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223 Rem Bolt/Trainer Loads

Danattherock
I've got a MPA 223 trainer I've been shooting for a long time with the same load off my Dillon 550. It is set up for AR mag length rounds and did not change for the 223 trainer, although with 75 elds I havent tried using in AR mags to verify they fit. Dies are the same my point as I have another high volume AR15 load. I use 8208 and 75 elds in Lapua and its 1/2-3/4 moa without case prep or any effort beyond cranking them out on the Dillon.
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Questions & what to look for when purchasing land?

lonegunman762x51
Your property needs to have all rights attached. Water, mineral, timber and you need to be aware of easements or the lack of easements. I wanted water, timber, meadows and a lovely view of whatever and that would have costed $3-5000 an acre 20 years ago. Instead I got grass, rocks, blinding sun and a gulley of old tires and farm equipment for $225 an acre. 120 acres to be exact. Sold the scrap, hauled the tires off and planted some brush that is struggling along, sunsets are lovely and I have steel targets to 800 yards.

This was an awesome purchase in hindsight. I have deeded access, 2 miles of fences, 4 strand barbed wire, if I wanted a well it is 150ft typically in that area, its 1/2 mile off the public roadway. No neighbors for at least two or three miles in every direction and the impact area is a 150ft rise in elevation hillside so nothing gets out and if it did there is nothing to hit.


It has a deeded easement so I will always have access. My original neighbor was an asshole farmer who considered the property garbage and still refused to sell me the easement as a 100 ft wide strip, or maybe all of the land between me and the road for whatever price he decided. He thought I was an idiot to pay so much, lol. And refused $1K an acre for the easement.

What is your budget? Why make people guess?


Where do you want this property? I had a buddy who owned 360 acres of irrigated crop land in Iowa and it was worth a fortune. Buying in New Hampshire is different than Nevada desert.

How much property? California scumbags have driven Montana ranch land into the tens of thousands an acre price.

What you are describing around me is about $10K an acre and you would be lucky to find 160 acres in a chunk.



BTW, my chuck of arid land is now selling for $2000-$2500 an acre, 60 acres spots of even worse land are listed for $189K or more. Five miles away near the interstate they have developed 420 acres for a blended community and want triple that for home lots, commercial space is $85 bucks a square foot.
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Someone murdered Charlie Kirk

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BigBabyMoses06 said:
Fuck andrew tate.


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I'm totally all for educators being held to a standard, and to not spew hate about Kirk and his death, but, what the fuck are we doing cheering other lefties losing their jobs because they posted gross shit online? If the rolls were reversed here, the right would be having an absolute fit. It's just mirroring their behavior.
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Why the fuck would any of us be opposed to consequences? That's a leftist ideological position at its core. If you show yourself to be beyond the pale of civilized society, you should be outed and ostracized. If that places you in abject poverty for the rest of your life, I don't care.

And for the record, I can, have, and will continue to out people who advocate political violence on either side of the political divide. Remember Vance Boelter shooting the Minnesota Democrat lawmakers? I turned in a couple of whackjobs for publicly celebrating that. It's a horrible look, and an abject soul-destroying moral compromise if we tolerate that from people who pretend they're part of our group. We, the good upstanding people of faith and honor on the right, don't assassinate people or celebrate the evil of those who do. If we are ever forced into an armed conflict it will be to defend ourselves, our rights, and our country. We don't start shit, but we sure as hell will end it if someone else does.

Words used to have consequences. They still should. Free speech, absolutely; they shouldn't be jailed for revealing themselves to be a ghoulishly evil person, but they sure as hell ain't welcome in my town. And that goes for all evildoers, no matter which "side" they support. If you're celebrating murder, I don't want you as my ally; you're too fucked in the head to trust, and your soul is corrupted to a level I can't tolerate. War is one thing, but this isn't that. We're not at war. We're not trying to start one. Some people are, and we should deal with them accordingly.

