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Guess we will know in the morning? *update*

NOBODY in the entire government and political system is willing to actually do the cuts that would be needed to live within a budget of what the government takes in and not needing to live on debt.

(and NO the demonrats constant mantra of "raise taxes on the "rich"" wouldn't make more than a tiny dent in the issue)

The right wing side loves the glorious uniforms and military and being the new Rome and killing folks all over the world
The left wing side loves giving taxpayer money to everybody except the hard working, taxpaying citizens.

The interest alone on our existing Federal debt is so huge, it is almost the biggest budget block expense.

There would be no way to raise taxes enough to "balance the budget".
The government could go super evil and steal all the money from everybody and totally crash the economy and destroy the country and it still wouldn't be enough.

You would need radical and drastic changes, including going back to a military that just does homeland defense and isn't playing Neo Roman Empire.

It would require an end to all social welfare programs and all handouts "for the children" and such.
(Social Security would be fine, it currently runs essentially even in the Ponzi scheme, but it would have to be limited to ONLY those citizens and lawful permanent residents who actually paid in, none of this siphoning off money for healthcare for illegals)

It would require a complete end to ALL foreign aid of any type for anyone. (And we all know with Israel controlling our government and many of our politicians being more loyal to their Israeli citizenship than to their USA citizenship, that's not going to happen)

It would require essentially getting rid of a huge amount of government workers, such as ALL those in the departments dealing with "social welfare and social assistance".

It would mean no more grants to the States to empower Uniform Hangers or pay for free food or such for others.
It would require no more benefits at all for illegals.

In short nobody in politics has the will to do so because ALL they care about is power and staying in power.

So it will go on and the debt will go up until one day it all hits the wall and there is some huge economic crash and hyper inflation and it all resets after all the common folk lose everything and the rich and bankers grab it all. Then folks can be allowed to go slave away again to try to earn back what they once had.

It's coming and it's the only way this ever ends.

Debt is what takes down most empires.
Oh it could end if men would be men and do what is right. But yes, I believe your assessment is spot on.
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Magpul - 2025 New Maztech X4-FCS & X4-LRF

That depends on if you like the Burris E6 or not. The benefit of the FCS is you can choose your optic/reticle which imo is the most important factor of a scope. Doesn't matter how good the glass is or what technology/features it has. If I do not like the reticle I am not going to want to use it.

*15K model not 4K model. My bad*
But you're limited to 10x. Also I am not a 100% on this, but when you place the HUD infront of your high end lens, now if that HUD is the weakest link, you aren't going to get the image quality you're used to (I assume it uses a mirror system, but still passes through their glass)

lastly for the reticle discussion. the Maztech gives you a POI dot, so I would say your choice is reticle is less relevant since it's doing the math for you (including wind with this which the E6 can't do, except give you a hold based on what you put in the HUD).

I'm being a devil's advocate here. I'd give me left nut for one of those.

I really wanted this unit (I want a AIO LRF/POI solution for a scope) but this is just wayyyy out of my (and many people's) budget I think.

DNT Thermnight

Anyone using them here?

I've been watching videos, and I really want to purchase a 335R. I feel 225R is little low on quality beyond few hundred yards. 635 is too much money, so 335 kind of in the middle.

With the built in LRF and day/IR combo, I've watched people make 1st shot hits out to 800...

Device just seems impressive, I haven't found any negative posts/reviews about it.

so just curious, if anyone is using one of these and what you think of them?

I am not a hunter, but a big gadget guy and would like to get this to mess around with, and maybe enter a match with one to be the odd guy lol

The Mangione Effect: 2 dead Jewish Embassy Staffers

Just about everybody is good with violence against tangentially related targets as being fine to achieve a political or moral goal.


The government of the USA pretty much lives by that and does it all over the world
The government of Israel pretty much is a state religion of that
The Arab world is a state religion ruled by that principle
Everybody else is like "what do you mean there are people you shouldn't kill? We never got that memo."


Anyone on the "right wing" side that disagrees, had better go check their comment history for the past 30 years as our country killed or caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands or more to achieve various power and control goals (and make Israel happy). I'll bet most all of the comments from those "right wing" types are all about how they had it coming because they didn't overthrow their government for us and willingly install a puppet USA state.


Same as with the whole "business" the Israelis are doing in the Gaza strip, most on here are fine with however many civilians are killed or starved to death or such or forced into life threatening poverty, because "well they are a bunch of dirty arabs anyways".


It's just a matter of scale:
One on one: lots of folks get all upset and call it evil and wrong
Group on group: some folks get all upset and call it evil and wrong
Glorious armies of Uniforms on those evil other skin/race/religion types: hey it's the best thing and most patriotic and just thing ever.


It's just the way the world is the entire history of the world.
Most folks that wind up dying in struggles are folks that are not actual direct combatants or direct players in things.

The "glorious" war of WWII that so many "right wing folks" wax all lyrical about was actually one of the most savage of all wars in that regards and the "victors" were even more ruthless than the "losers" when it came to killing folks only extremely tangentially related, including direct attacks primarily on civilians.
I'll agree to a point, but I don't think you really believe there is no good or evil and no right vs wrong, and it's never worth fighting because good and evil are just a point of view. I don't get the sense that you are that much of a solipsistic relativist. I just think it is often complicated, and fallen creatures are never the pure beings that fanatics want them to be. You can have a healthy dose of your post, but at the end of the day many (or even most in some places) are forced to choose, and pure pragmatism can't survive when the actual killing starts. We all have to choose, but we can do so with eyes wide open, and preserve our own humanity by refusing fanaticism and choosing to be and do good with the only being we actually control. You don't have to justify your actions after the fact, or retreat to fanaticism to do so. You can choose to be a person for whom the ends do not justify the means. That spirit of self sacrifice permeates the West and western philosophy both in history and in our myths.

