1911’s and 2011’s are the best suppressor hosts but you’re not getting anything worth a shit for your budget.

For $850 and under and taking Glock out of the running I’d say a VP9T or M&P 2.0 are the two best options. USP9T’s are great too and you could possibly find a used one in your budget but I doubt it. They also aren’t optic ready if that matters to you and they also kinda suck to put a light on but as a suppressor host they’re excellent.

I don't like removing and replacing muzzle devices routinely, especially those with fine 28 or 32 thread pitches.
Subject to stretching enough that it'll fuck up the timing when torqued down.
I'll clean the carbon off the brake and crown with shop swabs, and if I run into hard to remove shit, I'll hang the rifle upside down with the muzzle in a small cup of solvent.

JMOYMMV.

SRW said:

Did you shoot it? That cannon looks like it's made for the 2,000 yard challenge!

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I didn't shoot it as we had to leave. Brandon did shoot it though - wonder if that'll be on the video? It's an ELR gun so definitely good out to 2000 and probably significantly more.

sirhrmechanic said:

If they remove the tax, how can it stay on the NFA? The point of the NFA was that the Roosevelt admin could not ban guns. But it could require a tax stamp that always so expensive that no one could justify it.

Because it is unconstitutional for the Fed to ban something. But you can put it on a list to tax it and then never issue the tax stamp. That’s how they do narcotics, too.

So eliminate the tax and it’s an arguably unconstitutional ban.

Might be a way to backdoor remove the suppressors.

Sirhr

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Even removed from the NFA , there are so many states that for bid a suppressor , and to them it would make no difference.
Save $200 on something which you cannot buy anyway.

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Namekagon said:

Also, if Iran knew that they knew and didn't say anything, that could make future alliances with Iran (or maybe even others) more difficult for Russia and China? Not that those two were ever trustworthy.

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I have amended the thread title by adding a question mark.

Russia/China Intel failure?​

buffalowinter said:

Who knows? Again why China/Russia would/should have informed Iran of the impending attack:

China/Russia: Hey Iran, there's a bunch of F117's headed for you nuke facilities, you might want to shoot them down.

Iran: We don't have that capability.

China/Russia: Here's a bunch of shit to shoot them down with, you got 37 hours to get ready.

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Also, if Iran knew that they knew and didn't say anything, that could make future alliances with Iran (or maybe even others) more difficult for Russia and China? Not that those two were ever trustworthy.

lash said:

I see that you haven’t yet figured out that you cannot reason or discuss anything with DildosBeforeDestruction. He is always 111% correct at all times in his own mind. No matter the topic, he is his own personal expert.

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Well, he actually raises a good point. I thought this was a failure in the plot of Red October. Once we figured out what the Red October sounded like (lava anomaly) we could detect it, so why would we let the Russians know their weapon was compromised. The counter to this argument is that the Red October was a "first strike" weapon, and as such we would only destroy it after it launched. And the counter argument to that is....time to go for a run.

DeathBeforeDismount said:

It would be incredibly naive to think the Chinese and Russians do not have spotters at Whitman that translate every flight of B2s. It would also be retarded to think they don't both have satellites whose sole purpose is tracking aircraft, missiles ect. Same with Guam, DG and Qatar. When those birds move, they know.

They understand the USs SIGINT capabilities to point they know we are "probably" listening to just about everything.

What is the benefit to warning Iran? They have zero ability to stop the attack. They don't have the time to harden or move any equipment. This is not the 90s with retarded f117 predictable flights in a heavy semi modern ada environment. Israel already knocked out virtually all the ADA. Missles don't work when the radars are destroyed and the sites are vacated because people don't want to eat a HARM as soon as they light up ( which every satellite, drone, f35 and awacs would pick up as soon as they powered up, resulting in immediate launch of anti radiation fires).

Countries don't spend millions or billions on detection and counter tech to just let everyone know it's capabilities, especially in a situation like there where there is no advantage or justification to reveal.

Assuming actions/inactions in war or proxies wars is based on capabilities instead of decision making trees is foolish.

This entire thread is retardation based on an assumption that OP pulled out of his ass.

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I have no inside baseball, but I bet one of the main reasons Trump seemed on the fence about using bunker busters would be showing the world how they work. If you blow up the bunkers, now the world knows you can go at least that deep. If you fail to completely demo those facilities, now the world knows exactly the limits of the weapons we have. In this case, I think the target ended up being worth it, but certainly there was an information cost to doing the raid.

Blue Sky Country said:

Fuck fundamentalist scum. It is FAFO season. Anybody who is able to intercept and neutralize a muzzie terrorist in action, should scalp or cut the motherfucker's head off as well. Everything is being recorded these days so why not send out a message to the entire world that we are absolutely apeshit psycho and more vicious than a junkyard dog on crack when we are pushed to the limit. The ONLY thing some people in this world understand is terror from a display of pure berserk mode by the retaliating party.

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Lube your ammo with pork fat and stuff pigskin into the hollow point... Just 'sayin!

And ears make a nice souvenir...

Sirhr

buffalowinter said:

Who knows? Again why China/Russia would/should have informed Iran of the impending attack:

China/Russia: Hey Iran, there's a bunch of F117's headed for you nuke facilities, you might want to shoot them down.

Iran: We don't have that capability.

