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Sig P320 Paranoia Setting in.

I had a talk with 3 different employees at a couple of local gun stores about the P320 boondoggle. All of them told me the issue was only with pre-recall 320 guns...so mine is GTG. Problem is, many of the reported self booming 320 pistols are of recent manufacture. Any how, one of the gun counter guys at a LGS told me he really likes his Smith M&P 2.0 10mm. I fiddled around with one, and frankly, I really like the ergonomics. I wasn't impressed with the trigger, but Apex makes a good after market trigger kit. I also checked out the FN 510 and the ported Performance Center Smith 10mm. I bought the non-ported Smith with the 4" barrel, and the Sig 320 is headed to Gun Broker. Thank you for the discussion.

XM7 worries from the field.

Jason St John is pretty legit. At least he definitely used to be.

I can see both sides. There is an undeniable "joe" factor that will apply abuse to a piece of equipment that no down select or operator testing can accurately proof. The more poorly trained the user, the more abuse that equipment is going to experience. Joes will cram as many rifles as they can in a tough box, a trained operator will carry his NODs, radio, and pistol in a well padded 1750. Some people call the SF E7 " the most highly paid rifleman in the US Army" as a derogatory term but that selective training and experience does get you something.

I remember the propaganda of "the massive rate of failures" of the M4 coming out in 2005'ish. Quotes from Rangers in the account of QRF'ing at Roberts Ridge. "I got off the helicopter as we were taking fire and returned fire with two rounds and my rifle jammed. I pulled out a cleaning rod I carried for just this issue and cleared the rifle...". I remember reading that in a article that was making the case for the 416. There was a flurry of that stuff for a year or two before fading away. I remember reading that and being amazed at how my experience with the M4 was nothing even remotely close.

I do agree that we need to develop the next generation of weapon systems. Every major state is innovating at a rapid pace. If we think we're just going to stick with the M4 for the next 20 years we're going to be in a state of panic one day and forced to whip out some serious garbage in a reactionary emergency. Right now is not a time to stick your head in the sand when it comes to keeping up with the Joneses. I won't say the current process and cost of how we do that is perfect but it's not like there's a long line of really good credible, privately well funded companies generating the perfect rifle ready to hand it to DOD for free. I really don't have an extreme opinion of SIG one way or the other that people on this site seem to. I don't own a single gun of theirs. But I think they need to iterate in order to develop. When you read St Johns comments, he's absolutely right. Even if we decide to move away from a large frame platform and cartridge and have to start over, DOD needs to learn that lesson. Like a lot of things, success comes from learning from failure.

I wouldn't condemn either side and I also wouldn't get your panties in a wad over teething issues and a series of iterative improvements.

As far as a BN CSM writing a white or information paper, LMAO. Ain't no line BN CSM writing a report. Dudes got 99 problems but he ain't writing papers. And if he did, guess who he would use to do it? A CPT. AKA the " MK 1 MOD III prod generator".
Solid points. I also have no issue with sig. I own or have owned a pile of them, and they were and are all pretty darn good. Their optics are severely underrated. I just don't understand why they felt the need to try a new untested platform. What they thought they needed here was available in easier ways. A 6arc piston ar from a good manufacturer would have been a better idea. They could have kept all of their parts and made a relatively seamless transition. I guess you'd have to worry about Joe stuffing a 5.56 round into the 6arc, but I don't think you could make it fire. The recoil of this cartridge alone makes it a bad idea in my opinion. Joe can't shoot now, so giving them a 500% increase in recoil doesn't seem like a great idea. They better start worrying about issuing them shotguns with a load of 3-1/2" tungsten #2 to shoot down drones. That seems to be the current immediate battlefield threat. Next, they can start teaching them to knife fight so they don't end up going viral for getting stabbed to death by a man with a helmet mounted go pro.

Trump is back…the “Now What” thread

Like I said before, needs to extend all the way to Brownsville.

Let's try using our troops for our own protection for a change.

PRS gas gun matches

The series referred to in Tx is likely called the gas gun show
About:

  • This is a Rifle only match.
  • 8-10 Stages on a one day match. 18-20 Stages for the 2 day Finale.
  • Target size is 2-4 MOA, depending on the difficulty of the shooting position. Ex: Prone position, expect 2 MOA.
  • A portion of the stages will be positional with some movement (approx 10 yards). A few from the same position on multiple targets. Maybe 1 with a little more movement in it.
  • Distance on steel targets will be 200- 700 yards. Come with DOPE out to 1000 for the rare occurrence of that distance.
  • Stage round count is +5 in addition to the minimum numbers of rounds to shoot the stage without misses. Ex: If 15 rounds will let you hit all targets with the required number of hits, the rounds allotted for that stage is 15+5= 20 rounds.
  • Steels targets will be painted a subtle color (gray, black, etc..) so that competitor equity is the same. The target presentation should be the same for the 1st shooter as it is for the last shooter.
  • If targets from 2 or more stages are in the same impact zone, every effort will be made to discern between targets. This could be different shapes, colored backers, target indicator numbers and/or letters.
  • Match Fee- $75. This includes a modest lunch and water.
  • Cash Pot- Those that want to participate can bring an additional $20 cash to put in a pot during registration. There will be a separate pot for each division. The shooter with the best score in their division (assuming they put in $20) will take home the pot.
  • Distances- Match officials will provide distances. Every effort will be exhausted to provide accurate distances. It’s up to competitors to confirm distance prior to shooting (off the clock). No reshoots/score adjustments will be approved for inaccurate distances.
5.2 RECCE Division
Permitted:
.223 Remington or 5.56 only
3,200 ft per second max velocity
Bipod that doesn’t extend beyond 14”. No Sky pods or Tripods
The same bag for the duration of the match.
Max magnification is 10x.
Gas operated gun only



5.3 DMR Division
Permitted:
.223 Remington, 5.56 or .308 Winchester/7.62x51 NATO Only
3,200 ft per second max velocity
No bag or supporting gear limitations
No optic limitations
Gas operated gun only



5.4 Open Division
Permitted:
Any projectile that does not exceed .308 in diameter
3,200 ft per second max velocity
No bag or supporting gear limitations
No optic limitations
Gas operated gun only


5.5 Skills Division
Permitted:
Anything that doesn’t exceed the above limitations in the previous divisions.
Coaching is allowed.
Points series doesn’t count.
Max of 3 matches in this division.
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Sig P320 Paranoia Setting in.

Watch another company secure multiple Gov contracts (big money) and watch the internet descend on them.

It's almost like there is an online PR war against them since they got those contracts.

Let’s see…

M1 - “I’ll keep my Springfield, thank you!”

M14 - “Don’t know why we need it. M1s are battle proven.”

M16 - “Made by Mattel. Bullet is to small.”

M9 - “ Foreign crap, little bullet. Gimme my 1911 “

These are the ones I remember/read. Turn back the clock and we’ll find the 1911 was pooh-poohed as well.