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M1917 vs M1903

I like both but for different reasons.

More 1917 Enfields where produced during the WW1 time frame than 03's. So more Enfields seen service in US troops hands than 03's. Yes the Enfield was a stop gap measure to supplement demand for WW1 rifles for our troops and Springfield and Rock Island couldn't produce the 03 fast enough. Remington in NY, the Remington Eddystone plant and Winchester all produced 1917 rifles. Originally for England as the Pattern 1914 in 303 Brit.

In the grand scheme of things... neither rifle is more accurate than the other. If you had to get nit picky... a 1903NM purpose built rifle (which would've had a star gauged barrel on it and the stock fitting got more attention to it as well along with a tuned trigger if I recall correctly... than the 1903 but I'm talking standard service issue made rifles... neither is more accurate. I've rebuilt 1917's with the original barrels on them and scoped them or shot them with iron sights and bedded the stocks. It would surprise you if you have one with a bore in good condition how accurate they are. I picked up a sporterized 1917 Remington for my brothers wife who wanted to get him a gun as a Christmas present for hunting as he only had a lever 30-30 and only had $200 to spend. So I bought one off of GB (this was about 10+ years ago). Yep for $200 including shipping. Crown wasn't the greatest so I touched up the crown on the shortened 22" barrel, bedded the stock because it was cracked, the receiver was already d&t for a scope base and I thru a old straight 4x scope I had laying around on the rifle. Think it was a old Bushnell I had laying in my box off extra stuff. That gun with box ammo shot consistent 3/4moa groups. Being as I know how much of a butt head my older brother is.... I honestly didn't feel he deserved the rifle. I should've kept it for myself and went and found another. Anyways I got it to his wife... she surprised him with it for a Christmas gift and he blew a gasket because she spent $200. Never got a thanks for all the work I did to it for her to give it to him...yep should've kept it for myself. LOL! Anyways....

Standard issued service spec rifles both had straight grip stocks. The later type C stock I agree is more comfortable for overall shooting.

The 2 groove barrels seen on 1917's are replacement barrels during a rebuild process. All standard/original 1917's should have a conventional 5 groove rifled barrel with a left hand twist rifling. If you would shoot both side by side... the guns will torque differently.

All 1903 barrels would be 4 groove right hand twist. Both guns are 1-10 twist barrels. It wasn't until the 1903A3 rifles did the Springfield's get 2 groove barrels or if a earlier gun went thru a rebuild process it might have had a 2 groove installed. All 2 groove barrels where cut rifled. Broach or button where not allowed on 2 groove barrels. All 1917's and 03's had cut rifled barrels.

Both receivers have a square thread 10tpi. The 1917 receivers have a 1.125" major diameter thread. 03's have a smaller major diameter thread about a .100" smaller. Does it effect anything accuracy wise? Nah.

1917's and early Remington 30 Express rifles are cock on closing when you rack the bolt. Later 30 Express rifles where done at Remington to cock on opening. Is one system better than the other? I'll say no. In terms of speed to manipulate the bolt... I'll say no. It's what your use to.

Here is a pic of my Rem. 30 Express that I've been working on a rebuild with a custom stock. This is a factory cock on opening gun. After putting a new barrel on it in 30-06 (22" finish length) I sent the barreled action out and had it re rust blued which is period correct for the gun. Not hot blued.

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Ever seen a guy run the mad minute drill? Look up some videos on it. I think the record set with a Lee Enfield which is cock on closing... was just shy of 40 hits on target at 300 yards in one minute. Doesn't matter if you agree with it or not... that's frickin cruising with Enfield bolt gun. The average rifleman was in order to get his marksman badge... was suppose to get 15 rounds off in one minute and all rounds score on the target at 300 yards. Think it was a man size target. I've seen guys at hi power matches get around 15-20 rounds fired in 70 seconds prone with a Winchester Match rifle and doesn't matter how you cut it... that's running a bolt gun lightning fast.

Later, Frank

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That’s the hide

when you meet one of the tough guys in real life at a match and all of a sudden they are a pussy cat.

Happened 3x over the years so far.
I met @bigdaddydmd face to face and I dry jumped his leg into submission and now he wants to hang out more often.

Craddock RTR

Awesome. I've also had some surprisingly good results from the black tip accuracy wise. Haven't gotten around to doing much work on pigs with it yet.