I'd like to see Antifa designated a terror group, or at bare minimum an organized crime group. The evidence is there to support it. Tell me why, when I was attacked over, and over, and over again by black bloc rioters who were somehow supplied with powerful lasers, pallets of bricks, molotovs, bump helmets, gas masks, shields, etc. from the back of rented trucks, no one was prosecuted? When we had full HD video of the crowds, tracked them to their cars and buses, got IDs on a lot of them, and still no one was jailed? Why? When we spent day after day on overtime defending our LEO brothers from constant attacks by leftist mobs intent on overriding the rule of law and preventing federal government, when we were doxxed and our addresses, our children's schools and wives' workplaces listed online with the suggestion that we be targeted, no one would act.

Our local prosecutor's office was funded by Soros. The DA's campaign was paid for by Soros via Soros-affiliate PACs. George and Alex Soros, who are foreign billionaires, funnel money through dozens to hundreds of organizations, strategically pushing hard-left "progressives" into DA's offices around the U.S. Look into the Open Society Foundation, Tides Center, the "Tides Network," Social and Environmental Entrepreneurs, Open Philanthropy, Real Justice PAC, Fair and Just Prosecution, and the Wren Collective.

What's worse, look into the pathing of USAID money to overseas "justice and anti-corruption" organizations linked to Soros, and then watch other Soros organizations contribute to U.S.-based leftist equivalents. USAID was being used to launder your tax dollars into leftist coffers and then indirectly fund (or at bare minimum free up leftist overseas dollars to fund) leftist political campaigns here in the U.S. Mike Benz has done some good work tracking the money trail. The same system was used to fund leftist news networks overseas, which again was matched by overseas flows of money into the U.S. funding our own leftist news networks. The house of cards is currently collapsing, and has been through the beginning of Trump admin 2.0; a lot of the leftist rage has been driven by the sudden lack of funding and the perception that now they're actually losing.

All of that past tolerance of political rioting and violence has contributed to societal breakdown. Antifa and leftist types openly advocated violence against local and federal LE online, and semi-privately (in text, WhatsApp, Telegram, and Discord groups) organized funding, supplies, and improvised weapons for riots. In some cases the funding came from left-aligned foundations and "philanthropy" groups, in some cases from local branches of the DNC. NONE of that should ever have been tolerated and not prosecuted. The response to J6 was ridiculously harsh in comparison, but those rioters weren't THEIR rioters. J6 woke us up to a two-tiered justice system. The feds weren't hunting down and jailing the organizers of the Floyd riots. Some Democrats were openly advocating for more Floyd riots.

Enough is enough. It's past time for a brutal federal crackdown on all outside foreign influence campaigns, leftist money laundering of our tax dollars against us, and funding and organization of any obstructive, riotous, or seditious activity.
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Someone murdered Charlie Kirk

sirhrmechanic
HogsLife said:
Kids the result of the lefts psychological warfare propaganda operation. He is exactly what they want them all to be..

As parents we have to prepare and give our children a strong foundation before sending them off to the wolves.

Sometimes no matter what we do, they run amuck anyways..
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One of the guys who works for me brought his family to a pig roast I did last Friday.

His daughter is second grade… maybe 8 or so?

And a rabid vegan and “friend of all animals” who had a look of horror on her face at meat. Wouldn’t eat anything. Ended up eating grapes from my vines.

Parents said “we’re hoping she’ll
Grow out of it?”

Grow Out of it??? They should be suing the school for every penny the district has. First
Because at that age she needs protein and nutrition. Which I assume her mom who is a PA (PhD nurse) is handling. And if they have her this fucked up at school at this age…. It will only get worse.

These kids are getting brainwashed from kindergarten. And it is appalling. Any school employee pushing this sort of shit should be removed from kids and put on the equivalent of a pedo list and banned from any contact with youth.

This is how they are destroying the nuclear family.

Sirhr
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Questions & what to look for when purchasing land?

