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straightshooter1 · Aug 7, 2025

Bullgator said:
So I watched the podcast by Hornady titled your groups are to small today. So I had about 80 rounds of new Gun Werks brass loaded that needed shooting so I shot a 80 shot string at 300 yards . My ES was 137.9 fps. and my SD was 36.7 average feet per second was 3309.7 .
With my Horizon 22creedmoor my question is what should I expect them to be and does it really matter as long as my group was good ? Which is another question what is considered a good group at 300 yards for a old one eyed man?

So, what did you group measure that you got at 300 yds.?

At 300 yds. I'd consider a "good group" to be ~1.5" or less.

An ES of 138 and an SD of 36.7 is pretty bad, in my book. I once had an 50 shot ES of 97 with an SD of 33 when testing a new primer. That was the worst I've ever gotten. When fire forming some new Alpha brass, 80 shots gave me an ES of 29 with an SD of 6.2 that produced .418 MOA group ( this being out of a .308 Ruger Precision Rifle, but with a Krieger barrel). Typically my high round counts yield SD's in the single digits. The factory ammo (mostly match grade) I've fired has yielded SD in the mid teens and ES's no worse than 50.

Hope this gives you some perspective. . .???

stevieb92 · Aug 7, 2025

Yeah, I wish I could hit an opt out button for emails and the extraneous messages.

lariat · Aug 7, 2025

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We currently don’t have the herds to produce all of the meat that is needed, especially with the screw worm issue. Given the already high beef prices this cuts both ways. The consumer will pay when the price of cattle continues to climb and ranchers that go to the bank to buy cattle will feel the pinch too.

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acourvil · Aug 7, 2025

matt33 said:
I just started using a lot of h4350, although I have used it in the past. In the past 41.5 grains of h4350 with Hornady 140 ELD-M's from several years ago would give me around 2,720 FPS from a 24 inch accuracy international in 6.5 CM.

In a newer lot of h4350 that I recently loaded, the same 41.5 grains gave me well over 2,800 FPS.

I'm not sure if the newer lots are actually significantly hotter, but they seem to be for me. I dropped down to 40.5 grains with a 140 Hornady eld-m, it gave great accuracy and about 2,750 FPS with really good ES and SD.

Not sure if you measure it, but how much moisture is in the powder will affect how hot it shoots. I try to keep my powder between 45-50% humidity.

Harman117 · Aug 7, 2025

Take a picture and post it! Let's see that 80 round group

RAVAGE88 · Aug 7, 2025

BillZ said:
Hi Mike,
I have no problem closing the bolt, it is very smooth. I started out at 2&3/4 turns, 20lb spring. Laupa had no failure to fire , Eley Tennex had a few. Moved it out to 3, Ely few FTF, moved out 4. At 4 i shot two Eley X-shot targets with center-x and had the two best targets my V22s has ever shot. 250/250 x18 calculated group 9.03mm and 249/250 x18 group 9.79mm. I am going to go back to 2 turns, where it did contact the stop with nothing in the chamber and see if I can replicate my two targets. The bolt will not close on the .045 chamber gauge, .044 is tight, .043 is smooth , .042 is the same as nothing in the chamber.

HHhhhmmmm, interesting. When you say .044 is tight, does that mean it's tight and the bolt doesn't close or it's tight and the bolt closes?

VGW created the Eley ignition problems with looser headspace specs than what I handed to them, so your Eley ignition issue isn't likely associated with the fire control tuning.

MB

Evolution 9 · Aug 7, 2025

Dogtown said:
Yeah, in all fairness, I don't think I ever actually did comprehensive POA/POI impact shift testing with these. With both the Skeet and the Voodoo-S, I noticed that with the e-reticle enabled, I would see a shift of the display when grabbing the device and giving it some torque. I just thought "well that sucks" and used it for the time being until I switched to the CTM. In hindsight, I get your point and realize that I should have done some actual accuracy/consistency testing, but even though I saw the issue, I was still heating steel without major issues. It just felt weird flipping to side and back, and the e-reticle never returning to alignment with the optic reticle.

Mmm...that's some tasty crow I'm dining on now....

lol, no, I’ve seen the same thing and had concerns. If you’re using the internal reticle it’s definitely a concern, and while I don’t know anyone who uses the lasers for aiming, it would be a concern for that too. So depending on your intended use, a different mount could be warranted.

RTH1800 · Aug 7, 2025

Let me verify what they are and I still have them. Back this evening with all the inquiries.
Thanks!

rjacobs · Aug 7, 2025

Its from Mod/staff... you cant shut them off... I agree its a bit annoying.

supercorndogs · Aug 7, 2025

Conversely if the homeowner didn't shoot at them he would likley still be alive also.

reelserious · Aug 7, 2025

If you want to shoot short range like 0-300 you can shoot the Hornady 60 grain flat base as the ogive is way out there and try that. I have used that combo on several long chambered guns.

secondofangle2 · Aug 7, 2025

Yeah, you take the highly capable 50 BMG round, you neuter the barrel, make it lightweight (26#) with brutal recoil (three (3!) port brake), and install a 3 1/2 pound trigger and call it a “ELR“ rig. Which is flat out silly unless Hummers/APCs at 1000 yards is your idea of “ELR“. More like an “extreme flinch generation” rig.

Now the idea of switch barrel for 375 might make it a viable rig, but you’re gonna pay 15 K for the 50 caliber version while you await a $5000 or more conversion kit?

DarnYankeeUSMC · Aug 7, 2025

DeathBeforeDismount said:
Waiting for the usual faggot to come in this thread and tell us how the cops murdered this poor innocent man.

I would summon him but he is like Herpes....just wont go away.

If they weren't enforcing grass heights the interaction wouldn't have happened. Homeowner would still be alive.
But you allow one person to not cut their lawn to specifications it'll lead to drug dealing then murders and total anarchy and chaos.
Fuck off with your stoooopidity. Don't you have some boots to lick?

tlg308 · Aug 7, 2025

I’ve got a Kelbly Black Bear (same as Prometheus but flat bottom). It’s crazy smooth and the bolt lift is one of the nicest. I do think Terminus makes the best 60 degree action though. If you want a 90 degree the Kelby is pretty nice. Kelbly is a tank too.

c1steve · Aug 7, 2025

I have been getting them as well. Try to stop them, do not see a method.

black5.3 · Aug 7, 2025

Would you be willing to part with the rmr hd?

lash · Aug 7, 2025

Nope. Never. And I’ve been on here since 2008 or so, despite what my start date says.

Do you place a lot of ads in the PX? Or WTB ads?

kcshooter · Aug 7, 2025

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