Between rain and work demands, my grand plans of a long day at the range hasn't manifested, but it will.
The group I shoot with has a lot of Grendel builds and out of about 13 of our Grendel builds, only 3 of them shoot the AAC Sabre Tipped ammo well. None of the RTR barrels like it. We have 1 Wilson Combat barrel, 1 Triarc, and oddly enough 1 Aero precision barrel that consistently shoot it under 1.5moa at 100 yards. We crono’d 100 rounds of it and the sd over that hundred rounds was about 47 fps if I remember it correctly. We’ve killed some deer, pigs, and various varmints with it under 150 yards and it performs well on meat. For killin shit fairly close, at the price, it’s hard to beat. Glad your gun seems to like it. I wish one of mine did.
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What is the ideal SHTF optic?

This made me laugh. I had to go the more mediocre route with an M82 which I justify specifically for such an occasion.
After reading all 6 pages I agree… diversify, stockpile, large concrete block home on several acres, generator with large underground propane tank, ballistic film on windows, razor wire, cameras and various other measures. I’m in the process of procuring a PVS27 and a thermal. Most importantly is secrecy balanced with a trustworthy small group. Everyone in my group does a lot of carbine training with and without NV. Then you have to plan to be able to keep your group fed and cohesive. I don’t know if I would’ve gone through with the last part were it not for the fact that I am the only one capable of treating injuries, illness, etc. No one lasts long in a situation like this without competent medical care. Sepsis will kill 5x as many as bullets. I think the only way to get close to “prepared” is to have it be a lifestyle. It’s impossible to guess EXACTLY what will happen, but it’s very possible to predict how most of society will respond.
I look at it as my main hobby. Probably won’t happen, but gives me a responsible excuse for all the equipment and training. It’s been my experience that most really attractive women find security very attractive.
People much smarter than I am have said “mindset will be the most important component”.
Being able to recognize when the time comes and act accordingly will be vital. Having 2k to 3k yards between the world and your shelter along with the ability to engage efficiently at that distance IMO is also high up there. Maybe 800 yards at night. I’d prefer the carbine guys only being responsible for the stragglers.
The problem with many small groups is that when the SHTF for real, a significant number of the women immediately throw themselves at the men they feel are in charge. They understand intuitively that their pussy can buy them safety and security. Tough on marriages and beta males ego though.

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Angie’s dog Hershey woke us up about 10:30 tonight and when I realized something was wrong and turned on the lamp I was shocked. He is a beagle mix, not a big dog and doesn’t roam. Something had torn him up really bad. We are in the sticks with a few other farms on this side of the mountain. Not sure who the perp could be.

He was bloody. Skin missing in places and deep punctures. He wouldn’t let me pick him up but I coaxed him into the kitchen to see how bad it was.

It was bad.

Belle the chihuahua had a wound on her back but it wasn’t too bad. Hershey was by now struggling to breathe. He rolled over and I saw that the deep wound on his chest was blowing air when he tried to take a breath. He was obviously in a lot of pain.

I looked up at Angie. She already knew.

It is never easy. It is a kindness.

You were a GOOD DOG Hershey.


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Belle has a swollen place on the left of her back, is sore and bruised on her chest and abdomen and has a little pain on her neck.

Whatever did this had a very large/wide mouth.

Hershey took the worst of it.

What is the ideal SHTF optic?

W/O software, hardware is just weight.

I'm capable enough and my father has been a LEO firearm instructor over 45 years, SWAT Rangemaster, Sniper/Spotter etc...

Plus
2 Medal of Valor
4 Certificates of Meritorious Conduct
Medal of Honor
Purple Heart


His career was exceptionally active for a LEO, plenty of incidents that made the national news unfortunately.

-Richard

So whats this big story James O'keefe went into hiding about?

This ^^^

You don't tell the world who your doomsday man is.

Unless... The guy you named as your doomsday man is a decoy.

If it's really "earth-shattering" you better have more than one guy ready to spill the beans.

Two is one. One is none.

Mike
It's all about the ratings for both of them. This expose was a complete nothingburger, except for the dude who spilled the beans - his life is over. For internet clicks.

One facet of things going south, most never think of

Actually, I thought of this once in a Hypothetical. I came to the conclusion that it depends on which of my locations I am at and where the bodies are. Inside the lines, burial or feed to pigs, etc. In my AO... I feel like leaving bodies will tell others to NOT come my way; as long as the decomposition would not impact my water sources and latrine.

A little movement of the deceased around my AO may ensure someone tactically experienced may decide against approach.