I collect scopes like others collect watches. Variety is interesting. My hunting rifles currently wear:

TT315M
ATACR 4-16x42
Swarovski Z8i 2-16x50
S&B Polar 3-12x54
ZCO420

They will all meet your criteria. The ATACR is an incredible value, and is probably the one that will most easily be found in your price range. It's the best scope NF makes in my opinion and is very underrated. If durability is your top priority (it is near the top for me as well), it should be the default answer.

I agree with @Secant though. The TT315M is my all time favorite scope. It is the Goldilocks answer for a hunting rifle (and many other use cases as well). I am also loving the ZCO420, but the TT is much lighter.

With your budget I would get a used ATACR 4-16x42.

theLBC said:

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Not an accident. This is the depopulation agenda in action, with aside of pharma/medical field profiteering.

nkk said:

What is it with boomers addiction to Twitter and Facebook as news sources

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We call them "The Deceived."

They struck out at life and they're looking for someone or something to blame. Reality is uncomfortable for them, so they look for someone to lie to them, because it helps them create an alternate world to go live in- online.

In this world, Trump won the 2020 election, Joe Biden is a Cybernetic Organism, Hillary Clinton is a High Priestess of the Satanic Church, the painter guy at Home Depot is a foreign invader criminal terrorist - but Larry Hoover of the Black Gangster Disciples was unjustly persecuted by institutional racism in the judicial system, and... this one is wild... Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin is a master of strategy and power, dealing with the "deeply unfair" rules-based international order and simply trying to re-exert his influence over his "Zone of Special Privilege" (the Soviet Sphere).

When they repeat these lies - TOGETHER - it bonds them tightly because they know that Barack Obama wasn't born in Kenya but they're all telling the same lie and it makes them feel good, not rejected.

They study these lies harder than they've ever studied any subject in school, and they rehearse and repeat them to try and get better in making the Kremlin's talking points, Beijing, J-state Hasbara, BLM, etc...

That's what you're seeing here- Commie Shitholes hating America and rehearsing their threat messaging... from all the different sources... in allll the different threads.

Mr.BR said:

It looks like numbers initialy claimed were greatly inflated , from 40 so far it looks like might be 12 , so far from 34% of anything.

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In truth, I've personally seen more than 12 destroyed assets of different types, and it might actually be 100% (and beyond) of their air-ready, FMC, not-deadlined fleet.

Gunfighter14e2 said:

Doesn't, just laughing at your vial attempt at your true goal here.

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Why is it always the illiterates?

vi·al
/ˈvī(ə)l/
noun
noun: vial; plural noun: vials

a small container, typically cylindrical and made of glass, used especially for holding liquid medicines.

vile
/vīl/
adjective
adjective: vile; comparative adjective: viler; superlative adjective: vilest

extremely unpleasant.

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I don't actually think that these are St. Petersburg IRA Operators who have poor English skills- these are the deceived, who sought out the liar, and who consume the lie enthusiastically.

In America though, we HATE the Liar and we LOVE the Truth.

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I'd not worry about that lower. It's not in a critical spot, and looks like a gouge, not a crack to me.

I recently had an upper receiver blow up while shooting, ammo manufacturer sent me money to replace my gun and ammo. That lower, the magazine well slightly expanded on 1 side but still holds mag. I decided to replace that lower because if anything were to happen like that again I don't want pieces of the lower to break off and end up in my face...

Btt

Point & Flush said:

Bump…price drop to $125.

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I see something from Uncle Lou, and I buy it. I'll take this.

Stag556 said:

This setup has worked very well for me. Not the vortex, but same premise.

I measured the offset between center of optic to aiming laser. Then applied that to a target downrange converting the measurement to mils at 100yds. I then set the aiming laser at the same height using the reticle. Should then be a continuous parallel at distance.

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Thanks. Do you keep the fire mounted there permanently? Or does your storage/transpo setup require you to remove it between range days and remount?

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you're clearly very upset

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W54/XM-388 said:

You have to admit however, it's been a hugely successful strategy.
The USSR started it then the CCP told everyone else to sit back watch how the pros do it...

Plus it helps that the Democrats want to destroy everything & have us fight wars all over the world for their own social change reasons, and the Republicans all want to just fight wars and cause trouble so they can all get rich off kickbacks and bribes and stock options.

Also it would be unfair to point out the USSR / Russia / China influence without mentioning ISRAEL who pretty much controls many of our various congress critters and senate slime.

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HOW DARE YOU!!!

Speak the truth.

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when this twitter post puts pearl harbor attack in quotations, who are they quoting? Do you think the CIA planned, funded and executed the attack? Does this mean trump is complicit? What did he mean by this? Tinfoil hat boomers, GO!

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why does this make you so mad?

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nkk said:

you're clearly very upset

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Sorry retard, we're not liberals. We arent mad or upset at all. We are just tired of this crap. It doesn't work, hasn't worked at all in changing our minds (other than going against what the sock puppets espouse). You have showed as glowie or foreign intelligence sub actor or paid shill the entire time and we have taken anything you have said through that lense. Which means it is all bull crap.

Btt

SA-404CLX+MA-40X is a little heavy but extends up to 71" and has a capacity rating of 88lb.

BigJimFish said:

Wow, those are some very, very, close results. 2.3 fps average difference between the "slowest" and "fastest" of the devices. From a curiosity standpoint, It would be interesting to know which is the closest to the true result though it hardly seems that this knowledge would have any real world effect.

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By and large, with 2-3fps spread between units, determining truth with the equipment I currently have available just isn't a reality - even firing a truing test at distance, I'm quite confident I'm not sufficiently skilled to determine on target a difference in velocity of less than 2fps. As I mentioned above, by and large, based on these results, since all of the units agree within all practical application tolerances, either ALL of them are wrong, or ALL of them are correct.

