Drew M said:

Thank you for coming back around to share some of this with us,
Like many I have been hoping that this subject would come back into the light.

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Glad to share the details and @obx22 asked a great question.

MB

P.P.S. How many "Sales People" take care of a customr at 7:30 at night (last night unfortunately) when they get a new product (Not ZCO) that is defective? Or that answers the freaking phone on Thanksgiving when I occationally forget to turn my ringer off


-Not a Shill!

Careful how you approach F&G. You dont want it to sound like baiting. Not sure how your regs read but in CO it could be construed as such if that is its sole purpose.

BytorJr said:

Pam Bondi??? WTF? (granted, anybody thinking we'd get a real go-getter with her was smoking that funny shit).

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Andrew Bailey should have been the AG.

Emerson0311 said:

I have been left off target when a non-locking turret was spun accidentally. For me, locking and practice is the way.

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Agree that it can happen, everyone has their own issues, it is good to have choices

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Family got paid off in some form. Maybe some angst left over from their little girl becoming a whore too.

chevy_man said:

Because people would rather complain about a feature than admit they have a training problem.


Maybe I have vice grip hands from using tools all day, but I've never found the need to use more than 2 fingers to unlock, adjust, lock, etc.

I think there's some office workers here with dainty hands...

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I disagree, I work in an industry that tends to idiot proof things ( and we fail once in a while because we are the idiots). Have I ever had the turrets changed no, but when buying new I will get the features that make my life easier. Could I practice my technique and eliminate the chance, probably 85%. Things still can happen. Personally I would rather work on other areas and eliminate annoyances at purchase if I can.

You guys with these solid budgets should take a look at our new 1280 Evolver LRF. I can get you one heck of a deal on one and the performance is awesome.

Powdermonkey4 said:

When there is a lot of noise made by very few and they struggle to clearly describe what, how or even answer basic questions regarding their “failed” scopes, does it surprise you people are not inclined to believe or heavily question what is being sprouted…
Add to that when individuals have many multiple scope failures across multiple brands (substantially higher than seen by other industry players), it would indicate that potentially there is other issues at play outside of scope design deficiencies or manufacture faults.

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Exactly! I feel it's a shame when people can't see through the smoke when facts are provided and it's being looked at as, "Fanboyism."Outside of ZCO themselves, I've sold and have been personally involved with more ZCO's than probably anybody on the planet. I look for trends through a large sample size, not the one off stuff that some people are th most vocal about and regurgitated. On many of these more vocal complaints, I have been directly involved even when it was not my customer. I have PM's and text messages from those instances where I get to hear from both the ZCO customer and Jeff Huber directly. There are two sides to the story and many times only a part of it is posted on the hide, the conclusion is also not updated at the end many times. For years there has been problems with a specific mount that I was able to verify multiple times (When I'm vague there are Reps and Lawyers watching) and many people did not believe me until someone like @koshkin verified it as well. Anything man made can have an issue, any and every scope can get an out of spec part that doesn't get discovered until it gets to the consumer. I've tried to provide some behind the scenes information when possible yet get yelled down as a shill or fanboy many times here. Hell we have a bad review from a Canadian guy who called me for information and all I provided was the best information that I have, apparently he did not like what I had to say and went out of his way to slander us. I have thousands of customers, friends and family on this wonderful place called Snipershide. Typically the people who lash out against cstactical or myself are parroting others or sensitive that I provide facts that they don't like. Why some people take information personally on a forum dedicated to precision rifles and accessories is silly IMO. I'm not saying my opinion is the only one that counts, I'm just providing the best information I have on the much larger samples of information and from the manufacturers themselves (As I am allowed to)
When I see inaccurate information, I do my best to counter it in a respectfull and professional manner despite being personally attacked at times by anonymous people on this forum. Take my information or leave it, we are part of this community for the long haul and we are not just "Sales People" trying to take your money. My number is listed below if anyone needs something or if they want clarification on anything I post.


Not anonymous,

Richard Alves
cstactical.com
916-628-3490


P.S. Does posting this before 6am make me any $$$? No

chevy_man said:

Because people would rather complain about a feature than admit they have a training problem.


