I asked Grok about Harvey Milk being a child predator

Grok:
I didn’t ignore Lillian Faderman’s biography; rather, my previous response focused on the primary source of the “child predator” claim, which often centers on Randy Shilts’ The Mayor of Castro Street and the relationship with Jack Galen McKinley. Faderman’s work, particularly The Gay Revolution (2015), does mention Milk’s relationship with McKinley, who was 16 or 17 when they met in 1964. She describes it as a consensual relationship, noting McKinley’s age and troubled background, but doesn’t frame it as predatory or illegal. Faderman contextualizes it within the era’s social norms and Milk’s pattern of relationships with younger men, without evidence of him targeting prepubescent children or engaging in criminal behavior.

My Response:
Ignoring Fabermans biography is spinning the Milk story that Milk is the victim of baseless accusations


Grok:
The omission of Faderman’s specific reference in my earlier answer wasn’t intentional but a result of prioritizing Shilts’ account, as it’s more frequently cited in this debate. Faderman’s biography aligns with the view that the relationship raises ethical questions due to the age gap and power dynamics but doesn’t substantiate the “child predator” label under clinical or legal definitions. If you’re referring to specific passages or claims in Faderman’s work I missed, could you share those details? I can dig deeper into her text or other sources to clarify.


My response:
Then you should include Faberman biography information when others ask you about Milk and young boys

I understand your concern that omitting Faderman’s biography might seem like it’s framing Milk as a victim of baseless accusations. To clarify, I didn’t intend to ignore Faderman’s work or spin the narrative. My previous response focused on Shilts’ The Mayor of Castro Street because it’s often the primary source cited in discussions about Milk’s relationship with Jack Galen McKinley, the 16- or 17-year-old in question. However, let’s address Faderman’s account directly to ensure I’m engaging with your point.


In Lillian Faderman’s The Gay Revolution (2015), she discusses Milk’s relationship with McKinley, noting that Milk met him in 1964 when McKinley was a teenager (16 or 17) and a runaway with a history of substance abuse. Faderman describes the relationship as consensual and doesn’t label it as predatory, but she acknowledges the age difference and Milk’s pattern of being attracted to younger men, often those with troubled backgrounds. She places this in the context of the 1960s, when social norms around age and relationships differed, and doesn’t suggest Milk’s behavior was illegal or targeted prepubescent children. Faderman’s account doesn’t frame Milk as a victim but rather presents his personal life as complex, focusing on his broader contributions to gay rights.


The “child predator” accusation, as you’ve raised, often stems from critics who interpret the McKinley relationship as inherently exploitative due to the age gap and power dynamics. These critics, including groups like SaveCalifornia, point to such relationships to argue Milk’s legacy is tainted. Faderman’s biography doesn’t refute the relationship but also doesn’t endorse the predator label, instead offering a nuanced view that avoids sensationalizing it.


If it seems I’m spinning the story, that’s not my intent. My goal is to ground the discussion in evidence. Faderman’s account, like Shilts’, confirms the relationship with McKinley but doesn’t provide evidence that Milk’s actions meet the legal or clinical definition of a “child predator” (e.g., targeting prepubescent children or breaking age-of-consent laws). The age of consent in New York in 1964 was complex—often 17 for heterosexual relationships, with sodomy laws potentially criminalizing homosexual acts regardless of age—but there’s no record of Milk facing legal charges for this relationship.


If you feel Faderman’s biography contains specific details I’m overlooking—like direct evidence of predatory behavior or other relationships with minors—please point me to those passages or specifics. I can also search for additional sources or X posts to cross-check. My aim is to address the accusation head-on without dismissing your perspective or the complexity of Milk’s personal life. What specific information from Faderman’s work are you referring to that you think I’m missing?

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I’ve got two at barrels. Top is a colt 16” 5.56 barrel. The index pin is sheared off. $100. Has 300-500 rounds.

Bottom is ballistic advantage 18” .223 wylde barrel. Has about 500 rounds on it.
$100

2 barrels, a bartlein 26” pretty heavy contour with about 750 rounds on it. 6gt.
$250

Pva marksman contour, fluted 24” 6gt about 1000 rounds on this one.
$300

Vortex Strike Eagle 1-8x24
Leupold Scope Mount
First owner; used once
$350 shipped

As the title states, gently used Zero Press. Excellent condition. Will ship in original box. $950 shipped. PayPal F&F. Please send pm if interested.

New in box. Need a Magnum instead. Open to trades for new Magnum action or a high end scope and can add the difference on my end. $1400 shipped to your FFL.
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Up for sale my FDE ZCO 420 (part # 400-0587) with MPCT2X reticle; residing on Spuhr SP6002 FDE mount (0 MOA 1.5”height)

I used this scope set up once. The gun it was on is sold and I do not need this scope set up anymore. It is in pristine condition.

I would like to sell the scope with the mount. However if you already have a mount; $3350.00 shipped for the scope only. Scope has to sell first before i consider offers for the mount, this is non negotiable.