Maggot
91Eunozs said:
If you can find 100 acres of what you’re looking to buy for anywhere close to that price let me know where it is! LoL. I’d buy it all up at that price…

Here in TX, you might be able to find some shitty cedar scrub land, with no water on it (and no mineral rights) for that price, but anything with water, let alone forest and cleared pasture is gonna be $pendy. Easily 2-3 times what you’re looking to spend.

There may be places where that still exists, but probably not in any place you’d actually want to live.

Edit: you may be able to find something approaching your list somewhere out in Western Texas along I10 (but not near Lubbock)… but you’ll be miles from nowhere, which is actually not a bad thing TBH

Sorry to be Debbie Downer, but there’s a lot of competition for that type of place, and has been for a long time now. You’re smart to be looking for that setting, but the price of admission is very high right now.
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A fellow I met when I owned the ranch in Rock Springs Texas showed me a photo of the land before the cattle.goat/sheep men came in and it was full of knee high grass with a huge live oak every 50 yds or so. Full of little bubbling springs, thus the name. The cattle graised it till they couldnt make a living, so they brought in goats and sheep which finished it. They largely did the same with natural predators so now the state is over run with deer. More are killed by autos than hunters.

Interesting tid bit I learned during my Texas time. If you take that arid, scrub cedar/catus land, clear the cedar (a big cedar will evaorate up to 30 gallons of water per day) and replant the land in native grasses, often the water will come back. I saw it done west of Austin.
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Maggie’s The Woodchuck and Firewood Hoarders Thread

Lawless
Dead Eye Dick said:
Just to think, I used to do all that by hand…but I had a caveat. Our little farmhouse was small and well insulated. (Not at first but we spent the cash to make it so). So, our stove had to be small. The wood was cut to 16 inches or If I was able to obtain 24 inch wood, I recut it to 12 inches. Splitting a 12 inch round is a lot easier than splitting a 24 inch round.

The little stove kept the whole house warm, even on the coldest Louisiana days. One Christmas it was 5 degrees. Nothing compared to what you fellows in the mountains and up north experience but in our humidity which you can all but swim through, 5 degrees ins pretty cool for a North Louisiana Boy.
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Questions & what to look for when purchasing land?

diggler1833
748rpilot said:
@diggler1833 appreciate the insights. Yes, it's absolutely for the love of the land and for having my own place to hunt and to get away from everyone else. It's not intended to be a profit generating endeavor. The end goal is to have my own place to build a house on and retire to, while having things I enjoy (like horses). My ordinary investments should be able to carry the load.

As to leasing out for farming, I'll have to give that more thought. My initial thinking was, if it can generate any income, and I can workout with the farmer to leave stand a few acres of beans / corn / wheat, then I'm in good shape. But, if that's not a realistic scenario, it's not a requirement.

Buying my own equipment to till and seed would be an alternative, albeit a costlier one. I'll let the deer harvest it for me.

@502Chevelle The distance part kinda sucks, yea. 8 hours would have to be the absolute max, and you're right, it would quickly start sucking. 6 is probably more realistic, as I can do that leaving right after work on a Friday.

I had previously considered your excellent points about taking care of a second house, and decided no, I don't want to do it. I'll be more than likely buying empty mainly for that reason.

Once I retire I would build a house there, move there full-time and sell my current house.

@John? Good points re: mineral rights, insurance, and water rights. I have a few areas in mind that I can research those topics for. Medical...hmmm, yea. That will be a good question.
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One of my friends lives in East TX, but has about 150 acres all the way up at the OK/KS border. He invests in good feeders, and expensive cameras with solar chargers. He kills deer there every year that I'd love to have walk across my place. You don't have to be on it all the time... but I want to caveat that with some precautions: 1) If you aren't a presence there, someone else may very well be (poachers). 2) You need to invest in the equipment that will do the feeding and monitoring for you.

