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Join contest SubscribeI agree that Eliminator 7 or PS Gen 2 will be a baby of the two. I think for hunting eliminator will keep its style but the next gen PS will borrow the lrf from eliminator series and make an all in one adjustable prs/nrl scope. From there I think the tech will just need to improve the glass. Size and loons wise they figured it out. Maybe adjustable wind like the pz elevation turret will be cool tooThe Burris PS isn't the end all of optics, but it's working towards the future or where they're headed.
1) I like that it will work just fine as a mechanical optic. I'm not interested in something that must have a battery to dial.
2) Glass is very usable, in line with the 5-30 XTR3.
3) Weight is good at 37oz for what all it offers.
1) Don't like that you must use the app to set up and update ballistics.
2) zero stop on mine stops minus .1 with no way to adjust.
3) If you're too close in-between say 2.33 and 2.36mil it will flicker back and forth between them which is annoying. It's caught my eye a few times when I'm not looking for it.
In the end I believe it's step in optic evolution. This and the Eliminator 6 having a baby would be ideal. The ability to get atmospherics, range, and auto adjust all in one.
Just like the phone I type this on at one time was reserved for a building and or large vehicle the ranging and sighing systems used in land, air, and sea vehicles will eventually fit in a small optic.(and actually work well)
From what I heard the eliminator 6 is no vortex razor or a 2-3k optic glass but it is ED glass and is pretty impressive (review is from here). Yes if battery is dead or you can’t get a solution (say poor weather for lrf) you can’t get a dope. The Eliminator 6 is a sfp but it’s kind of a hybrid. The elevation impact point changes the hold based on Magnification so even though reticle stays the same, the impact changes.I could see where it would be nicer to dial corrections while looking through the optic than trying to dial based on the elevation knob. It also means that say a throw lever, mount etc. obstructing your view of windage/elevation is no longer an issue.
Especially for those of us who are old and our far vision is still great, but near vision has gone to shit, because swapping to reading glasses to make elevation adjustments is horrible, and the magnifying elevation devices I've seen have all been fragile. I have no problem seeing a reticle but seeing numbers on some elevation dials is almost impossible.
I will say I think the weakness of the PS is that there's no direct connection to a range finder, for hunting. That's where something like the Eliminator 6 or Sig BDX has an advantage. The advantage to the PS, is you can still dial it like a regular scope, and use the reticle for holdovers. You can't do that with the Eliminator 6 or Sig Sierra 6 BDX because their reticles are not marked, you can do it with the Sig Easy 6 BDX, but it's still SFP so your reticle is only accurate at one magnification.
The Eliminator 6 seems more geared to hunting and more similar to the Sig Line (minus the rangefinder). I've ran a couple of the Sig's on hunting rifles and they are okay, glass quality is abysmal for the price point, you give up a ton of optical quality for the electronics in it. Its optical quality is about the same as a $300 optic, but it's handy to range a target and just have the optic illuminate a solution. The other issue with the Sig is the reticle is very thick because it has to work with the illumination points. Can't say for an eliminator 6 but I'd assume it's similar. Meanwhile the PS has a normal reticle because it's not having to illuminate dozens of points on it.
I still don’t get it. You lase with wmlrf and it says 743 yards and 5.1 up.You can have the HUD read out in yds. So lase the target 743yds, dial the turret to 743yds while looking through the scope. Your head doesn't need to move. You can do it all in position if you have a wmlrf.
That is why training is so important, your body knew how much it could press. Some will say you could do the same with a single stage, I don’t agree totally but it is similar to my use of the first stage in matches.Weird and anecdote, but...
Almost a decade and half ago, I was on a rescue mission in a hostile area. I was the first to encounter the guy we were there for. It happened so abruptly that I almost took the guy as a threat. My safety was off, slack was taken out of the [mil-spec] trigger, and my dot was high center mast on this dude. I almost wasted him, thank God I didn't. I noticed what he was wearing and my brain caught up. While taking pressure off the trigger, I hailed an identifier question at him to verify it was him. We were good. I had enough training on that particular piece of crap mil-spec trigger that I could take some slack up on it in preparation to break a shot or not. That is not the case with all mil-spec triggers or single stage triggers in my experience. Had I a single stage trigger or a different mil-spec trigger, that dude might be dead.
My thought process is that a good two stage trigger would give even more confidence in any circumstance where one might need to "stage for a shot" but then wait to make a decision, particularly under stress.
I am curious on your thoughts though.
Weird and anecdote, but...I was actually taught that a 2 stage trigger was good when using non-duty light competition triggers on duty guns. Specifically in the instances when you might be indexing a sector of fire after engaging a threat target to engaging another threat target. The first stage allows your finger to be in some sort of space without being on the wall. But over the years as I've thought about that concept you are really splitting hairs in a situation where you might be pointing a gun at something or someone you don't want to destroy with your rifle on fire and finger on the trigger. It's is one rare scenario where you might find yourself in what is normally a throbbing red violation of basic weapons handling and gun safety. But what a shitty reason for a particular type of trigger.