisy At It's Best

Weird how "The Constitution is clear" and "This is an unacceptable violation of the Constitution" , only when they don't like something. Clearly, "shall not be infringed" is the only part of the Constitution that is unclear and perfectly acceptable to violate.


WASHINGTON, DC: Several Democrats on Capitol Hill voiced their disapproval of President Joe Biden's airstrikes against Houthi targets in Yemen on Thursday, January 11.

The lawmakers argued that the military action was unconstitutional and called for adherence to the War Powers Act.

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House Democrats Demand Congressional Authorization​

Rep Ro Khanna from California took to X, stating, "The President needs to come to Congress before launching a strike against the Houthis in Yemen and involving us in another Middle East conflict. That is Article I of the Constitution. I will stand up for that regardless of whether a Democrat or Republican is in the White House."

"Section 2C of the War Powers Act is clear: POTUS may only introduce the US into hostilities after Congressional authorization or in a national emergency when the U.S. is under imminent attack," he added. "Reporting is not a substitute. This is a retaliatory, offensive strike."



Echoing Khanna's sentiments, Rep Val Hoyle of Oregon tweeted, "These airstrikes have NOT been authorized by Congress. The Constitution is clear: Congress has the sole authority to authorize military involvement in overseas conflicts. Every president must first come to Congress and ask for military authorization, regardless of party."



Rep Pramila Jayapal, the head of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, labeled the US- and UK-led bombing campaign as "an unacceptable violation of the Constitution," stressing that Article 1 mandates "military action to be authorized by Congress."



Rep Mark Pocan expressed concerns about the risk of the US getting entangled in another prolonged conflict without congressional authorization. "The White House must work with Congress before continuing these airstrikes in Yemen," he insisted.

Rep Cori Bush, a member of the far-left "Squad," went further, calling the airstrikes "illegal" and imploring President Biden to "stop the bombing and do better by us." She tweeted, "The people do not want more of our taxpayer dollars going to endless war and the killing of civilians."

Rep Rashida Tlaib, who has previously accused Biden of supporting "genocide" against Palestinians, condemned the Yemen offensive, stating, "The American people are tired of endless war," and describing the airstrikes as unconstitutional.





Global Context and Political Ramifications​

The airstrikes in Yemen come in response to a series of drone and missile attacks by Iranian-backed Houthi rebels against shipping vessels in the Red Sea. A senior administration official defended the action, citing the obligation to protect global trade and commerce.

"The United States carries a special, historic obligation to help protect and defend these arteries of global trade and commerce," the official told reporters Thursday, as quoted by the New York Post.

"And this action falls directly in line with that tradition. That is clearly reflected in both our national security strategy and the national defense strategy. It is a key conviction of the president and it is a commitment that we are prepared to uphold."



The strikes mark a significant escalation in the Middle East conflict, occurring amid President Biden's reelection campaign and growing Republican criticism of his global leadership.

The move follows intensified warnings and comes a day after GOP candidates Ron DeSantis and Nikki Haley criticized Biden for perceived delays in protecting US forces and assets in the region.

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Despite the administration's efforts to avoid deeper involvement in the Middle East, escalating Houthi attacks and the imperative to reestablish deterrence pushed the White House towards military action, CNN reported.

"These targeted strikes are a clear message that the United States and our partners will not tolerate attacks on our personnel or allow hostile actors to imperil freedom of navigation in one of the world's most critical commercial routes," Biden said in a statement. "I will not hesitate to direct further measures to protect our people and the free flow of international commerce as necessary."

Social Media Backlash​

Regardless, the president faced backlash on social media, with users calling for his arrest, prosecution, and even impeachment over the airstrikes launched without congressional approval.

"He should be arrested. If the President does not have immunity then he broke the law," one posted on X.

"So he can be prosecuted right?" another wrote. "Jail him up," a comment read.

"They should impeach Joe Biden and Kamala Harris," someone else added.

"Look it's not that big of a deal..c'mon man.. it's just a little bombing," another quipped.

Does nobody make stock packs anymore?

Am I a dinosaur or something? These things are non existent anymore. Been waiting over a year for Triad to get some more in for a couple rifles I just wanted them for but didn’t really need them, but now I need one for another rifle. Aside from some Amazon chinesium options does anyone know of any out there? In a perfect world I’d like a black triad with internal loops.

I thought about doing a WTB ad and figured I’d get something that way but I’d prefer new from a retailer for something I’m going to put my face on. You never know who’s been grinding their taint on it.

Pistol Brace added QD Sling Mount

I recently purchased a Pistol Brace for my Q Fix and the previous owner added a QD Mount to it. This is my first braced pistol so ive been reading up on them and came across something saying that you cannot permanently modify it from its original configuration. Would this be considered that? Hate to have to buy another one but i will if i have to...

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Lets kick this pig

This Link has to load, then translate. If after 10-15 seconds its still in Greek refresh & it will translate. Some computers will require that & some won't depending settings.

Its referencing what the Russians have warned about in the past behind closed doors, now they are saying it openly about canned sunshine usage. The war mongers all over this rock, must be patting each other on the back over this. I hope they fully understand what is primed & cocked behind the door they are about to unlock & open.
Perception & Reality may be about to clash.

Received a knock off JP ULMOS from OpticsPlanet

Posting to warn and vent. Received this from OpticsPlanet 3 days ago. Fake BCG, bolt and pin are missing completely. No idea how this could have happened (mb someone ordered it before, replaced with a golden hand painted $50 bcg and returned it, that would be my best guess). OP said they’ll do investigation. Working with their customer service to get a replacement.

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