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But to be a “son” one must be born…
No son does not mean that. To be a son is a relational thing. How can you call someone who is adopted your son? It’s not that you have birth to him or that he is of your flesh, it is his relationship to you. In the same way, how can we be called sons of God? God does not birth us, rather it is our relationship to him

Also there are spiritual beings that are not born in the OT who are called sons of God. Son-ship does not equal birth

So the eternal Son is not the son because the Father birthed him, the eternal Son is a son because of his relationship to the Father. This language is by Jesus himself to put into human family terms the closeness of the eternal relationship in the Godhead

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Correct, I do not understand the trinity, because as the Bible clearly states, I am made in the image of God and I am not triune. I am one person. I am a father, I’m a husband, I’m a friend, I’m a truck driver etc. but that doesn’t make me multiples. It means I am one person that is doing different jobs. God does the EXACT same thing. He is the Father. He fathered a son miraculously then he put that flesh on and walked among us. He was hungry, tired, happy, sad, and even tempted. Just like you and I for us to see that we can do it too. I don’t understand the trinity, but I am not confused as to who God is.
No what you are describing is called modalism and is not what is going on in the Bible. Further you seem to misunderstand what it means to be made in God’s image. That does not mean you somehow have God’s nature, it means you are his representative here as being an image ment in the ancient world.

Also yes you are one person and not multiple, but this is because you are not of a divine nature. You do not have the same attributes or the divine nature

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But how can eternal be born? Jesus had a beginning at his physical birth. So was Jesus divine flesh that could do no sin? Was Jesus present at creation? If so then how did he die? Can a God die?
No Jesus was not present at creation, the eternal Son was. Jesus is the union of the Nature of the Eternal Son with human nature. Jesus’ death on the cross was physical death, not spiritual death, so no God did not die

Rifle Scopes Zeiss S5 vs the Zero Comp optics quality

So true. I owned a Vortex AMG once, and I utterly despised its mil reticle but had convinced myself that I had liked it on paper. Yeesh.

But I love their somewhat similar EBR-2C/2D variants. Go figure.

Shit, forgot to mention the MSR2 in the S&B. Growing on me, on paper at least. That could be one of the few non-tree rets that provide enough holds (exactly one! 1 mil down, 1 mil wind) to cover 80% of my shooting.
I have the MSR 2 in my Steiner. Its very good. As for non tree reticles, I was really liking the P5FL in the Schmidts. But now that Schmidt has gone insane with their pricing again, im no longer interested.

Comparing the features and reticle though, I see the Schmidt as a downgrade from the S5.

BC Correction

Thank you, that's a bunch of useful information.

The sky screens are not really an option at the shooting locations I have available.

I'm past trying to find BCs as an eternal truth for all ranges for each gun. I'm after shot to shot BC variations and how they change with barrel wear or chamber configurations. Calculating differences and differences of differences only amplifies noise. What I'm doing now gives useful insights but has limitations.

I'll look into the System 89 again.
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None of those show me how there can be three co-equal, co-eternal, co-existent gods that make up one deity? How can one God have all power but share it equally with two others? How can Jesus pre exist (as trinitarians believe) and still be born of a virgin? “I am God, and beside me there is no other.” Sounds pretty clear to me. He said that no man can see him and live, and He had to fulfill the law and the covenant so made a human body that he put on like a robe and walked this earth for 33 years and died to redeem us from our transgressions. We could get into the discussion on if Jesus could have sinned. I bet that would get entertaining.
Well your first sentence shows you do not understand the trinity. The doctrine of the trinity does not say there are three gods. There is one divine nature God, in three co-equal, co-eternal persons: God the Father, God the Son (Jesus Christ), and God the Holy Spirit. These three persons share one essence or nature, but are distinct in their roles and relationships.

These roles and relationships are what we see directly in the scriptures.



The Father Initiates and directs the plan of salvation, sends the Son and the Holy Spirit, is the source of all things

The Son (Jesus) becomes incarnate and redeems humanity through his life, death, and resurrection, is the Word of God and the means by which creation was made, and Intercedes for humanity.


The Holy Spirit empowers believers to live according to God's will, convicts, teaches, and leads, and sanctifies and dwells within believers.

Additionally in the scriptures we see each person of the trinity is individually given the honors, attributes, names, deeds and seat of God.



Now we as limited humans do not fully understand how this works. We in no way could fully understand how the inner workings of the eternal relationship of the God head. It is rather arrogant to assume that you could fully understand God in that way. There is no logical contradiction that exists and we see the tenants of the Trinity in scripture, so we embrace the mystery.

Now to Jesus. He is the eternal Son who is fully divine. During the incarnation he took on human nature. He is now both fully God and fully man in one person without confusion or separation. This is called Chalcedonian Christology or the hydrostatic union. Without his fully divine nature he could not have lived a sinless life. Without his fully human nature he could not have been our representative, the new Adam, that atoned for all man kind.