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Bullgator said:
Which is another question what is considered a good group at 300 yards for a old one eyed man?
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There is no true one number answer for 300yds. The answer is dependent on many factors. A better question is what do you need and what can you consistently shoot at 100yds. At 100yds external ballistic factors, such as environmental play very little into the group size, it is primarily internal ballistics, rifle harmonics, and SHOOTER. Your goal at 300 is 3x whatever YOU can do at 100yds. Likely very difficult to achieve but still the goal. Shooting a 80 round group and picking on two shots tells you next to nothing about anything other than the fact that as the shot count increases the extreme spread is going to increase. If you are a competitive shooter then the shot count that matters is whatever string count in a relay you shoot for record. Anything beyond that is noise.
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Bedding question

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I had a Ruger ultra-lite 257Roberts that I was having accuracy problems with. I know, what did I expect, right?

Anyway, I did the bedding and the rifle was better but not as good as I liked. All I wanted out of the rifle was something near 1MOA. It is a hunting rifle and 1MOA was more than good enough for 300yds or less.

After becoming disgusted with the rifle, I needed to ask for ideas for what could be wrong with the rifle. a forum member told me about how Rugers are very torque sensitive.

I followed the procedure of tightning the trigger guard screw to 10lbs torque and then started torquing the lug screw.

I was told to start around 25 foot pounds on the lug screw and shoot a group.

It worked. My 257 Roberts requires a torque of 15 ft lbs for the rear guard screw and 45 foot lbs for the lug screw.

Maybe checking your rifle's manufacture's torque specifications? Maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree?
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Vudoo closed the doors…

David Lott
Dead Eye Dick said:
Dang, it was more fun when we were discussing tractors and sailing. Honestly, I must have missed something. First we were discussing a really poor (make that really, really poor) way to handle a move. Treating customers not with disdain, just plain ignoring them. They we were into tractors. Just about any of us who farmed can do maintenance on our tractors, but my thought, just because I can change oil does not mean I can do a credible job and threading and chambering a barrel. Then, I tried to steer us to sailing. A wonderful sport that has some of the worst assholes and finest people all mixed together. Finally, we are now railing against Benchrest people.

I suppose, in the end, spending thousands upon thousands on equipment to punch holes in paper would tend to make folks a bit off center, when they realize a 2 buck hole puncher from Walmart, actually does a much better job.

so, lets get back to sex. Now that’s a subject I can get ‘into.’ :D.
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it makes Smokey Yunick look like an honest race car builder. (If the rules don’t say you can’t, means you can :D. ).
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There is nothing special about threading/chambering a barrel on a lathe, whether manual or CNC. There are thousands of men and shops capable of doing it, if they so desired (key word here). The special part comes from thinking like a hotrodder, like someone mentioned above.
1st, you have to have the desire
2nd, you have to CARE to do it right,
3rd, you have to KNOW WHY you are doing it !!!
If you want, you can come to my shop and I will show you how easy it is, IF you WANT to learn(again key words).
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3x magnifiers

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DeaconBlue said:
Yeah that’s what I’m finding out in the magnifier world. I might change my mind but sort of what’s drawing me to the Trijicon is it seems to check most all the boxes:
Acceptable glass
Good name, good warranty, should be robust enough
Basically copy of Eotech mount which I like
Seems to get positive checks for eye relief
Decently priced coming with the mount
Not priced so high I’ll hate myself if it’s just meh

But after realizing the Trijicon mount probably isn’t gonna work well for flipping to the left, I looked up the full size Juliet3 and although it’s like twice the weight of the Trijicon it looks promising and I’m going to research it more. I’ve been fairly pleased with the Sig optics I have. With it being like 1.25” longer, it’ll likely set back far enough to get decent eye relief. One thing I can’t stand about Sig optics is they refuse to list all the damn specs. Some scopes they won’t list length and magnifiers don’t list eye relief spec although I’ve seen it claimed elsewhere it’s 2.5”.
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Yep, with the Trijicon, its gonna be like any other compact magnifier. I'm a small guy band for me, putting the ocular about even with the castle nut works well. I can use the magnifier without having to actually make love to my rifle.

I dont worry too much about weight. I run mine on a qd mount and it only goes on when I need it. If the sig doesn't float your boat, check out the G33. Lots of mounting options there.
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More fun with 308 Win

wvfarrier
Ok so i have more updates.

With PP2000MR I made it to 48.4 grains and quit there. I got a mild bolt stick at the very top of the lift, just enough to cause a hitch. Brass still looks good, these 30 pieces are at 9 firings, primers are still tight. I have been annealing after every firing. Also the previous session required trimming about .08 off.
48-averaged 2677 with 1.15" group
48.2- averaged 2683 with .75"
48.4- averaged 2704 and exactly 1" with mild bolt stick

1 more varget load got tested as well.
45.2- averaged 2686 and .89" no bolt issues or brass issues. May try another load of 45.4
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Beyond Pissed Applied Ballistics Licensing

DocUSMCRetired
USMC22 said:
@DocUSMCRetired mentioned “per government contract” it is designed by necessity to not need “the internet”. This prohibits that mode of “authentication”…. But…. Wait for it…. The new App when paired to a kestrel elite gives you kestrel elite access for 30 days.

These guys are doing more math and processing at such a level that changing an “internal” serial number shouldn’t create the amount of ass pain it does.

And on a side note… because a government agency wants something should not make it the standard of service. On a consistent and predictable basis I had to purchase mission essential shit to be operationally ready because I couldn’t count on “the supply chain system” working. This ranged from comfort items to mission essential (read keep you alive) shit.

I hold @DocUSMCRetired with high regard for the simple fact he was an FMF Corpsman. I had great “Docs”. I think more than anything that’s why I was disappointed with the “canned bullshit” answers.
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When a government agency pays for the development of a software, they get to pick and choose how it works and who gets to use it. These responses are not canned bullshit, I have been here since 2014. These are from my internal knowledge of how things work.

Since we self developed AB Quantum in house, we get to choose how it works etc.
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