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It would also be interesting to know if the other chronos are off because they are less consistent in the readings from shot to shot and this results in random drift or if they are calibrated slightly off and the error is therefore consistent.

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By and large, if any truth exists near or among these results, it appears, based on the nature of the dataset, there is significant indication of both offset AND random "drift" (not drift, but rather simple error). You can see in 1) the heatmap of the total 600 data points, 2) the 30 round non-chronological focused chart, and 3) the intrabrand data table above there's a prevailing order for each unit respective to one another. One of my LabRadar LX's read faster than the other ~2/3 of the time, LabRadars displayed the fastest speed 90% of the time, one of my Garmins read faster than the other ~2/3 of the time and the two Garmins were in the middle of the 3 brands 85% of the time, and the two Athlons gave the slowest readings 89% of the time, with one of the units reading faster than the other ~50% of the time. However, those trends were not 100%, 100%, 100%... The relative offset from one another persists a vast majority of the time, however, random error does swap and flop the order from time to time.

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The athlons have a noticably better SD and ES than the garmin or labradar so they do look consistent if nothing else.

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I'll be honest - this isn't my only data set with these devices, although at this time, it IS my largest set - I'm really, really surprised to see the smallest ES and SD from the Athlons. I will point out, however, having the smallest ES and SD in this particular test doesn't necessarily mean the Athlons were the tightest to truth. Considering the EXTREMELY bad ammo used for this test, the Athlons may simply be erring on the inside of the extremes. The Athlons DID display the highest variability between the two units, around twice the deviation between the 2 Athlons as I saw from the 2 Garmins.

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I need to ask the athlon folks if these units can be software improved to implement frequency jumping when interference is detected. This seems like it would be likely possible as I expect the frequency generator is variable and set in firmware.

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I can't speak from direct knowledge, but I also assume the channels are assigned within firmware, but I could be wrong. I could also understand if the $150 offset between the Athlon and the other brands was achieved by using a single channel transmitter. But Athlon has been quite straight forward in stating that they did not design the Velocity Pro's with high radar traffic firing lines in mind, and saved money in development and deployment in living single channel life.

Something I DO find interesting - in my own testing and that I have seen by others so far, it never seems to be Garmins interfering with the Athlons, but rather almost always seems to be LabRadars (or Caldwell VelociRadars, in my personal test). The Garmins do frequency hop when turned on (not sure if they do so mid-operation), so that alignment between the manual frequency swap LabRadar models (maybe Caldwells are fixed? Dunno yet) and NON-alignment with Garmins makes sense. Considering the current market, the interference opportunity would be relatively low - most PRS firing lines won't have many if any LabRadars present, rather a lot of Garmins, and the Garmins will move out of the way of the Athlons.

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I would also be interested to know if they can display the analyzing loop interference when in adjacent lanes instead of on top of one another. Have you tried this? Given how these doppler chronos tend to see returns from adjacent lanes but ignore them as they can tell the signal is comming from a different lane, It is quite plausible they only throw each other off when right next to each other. Have you tested this? While interefering with each other when many are on the same lane together is a PITA for people testing chronos side by side for reviews, it wouldn't be a real world issue wheras interferance from the next lane over would be a pretty big deal for competitive shooters who are frequently on many person firing lines where everyone has a chrono up.

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I have seen lane crossing interferences with Athlons as well as Garmins - and recognize that when the units are lane crossing the LabRadars and Caldwells, those units would be hiding the interference better than the Garmin or Athlons only because of their design - acoustic triggers will still interfere and produce false readings, they just don’t give false triggers to warn you that the interference is coming. The Athlons get stuck in the same re-triggering loop whereas the Garmins I have seen have not been so persistent, and rather are only reporting erroneous velocities (4k velocities for 2.8-3k loads).

Yes, I have tested some side by side data capture, rather than the vertical orientation I have pictured above. I will also offer more and more testing of this nature in the near future (big plans this week and weekend) so I can better demonstrate the sensitivities. Having the units farther spread apart will achieve 2 limits as the beams are peeled farther and farther apart 1) the Athlons are less persistently retriggered as they receive less concentrated radar false echo, 2) the units are better able to determine what is false echo vs. their own signal (report a bad reading vs. recording an incorrect velocity), and 3) eventually, moving sufficiently far apart, the beams will not false-echo back to each other and the false echoes and interference will be eliminated. On this particular day, the farthest outside Athlon did not appear to be interfering with any of the other 4 depicted (and has never interfered by 2 of those other units in subsequent testing), but did repeat 4150-60 fps readings, indicating reception of a false echo from another unit, when one of the other shooters was on the line in the bay beside us (I wanna say these are 11ft bays?).

I CAN state, in my experience so far, I do NOT believe that the chronic, persisting re-triggering loop will happen for any "real world" shooter on a 100yrd zero board or competition firing line, and only happens to those of us concentrating multiple units onto one rifle, BUT, I can also directly state experience in false-echo reception where ANY of these units have displayed a false velocity reading due to nearby radar interference - RARE, exceptionally rare, and extremely obvious, but it remains to be a reality for this kind of device. Not so different than finding out that someone put a shot or two on the wrong target when scoring after a match, just a reality of the practice.

Gunfighter14e2 said:

Doesn't, just laughing at your vial attempt at your true goal here.

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you're clearly very upset

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Gunfighter14e2 said:

Joined here in 2014, has 77 posts total, last 74 about this war. Nothing about the sights theme in any post. The hide is infected with this kind of trash,...

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why does this make you so mad?