China/Russia: Here's a bunch of shit to shoot them down with, you got 37 hours to get ready.

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I see that you haven’t yet figured out that you cannot reason or discuss anything with DildosBeforeDestruction. He is always 111% correct at all times in his own mind. No matter the topic, he is his own personal expert.

JR1200W3 said:

I think most people here just don't want to argue about it anymore. This has been argued about so many times before. And Americans have the habit of wilfully believing whatever they want. Provide anecdotal examples .... your opponent will ask for data,. provide no shit science based data .... you're opponent will ask for real life andeoctal examples.

Believe whatever you want. Buy an annealer or don't buy one. Why would I give a shit? Say you're on the hunt for truth and science? Do your own fucking tests and tell us. Just feel contrarion today? Keep challenging people on this thread.

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I don't think I've been contrary nor have I challenged anyone on this thread, although I've done plenty of both in other places. I'm not buying an annealer until someone can show me a smoking gun that proves it's efficacy, but even when I'm talking to people who live by their annealing, nobody seems to be able to point to any evidence that it is doing anything funtional. I don't care what anyone else is doing, anneal your rifle every shot if that's your thing. It just seems like there would be some easily provable benefits from something in such common usage. The talk about work hardening necks makes plenty of sense, but how much does it effect either precision or durability of the brass? I keep hoping to stumble into someone who's actually tested them. The fact that they aren't front and center on the pages of the annealer pages says a lot. If amp could advertise that annealing doubles your brass life, it would be written 20x on their landing page. If there was a tangible use case test that clearly demonstrated increased precision or brass life, I think they would be everywhere. I'm afraid they prove otherwise, but I want to be wrong.

hafejd30 said:

On the ATXC probably not as they promise to come out with the larger bolt head eventually (holding breath in utter excitement) and you can’t buy spare bolts for them yet

I have spares for my AT rifles. One is getting finished up at Black Canyon currently with a 300 WSM barrel

I’m sure you can mod the factory ATXC bolt and the 6.5 barrel is the same across the other platforms. I believe AI says it void’s warranty if you do that though just fyi

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Yes, altering the bolt 100% voids your warranty. Tom told me so verbatim when discussing bolt availability for the XC to have one sent out to BCC to be opened up for the PRC. Waiting for secondary bolts on the XC is likely an exercise in futility, as is with all things AI that they promise in another year or so lol.

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Holliday said:

Interesting, my struggle with SDs has been ongoing with the 6.5 prc and the 6.5 CM. I think that is my best SD in a while.

Well for now I have to make do with the ADG with Hunting season around the corner. I may switch to Lapua next year though.

Thanks for your help.

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Holliday said:

Interesting, my struggle with SDs has been ongoing with the 6.5 prc and the 6.5 CM. I think that is my best SD in a while.

Well for now I have to make do with the ADG with Hunting season around the corner. I may switch to Lapua next year though.

Thanks for your help.

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Hmmmm???? I really don't think that switching to Lapua from ADG is the thing that'll get your SD's lower. I typically use Lapua for my 6.5 PRC and recently got to ADG to try (just because I like to shoot and experiment with different things, since my old body just isn't up to the rigors of hunting anymore) and they've performed just as well for me. For my 6.5 PRC I've used Hornady, Peterson, Lapua and now ADG brass and they all have given me SD's between 4 and 7 (depending on other components I'm using). So, I'm inclined to think that a particular brand of brass is not an issue in terms of SD's. I'm convinced is a great deal about process.

I think your process is just fine. But I do think it'd be a little better if you'd do your first cleaning after you do your annealing (to mitigate any effects of that abrasive oxidation deposit before sizing). Also, you might try mandreling after you tumbled to remove sizing wax. If you haven't tried it yet, just try it and switch these things up and see what you get???

I tend to get SD's in the 4's (whether it's my .308 or 6.5 PRC) when I've sort primers by weight and use bullets sorted by BTO to where the seating stem makes contact with the ogive for consistent seating depth. Other than that, just as an comparison, here's my process:

*Deprime
*Clean primer pockets (pockets have been uniformed and cleaning with same uniformer)
*Anneal (flame heat to red glow for between 1and 2 seconds on an Annealeez machine)
*Clean necks on outside using steel wool to remove annealing oxidation layer
*FL size (non-bushing die with no expander ball) using Imperial Sizing Die Wax; case dwells in die for ~ 4-5 seconds while I lube the next case to be sized
*Check for signs of any body stretching/case head separation using bent paper clip
*Dry Tumble to remove lube with medium grain rice for my media
*Remove media from interior of case, checking for any flash hole obstructions
*Mandrel neck to desired size
*3 way trim to desired length
*Prime cases (seating with Lee ACP for consistent seating depths, sometimes with 21 Century hand primer)
*Charge cases with powder (weighing charges with FX-120i)
*Seat bullets to desired seating depth (using Wilson inline seating die with small hand arbor press from Sinclair); no neck lube necessary due to cleaning process. Seating is very smooth and consistent.

My 6.5 PRC has a Preferred Barrel Blanks barrel that replaced the factory barrel and has over 2,000 rounds on it and have a Krieger barrel waiting to replace it. My .308 has a Krieger 26" 1:10 barrel with 3,200 rounds on it (it's my 3rd barrel on this gun) and a new one like it waiting in the closet.