Asking $3750.00 shipped, fully insured and direct signature required. No trades at this time.

Terms of sale:

I only accept: venmo friends family, apple pay. I do not take zelle. Price is net to me. No mentions in the payment.

Please post "I will take it" below and pm me your address and tell me how you would like to pay.

Payment has to be completed same day, otherwise i will move on to the next interested party; therefore I encourage" SECONDS" posts on the thread.

As the title states, I have a like new Craddock Precision 18" RTR 6 ARC barrel, less than a box of hornady thru it (under20 rds). Got it before noveske DDF came out and going in another direction. Comes with matching bolt. Barrels currently out of stock at CP. $400 shipped. Will accept Paypal F&F, zelle, USPS MO and checks (ship when clear).

The MDT SRS-XF Premier Folding Buttstock is designed to let you create a compact rifle system - for long hikes or small spaces - that locks up solid to maintain precision at any range.

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Brand new in the box. It’s been sitting in my gun room since I got it. Ship to your ffl. This is the nrl version with the trigger tech diamond, mlock mount etc. 6.5 creed. $2200 shipped

I have a MPA and a MDT chassis and neither are the same size arca as my spotting scope. Purchased a Vortex quick release plate hoping it was the same size, no luck.
I have a Fatboy tripod with an invert 60 head , I'm looking for a plate that can be connected without adjusting the clamp size?

Looking for Terminus Zeus QC barrels carbon or hunting weight steel barrels.
6.5x47
260 AI
6.5 CM
7 SAW

2x Used TT Diamond flat shoe triggers - $SOLD shipped

1x New TT Diamond flat shoe trigger - $SOLD shipped

Received this back in April of '23, so it's the initial version. Also have the replacement extractor that ARC sent out not too long after release, as well as an action wrench. Both are brand new. $old shipped to your FFL. Not looking for any trades at this time. Thanks.

Action details from my invoice:
Coup De Grâce Bolt Action (Short action, Right, 0.473", Hourglass, 20 MOA [5.8 mrad], Black, Fluted, Pivoting)

FYI, I'll also be posting separate ads for a new PVA CDG prefit in 6br, as well as a lightly used Xylo chassis.

Howdy Hide,

I'm fighting through a bit of 90's nostalgia this week but thought that perhaps one of the outlets I'd been using to 'scratch that itch" may be of interest here.

Long story short- in the late 90's there was a show called "Magic Secrets Revealed" which featured the "masked magician". Essentially the premise of the show (you have to remember that this predated "reality tv" programming) was the producers of the show convinced a magician to "reveal trade secrets" but ONLY under the guise of remaining anonymous due to "fear" of being blacklisted.

That said- it's just a show that has the potential of ruining your childlike wanderlust and love of magic by showing how the tricks/illusions are performed but I don't recall a show of similar content existing before or since then.

Do with the below link as you will- either you're interested in "cracking" the secrets or you'd rather remain in ignorant bliss (and no judgement from me either way) but figured I"d at least share the link in case anyone else had an interest in this topic.

The barrel is to narrow to the handguard, so that I can´t attach any M-LOK equipment to the rifle.
The M-LOK - nut touches the barrel on the inside of the handguard.

It is an upper from Savage, the MSR15 Recon 2.0 with an 18" barrel.
But even Savage emailed me and said, they don´t know which hand guard this is.

Can you help me?

HI friend
selling my brand new scope everything inside the box and scope mount.
SCOPE $1400
SCOPE Amount $200
Accept payment:
Venmo,zelle,paypal
any question 310-357-6026
thanks
Trade plus cash
Aimpoint T-2
Daniel defense Riii handguard 12.5 any color
LMT AR-15 lower receiver full ambi strip. any color

What’s a good deal on a used AMP MKII which is not the newest DB model? Not in the market yet but just trying to see if it’s something I should consider or not. Couple sold in PX but the pricing was removed from the listing.

Line item veto.

The Donald is happy, Elon is happy, I'd be very happy.

Carry on.

Hello folks,

Selling my PRS build 6.5 Creedmoor rifle. Foundation stock, Proof barrel, Impact 737R action, Leupold MK5 Optic (Mils).

$5,500 - Only local (San Francisco Bay Area / NorCal region) buyers at the moment.

789 round count. I don't plan on adding any more. Used primarily at local matches (shoutout to NCPPRC and WCLR) - just haven't used it as much as my rimfire build so here we are.

Build sheet is in the photos.

Not parting out. No trades.

Thanks!

As new Titanium Blue ACC Elite rifle chassis with buttstock dampeners. Includes 2 Grayops external forend weights.

Asking $1400 shipped

Mac mp5 clone. Shoots really smooth. Fun carbine, ran maybe 300 rounds though it suppressed. Currently short barreled rifle but will pull off the NFA and will convert back to a pistol upon sale

will include the plastic briefcase, mloc handguard, optic mount 2 mags, pistol end plate, FH.

800 shipped to your ffl

Optic not included.

Will sell the hk parts mp5 folder for 225 shipped.