As far as enjoying the land: My primary hunting areas are where I harvest hay from (and the woods in-between my hay meadows). The land is relatively untouched other than running tractors over it a few times per year. That really allows the deer to be pressured as little as possible. Leasing the land out to others is going to put you at their mercy some. There are always benefits and drawbacks to every scenario. To be honest, I'd probably lease it out, rather than try to keep up with the equipment and work schedule needed to cultivate it yourself... so please don't think that I'm trying to talk you out of it.

As my body deteriorates more, I will start to downscale what I have (cattle). I don't have a massive operation anyway, but I will be comfortable breaking even if it means that I still get to enjoy the land. If I had to start today - no way could I break even though. Costs are way too high these days man.

Buy the land you want with the intent to just enjoy it. If you are good, you can get enough of a garden there to sustain yourself. If you are really good, you can plant enough to bring in extra wildlife to hunt. NO DOGS. Keep your house dog free if you want to see a lot of big mature deer.
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Someone murdered Charlie Kirk

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232593 said:
We are already on that road. Have been for some time now.
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I have always advised against starting a race to the bottom. When Dems complained about Trump's numerous EOs, I reminded them who started that trends and who cheered it on. I was firmly for fighting well above the belt line.

The Left's responses to Charlie's murder made me realize that one side is already at the bottom of the pit. I do not advocate for adopting their tactics of promoting and - God forbid - practicing violence. We just bury them in the pit they descended into by their own choice.
Their approval rate was already well below 50% and the last two days may be worth another 10 points down. Sure, their base is frothing at the mouth in glee but anyone with any shred of decency is horrified.

Gerrymander the hell out of this country. Formally indict as many of them as you can. Audit and dismantle their financial support networks. Go after them like you mean it and like they did and still do.

Musk tweeted something like:
We can lay down and be killed while being called Nazis or we can fight while being called Nazis.

The only remorse I saw on the left media about the killing of Charlie was that Trump may now become even more of a "Nazi". There is no harm in proving them right.
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Questions & what to look for when purchasing land?

Maggot
If I were looking for land the most important thing I'd want is a good water source. The next wars may be over water. I think it was T Boone Pickens who bought up a massive amount of land with water rights.

Make sure you have full control...which isnt really possible with gubmint control, but get what you can.

Sounds like you're not a youngster, you might want to consider proximity to quality health care. Generally the more rural you go, the worse the medicos.
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Bad SD and ES but good group...

straightshooter1
I always want good SD's (ES's will follow suite) as I've always said before . . . it's what tells me whether I'm loading my cartridges well nor not. But SD's don't tell me which load gives me the best results on targets. It's the targets that tell me what the best load. But yes, you can't have good results on target unless you also are able to produce good SD's. They're just not the determining factor for which load is the best.

Focus on the target results when deciding which load is best!

If one is not getting good SD's, then one needs to focus on, examine and improve one's reloading procedure.
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Questions & what to look for when purchasing land?

Maggot
diggler1833 said:
I promise you Sir, with the start-up and maintenance costs of trying to farm land... you are in a losing investment. This is especially true for a smaller parcel like what you're looking at. If you are doing it as a labor of love for hunting, then just figure in those costs as your own "lease fee". Farming and ranching are frigging expensive, especially if you can't mechanic on your own equipment.

No lease, hunting or otherwise is going to pay much - if any - of your note, especially if you only have 100 acres or so. Nobody is going to drop a couple thousand per year to hunt 100 acres... unless your property has pulled the #1 buck in the state for several years in a row ;) . Farmers aren't going to pay much if they have to invest everything into production either. You should be able to cover your taxes though.

$750K will get you a decent amount of land in several states. However, water and electricity (and access) are things to consider.

I get your line of questioning by a lot of my friends each and every year. Once they figure out that they are in a losing investment, they always end up buying something else (10 acres on the outskirts of a town).
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And agri business taking over running small folks like my grandfather out.
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