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Very good explanation, Theta does well also because of the ratio they have in lens with the length of the optic as well as coatings. Will is correct mirage doesn’t just appear based on the name on the side of the scope it’s how the scope handles it and allows the shooter to use it that is what people really see when they say “cutting through mirage”. A prime example is when you look through Swaro Binos and can see layers of the mirage as focus to the target location.Not much no, but mirage is a good place to test DOF. Not the derail this KHALES thread, but the Tangent for example is very very good at DOF and a good example of that is being able to see mirage in layers almost. Like you can see the mirage closer than the target if that makes sense. Scopes can’t cut thru mirage that doesn’t exist even tho people say that a lot. What good scopes do is place the mirage and target in an almost 3D image so it isn’t flat like say on a vortex razor 2.
All that to say that’s why I decided to run the disk on the march during heavy mirage, I wanted to see what it looked like and how it would treat mirage etc. I shot some stages with it on and some without. Under the time constraints of a PRS stage, you don’t notice the change a ton. Zeroing at 100 you can if you’re paying attention.
And why has no one added fleas to the clean laundry to be returned to its owner?
Not much no, but mirage is a good place to test DOF. Not the derail this KHALES thread, but the Tangent for example is very very good at DOF and a good example of that is being able to see mirage in layers almost. Like you can see the mirage closer than the target if that makes sense. Scopes can’t cut thru mirage that doesn’t exist even tho people say that a lot. What good scopes do is place the mirage and target in an almost 3D image so it isn’t flat like say on a vortex razor 2.Did the disk help mirage at all? Not sure it that’s it’s main reason of being or (vs. DOF increase).
Bud, I definitely don’t care what you think about my opinion LOL you aren’t that important. You started the shill job and I replied to another poster trying to shine some light on their question about why you were going so hard for March. You addressed me first, otherwise I wouldn’t have even responded to you and let you keep digging the hole even deeper.Bud if you think I personally care what your opinion is your mistaken, the fact is other shooters DO think differently from you and they HAVE made the comments as such.
Man you can actually make that joke…. At least you don’t have cancer!Hey I thought I was the only Chief on here... - Richard
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Good question and I have no clue.Outstanding....thanks for the info, Terry.
And was it actually Mozambique? Couple of shots the body armor and then kill shot to the head? At least that's my totally ignorant knowledge of what that term means.
Cheers
BJ that’s just it dude your opinion is yours, others can have their opinions too! None of that changes that they don’t always align man. Your reputation proceeds you for past things but honestly I’ll be the first to say I think the chads a very nice system I personally like it. In fact I own a several TMB and have talked to you several times and we actually got on just fine. The internet often delivers differently than folks intend and snipers hide might be the worst of that occurance.Reputation for standing up for friends when someone’s a dick to them for no reason and calling out claims which simply aren’t true? Yeah no thanks. The haters can hate and I ain’t afraid to stand up for shit. The 540i doesn’t have a tight eye box at all and will knows for dam sure what he’s talking about. Not to mention yeah I’ve shot all those scopes too. So whatever. You don’t like my delivery? That’s fine. Let’s chat and I’ll try to do better in the future. But none of that makes me wrong and if I am ever for whatever reason I’ll admit it and try to learn.
Bud if you think I personally care what your opinion is your mistaken, the fact is other shooters DO think differently from you and they HAVE made the comments as such.I did shoot the 5-42…..in matches….literally posted stage footage on my instagram. Even with the unfocused camera. If other people feel differently then have it but you’re paddling upstream at this point.
Man I appreciate your comment I do as a potential customer, however in the comparisons that I’ve been informed of by actual shooters on the firing line it’s been commented that the wide angle optics are tighter on the eyebox than standard. Which actually agrees with the design compromises of a wide angle optic, they do have a tighter eyebox by nature versus a standard lens configuration, however they offer a massive FOV Increase. It’s a calculated compromise for optics manufacturers, the Kahles has huge FOV but that design requires a compromise even with a 52mm ocular design. Kahles didn’t make the ocular 52mm for no reason, just like March didn’t make the ocular 46mm and choose 26 degrees for no reason. It’s a compromise… I’ve been careful not to put my own opinion on these threads and if you follow me post you’ll see I don’t generally shit on any other optics as a rule of thumb. However just because someone disagrees with the statement doesn’t make that individuals statement any more or less true. The reality is every optic has compromises in them, the kahles has some areas that need attention based on those discussions and it’s been noticed by shooters.I fricking hate Swaro/Kahles as a company due to their lawfare, but, uh, man, @Onebadstang16 you're not doing yourself (or March) any favors here.
@X-ring mentions the 540’s eyebox at about 5:30 here. At 40x he calls it “super super forgiving.”
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Ray is a good shooter.
And yes, he doesn’t appear to have a March vid on his site. And no, I’m not making any claims one scope is better than another…heck I want March to be better.
No dog in this fight. I’ve never looked through either scope.
But I am a potential customer.
For those who have peered through both scopes, perhaps a calm description of each scope’s eyebox would be helpful?
I did, and it was included in the box. A nice touch I must say. I used it in a couple matches during the summer time when mirage was really bad. Over 100 degrees ambient temp. It worked okay and the light reduction wasn’t enough to be noticeable but it didn’t make a huge DOF difference either.Agreed.
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About the DOF of the 5-42, did you ever try that March MD disk (modifier disk)? I take it that it increases DOF. Should be included in the box.
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The description in the link references competitors’ increased DOF needs. Knocks down some light; not sure how that affects comps during midday.
1) We will discuss this.@DocUSMCRetired please add ability to drag/move targets on the list in the order (i think its best then to order by distance - now it seems first comes first listed) and also when lasing usually you hit button several times to make sure reading is correct and every lase = target which can be annoying so me thinks a way to "quick delete single target - swipe right/left for example with menu delete like gmail app or something similar" would be perfect opposed to coding some special algorithm to "take one of many consecutive readings within x distance". Sorting by column might also be good feature like name, distance drop....
Otherwise today we again played with range cards and lasing and i must say "it simply works" its like in the arty units point click store send use without any fuss really nice and quick way to store target data cudos dudes...
I did shoot the 5-42…..in matches….literally posted stage footage on my instagram. Even with the unfocused camera. If other people feel differently then have it but you’re paddling upstream at this point.Your experiences don’t mimic those of folks actually shooting the optic in competition so I guess we can agree to disagree. I will say all wide angle optics will inherently have tighter eyeboxes than those of standard configurations. That too affects the kahles 328/540