That is why it is so vastly superior to all the others and the recipe for a society to advance, learn, and build rather than fall to rancor and destroy.
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New Berger 375 bullet 410 hybrid

@secondofangle2 I've only seen you shoot them at 100 (maybe I'm wrong)

Sorting anything is only going to help with long range shots. On a 390 A-tip at 1000 yards you are looking at a 5% bc difference to make .1 Mil vertical.
I shot them at 2050 and 2267. Vertical was spectacular all misses but one were wind. But, wind is generally bad and was real bad that day where I shoot so I can’t show a spread on a target

And sorry I was spicy last night. Just finished a 7-day stretch at work
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PortaJohn

None of this fixes anything permanently. They will be back with the next presidency unless legislation is put forth about politicians not being able to accept campaign money from lobbyists. That's got a low likelihood of happening. He can make all the statements he wants, but statements do nothing, especially for things we already knew existed and legislators are benefitting from.

The Mangione Effect: 2 dead Jewish Embassy Staffers

Eh, no, I wouldn't go that far. I think that they certainly would have up to October 7th, but prior to that the left had generally said, "Yea, Hamas is bad, but those poor "Palestinians" are victims of Hamas too". In order to do that you have to ignore the three generations of Hamas' totalitarian control in Gaza, and the fact that once the Hamas commandos were finished murdering Jews the people of Gaza poured over the border and most of the rapes, torture, and mutilation of Israelis were not carried out by Hamas comandos, who basically just tried to murder as many as fast as possible in true pogrom fashion, but by Gazan civilians nourished for generations on Hamas propaganda and hatred. After October 7th, there is just no question as American sympathizers chant Hamas slogans and chant to globalize the intifada. It's become a mirror organization. It's no longer an American Leftist thing at all. These people are Hamas.

It's the whole red/green alliance. The "far left", which is simply a euphemism for communists and their CRT (communism applied to race instead of prol/bourgy) has absolutely zero in common with the Jihadists on every level, fundamental or otherwise, EXCEPT their hatred for the West, western values, and bedrock American ideals of individual liberty and the rule of law. Their whole philosophy is based on a virtually random perception of oppressor/oppressed, and that's what they try to pass as "morality", even though on the simplest philosophical level if fails utterly. This diseased "morality" is why they side with MS13, and criminals against American citizens. It literally explains all their views and behaviors, and it IS what they are taught in collage classes.

On the necesity of destroying the entire West is the one thing they are completely united with the Jihadis, and this makes us their mutual enemy. This is the only reason they've made common cause with the Jihadists. It is the only reason there is a Gays for Gaza even when they would be almost immediately executed if they ever set foot there. Weak people are often forced to side with people they would naturally be enemies with when faced with a mutual, stronger enemy, and that is simply human nature. The whole thing is gobsmackingly simplistic, which is why it works for the kind of mental midgets who adhere to it, as if real morality was just too difficult for them!

6 ARC Longevity

If anyone has any questions about it's efficacy on deer, don't. I've killed a dozen or more deer with it, my nephews a few more, and my buddies have killed dozens more. It's absolutely plenty of cartridge to kill deer. I prefer the 103 eld-x for deer, but I've used 105gr and 108gr factory ammo from Hornady, and they work fine as well. I'm going to load some 95gr sst this fall, and I think it may be the sweet spot for deer.
I'm certain it would, just like anything I've shot with .300, 6.5G, 6.8, etc, they all died the same. Great to have a "mainstream" caliber, one that's actually adopted.

Firearms Pair of Walther PDP Steel Frames with available extras.

Pair of Walther PDP Steel Frames with upgrades.

Brace of USPSA ready steel frames ready to go.
Great guns with very nice triggers.
Have decided to go in another direction.

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Gun with blue grips. 1695 rounds

3 stock 20 mags, with AL base plates.
Stock grips, magwell, sights
Stock pistol for $1650

Holosun 507 Comp red. w/ ZRTS Optic Plate Add $250
LOK palm swell bogies Add $75
ZRTS 15lbs. PDP Captured Guide Rod Add $50
ZRTS Long stroke guide Add $75
2 stock 18 rounders. Add $60


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Gun with green grips. 1611 rounds

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3 stock 18round mags with AL base plate.
Stock grips, magwell, sights
Stock pistol for $1650

Holosun 507 Comp red. w/ installed plate and spare Walther plate Add $250
LOK palm swell bogies Add $75
ZRTS 15lbs. PDP Captured Guide Rod Add $50
ZRTS Long stroke guide Add $75
2 stock 18 rounders. Add $60

Holsters available:

Huron Carbon Fiber Boss Holster by Long's Shadow Holster Add $100
with Baller Ball Joint:Yes
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1 × Comp-Tac International DOH Dropped & Offset Holster Add $40

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FTF if in NC. All others from my FFL to yours.
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SOLD Browning Maxus II 12 gauge

Shot one round of skeet with it, looks brand new still. 3 extended chokes & all accessories included in the case.

- 12 gauge
- 3.5” chamber
- Mossy Oak Original Bottomland

$1100 shipped
Zelle for payment

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The Mangione Effect: 2 dead Jewish Embassy Staffers

So they were bleeding hearts who would've marched in the same sorts of protests as the lefty wacko who shot them. It seems liberals have created a monster in all these ANTIFA BLM groups and it's coming back to bite them.


Captured during the tail end of the Floyd riots of 2020:

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It was when that dropped that many of the older liberal activists realized that they had truly incubated and hatched a Medusa from the "progressive" egg that they had been cradling since the 1980s. The new crop of "activists" want only action, excitement, blood, and chaos, and they are more than willing to string up their own creators for cheap thrills.
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