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We may finally know who’s been to the island

Fig
Gunfighter14e2 said:
The world is full of sell outs, but there is also a greater number who won't for any reason. Most in gov would sell their mother for more power, that's been proven time & time again thru out our history. Plus you have a huge number who would take money to look the other way. I don't belong to either of those groups and never will, as I was brought up apparently much much differently. I don't view power & money as the be all like most, but I do highly value, all children's well being. If I have to die on that hill so be it,...
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It is. Lots of bad people out there who justify evil to themselves. However, there are also good people who are willing to sacrifice everything for others knowing there's no glory and they will be persecuted for it and called villains. Obviously you count yourself as one, and so do I, so when I'm trying to consider something like this, where the evil is so big it seems a completely worthy hill to die on, it is better to think about if from what I know, rather than to project my prejudices on others and simply assign the worst possible motives to them. That's all I'm saying.

In the end you are most likely right, and the justification for this whole cover up will be found wanting (like a nuclear blast is warm). Doing it because they are all evil to their core doesn't track for me no matter how jaded I might be.

One thing is true. This has been going on since before people gave their children to Moloch.
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FBI declares Sig 320/ ‘M17/ M18 unfit for duty

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Personally I suspect some users are covering up their mistakes by blaming the gun for a misfire. I have several P320s and feel very confident.

You have some upper level bureaucrat worried by safety or getting sued, and taking the easy way out by choosing Glock. Glocks are good, very reliable, but I believe the P320 trigger system to be a better design.
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Pouring a 30"×40" concrete pad on top of concrete floor?

Maggot
John? said:
In addition to your vertical tie rebar connecting to the existing slab you’re going to want some horizontal mesh to prevent tension fracture. 2”x4” welded wire will work fine for your application. Tie it to your verticals about half way between bottom and finished top.

Rough up the existing slab with sidewinder. If you have a slab saw available cut grooves about 1/4” deep spaced a foot apart. That will help adhesion.

You should calculate you load per square inch to determine the strength cement you need. My rough guess based on my safe is 1.5 psi. So any readi mix is plenty strong. Hell, most quickcrete is plenty strong if you mix it thick for low slump.

You’d be smart to rent a magnesium float to make sure there are no voids in your new slab. Trowel around the edges of forms to make it pretty.

Curing takes a while, depending on what mix you use. I would plan on at least a week to set up. It won’t be fully cured but strong enough to work on. Be careful around edges while it is still green because it is super easy to crack a corner loose.

Also, don’t skimp on your forms.

Hope this helps.
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Agree iwth the wire mesh. Probably not necessary but it cant hurt and is cheap insurance.
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We may finally know who’s been to the island

Fig
flogxal said:
Fig enjoying that devil's advocate spot.

Ever hear of false dichotomies, Fig?
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True. You could well be right. I have no idea. I'm not discounting anything. I know that we don't know. I'll reserve a real opinion until I understand motive. What happened is abominable. I would be more likely to believe we would use it if it was the Israelis and we weren't the progenitors of rape island. But, I have no idea. It could be as all those baying for blood assume it is. I hope not, but it's a possibility.
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We may finally know who’s been to the island

Fig
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I think that is a part of it, but I don't think so many would be willing to go along with it if it was just to protect the agencies. There has to be more to it than that to willingly cover it up, and across administrations. There has to be something critically important, pertinent, and ongoing. When you consider what they manufactured out of whole cloth to try and keep Trump out of office, that they wouldn't use this, or at least leak it doesn't make any sense.


If there isn't, then you're right. It should all be burned to the ground with the people involved screaming in agony, and perhaps our country doesn't deserve to exist. That seems much more of a stretch than they are using it against our enemies. An appeal to patriotisms to keep people quiet seems more likely to me than an appeal to evil and power.
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We may finally know who’s been to the island

Fig
Gunfighter14e2 said:
When its about children, nothing else matters.
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So, there's never a conflict between morals and values? There's never any weighing of good and evil outcomes? Everything is white and black and never any conflict between them? Now who is being naïve? Not saying that those who are weighing things are always or even most of the time correct, but to say there isn't a conflict and a balance to be struck isn't realistic. Are we weighing what Epstein did against nuclear war, or some some politician evading justice? Even if you don't buy the reasoning I'm saying that there is some calculous at work, and it isn't protecting powerful people or so many would not keep their yaps shut.

The mass of people in the Federal Government who would have to be involved to make this simply about protecting the guilty would have to be monumental. It would have to be an evil shot through on a the biblical Sodom and Gamora level. Even then there was Lot. It is the height of fancy to posit there does not exist a Lot in all the Federal government.
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Unhinged protesters CLASH with ICE agents in violent scene outside courthouse

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Baron23 said:
So where was the ass kicking? Ok, I'm old but I do remember when the police was the biggest gang in town and if you laid a hand on an officer then you likely ended up in the emergency room. I rather miss those days.

I support law enforcement.
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As long as they're enforcing the law and not being assholes.
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We may finally know who’s been to the island

Fig
That is MUCH more ridiculous. To say it's a scope of evil that large that no one will stand against it out of fear is absurd. If your theory is correct, there are millions of Americans who would consider it their entire reason for being, and the purpose of every ancestor's life stretching back to the beginning of time to stand against something like that. Sometimes you have to stand on the train tracks and try stop the locomotive with your hand. Raping children is one of those times, and I am not the only one who thinks so as evidenced by this thread.

That is not a realistic view of our government or of the human condition. It is a dark and jaundiced one that leaves no hope and no future. I don't and can't accept it, because I know our great capacity for good and selflesness as well as our capacity for evil.
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Fuck Pritzker

Maggot
Hecouldgoalltheway said:
And he will probably stay in office until his gravy choked arteries clog sufficiently. Illinois, New York and California are in an all out war for corruption supremacy, and Illinois has been in the top 3 since the 30's. I haven't believed there has been a fair election held in that state in my lifetime. I think it goes:

"Yep, results are in, I counted them myself, and I won by a landslide again".

And then eventually they piss off enough people in the federal government to get a prison sentence to make room for someone even more corrupt.
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Sadly, those three states account for a shitload of electoral votes.
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