Maybe I have vice grip hands from using tools all day, but I've never found the need to use more than 2 fingers to unlock, adjust, lock, etc.

I think there's some office workers here with dainty hands...

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I have been left off target when a non-locking turret was spun accidentally. For me, locking and practice is the way.

My first new ZCO arrived with the illumination dead. I called Jeff and it was back fixed in less than a week ( I do live relatively close to them). Things happen, the key is how good is the response. Since that one I have not had a failure, but I do baby my gear. I never had a failure with my nightforce ATCARs either.

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TicTacTex said:

Did you hit the report button on him?

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Sure did

bobby1028 said:

We can get very frustrated, or waste alot of time and money chasing the holy grail of 22lr consistency. I don't know that I've yet to see tangible results from anyone that could definitively pick a barrel length, twist, or chamber that clearly offers an advantage. Same goes for ammo. Brand, speed, ES/SD, take it all with a grain of salt. Just tested new to me lot of SKRM and Lapua long range. Chrono numbers were impressive with the SK...ES/SD average 10/4...better than the avg with the Lapua. Both printed good 50yd 10 shot groups. At 225yds on 6in plates the Lapua went 18 for 20, the 2 misses were close, I gave em to wind gusts. The SK went 3 for 20, and the misses were high/low, some as much as a full Mil ! Doesn't jive with the chrono results and 50yd groups eh ! At the end of the day I trust the results on paper more than any other factors. Find a good lot that agrees with your barrel and shoot it. If your barrel is good and ignition is consistent I don't know what else you can chase anymore.

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I have had exactly the same experience with SK. I’ve got several bricks sitting unused because of that.

Josh Umsted said:

Athlon Helos 6-24? How much with that included?

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That is correct. Scope, Area 419 30 MOA mount, Vortex rings, Send-it level, 90* mount for send it, Brandt ocular housing. $1100. additional (All brand new)

22LR ammo often even looks inconsistent to the naked eye. That being said, I’ve seen some pretty amazing groups from some barrels and actions. With so many variables it’s hard to pin it down.

sirhrmechanic said:

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/soldier-colorado-nightclub-immigration-raid-charged-distributing-cocaine-121373527

So the soldier is Staff Sgt. Juan Gabriel Orona-Rodriguez....

Cocaine distribution...

This is the face of a Staff Sergeant. An E-6.

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Yeah, that's who we should have leading troops and serving as a platoon sergeant... Neck tats Hood Rat 'stache and all... Oh, I am sure it is a culture thing....

Just like under Carter... when the Army is badly led and suffers from poor morale after abandoning a long fight where they won the battles while the home front lost the war(s)... The army reverts to scumbags, drugs and malaise. In the 1970's there were places on ships where officers were afraid to go... and Army bases were like drug-supermarkets.

Don't get me wrong, there were a ton of amazing folks who 'endured' the '75 - 1981 mess. They became the backbone of the professional force that began to take hold from 1981... and their professionalism both attracted and trained and inspired a lot of best and brightest up until about 2009... when the anti-war movement and Obama's BS started to make the option look less-than-attractive.

And there are a ton of amazing folks still in .Mil now. But there are also a ton of incompetents, gang members, criminals, dykes, shitbags, fags, illiterate trash, etc. And it only takes a few percent to turn the whole military into a place where the 'best and brightest' don't want to go for a career as an officer or NCO. And Garbage in. Garbage out.

Weed these scum out. Staff Sergeant Juan Valdez Pepe Corona Rodrigueeeeez beaner coke dealer is the tip of the iceberg. Need to energize the professional cadre of quality NCO's and the few remaining 'non-litmus-test' good officers to clean house.

Sirhr

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Cloward-Piven is working great. Those 2 were evil, but sharp as tacks.

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MrSmith said:

I'm not as knowledgeable as most of the posters but:

I don't see any rifling engraved on the slugs. There are scratches but nothing that looks like lands and grooves.

That cauliflower on the OD just forward of the boat tail looks like blow-by to me.

Worth what you paid.

Thank you,
MrSmith

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Bullets we’re pulled, not shot.

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