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Hear me out now- we've all heard about "Big Tobacco", have we ever considered the concept of "Big Ammo"?

This is going to make me sound like I'm off my proverbial rocker and hitting the "devil's weed" and I assure you I have not been doing any of that noise (although maybe I should have been).

I'll post it here first since I usually haunt SH more than other forums but here I go...

I'm sure many of us are familiar with the term "big tobacco" and are old enough to remember when that term came into existence. For those younger- essentially there was a point a couple of decades ago when it was financially lucrative to sue Tobacco companies for health "ailments" (and guess what- the courts agreed with the plaintiffs). So eventually the major Tobacco companies figured out that after decades of competing against each other- when it came to this one particular situation it might be better for them to pool their money together to combat these legal charges.

I'm not arguing that they were right or wrong either, just that they all figured out that they had a common interest in pooling there (otherwise insane) amounts of money together and fighting the lawsuits collectively. I'm sure I'll miss a few but Philip Morris (Marlboro), RJ Reynods (Camel), and plenty others pulled their resources together to fight, not only for their individual companies but for their industry (and arguably that was a successful business decision that I don't seem to recall ever being discussed much).

So with that said- let's "fast forward to today" and change the party of discussion from tobacco companies producing cigarettes to ammunition companies producing (specifically handgun) ammunition. I'm not arguing that ammunition manufacturers are creating a product that gives their customers base cancer through scientific evaluation, what I'm questioning is whether they figured out (either directly or indirectly) that they'd all be better served focusing on one pistol caliber as the (end all be all) rather than competing against each other on a half dozen+ calibers.

Think about it- You're ammunition company 'A' & I'm ammunition company 'B'. We're both competing in the same pistol caliber market, we're both fighting the same legal battles for making "cop killer" or "extra deadly" self defense bullets. We're also manufacturing competing products in 25 ACP, 32 ACP, 380 ACP, 9x19mm, 40 S&W, 357 SIG, 45 GAP, 45 ACP, 50 AE, etc etc. and doing so for decades- the 9mm/40 S&W/357 SIG/45 ACP dominates the market preferences and concerns AND you find a way to bridge the proverbial chasm between your two largest market segments- 9mm & 45 ACP and you now have a 9x19 that can meet the current performance standards of the best 45 ACP (never mind that nobody cared to invest in developing the 45 ACP further than it was capable of 20-40 years ago because, well frankly there wouldn't be a financial incentive in that approach).

Well now you potentially have a "big ammo" situation where they frankly realize they're all being attacked by the same lawsuits and it's better business for them to "circle their wagons" and focus on less calibers (I'm sure that the 9mm being amongst the cheapest for them to produce is just a happy coinicedence) and then free their capital up that was previously spent developing other calibers towards their legal defense/company sustainment monetary requirements.

I know I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed but I don't know if I've ever seen this particular angle discussed before so figured I'd share it/ at least the concept of it.

-LD

where are the legal battles though?


i think there is some collusion. and as ive said before, Federal's business model doesnt make sense to me as there is really demand in the marketplace for a ton of calibers and loadings that is not being fulfilled. and Federal seems to be intentionally holding back on reloading components, because loaded ammo is a higher profit margin?

i really think it boils down to we have hit a saturation point in the firearms industry, and the only way to keep any sales going is to constantly offer new, niche calibers that the gun manufacturers can support with factory chamberings. i think that's what drives it.


i think there is going to be a massive slump in firearms demand and sales as we get towards peak market saturation. but maybe thats just my POV being off base.
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If it’s the same one as 2023 it’s Unitarian Universalist…it’s hardly a real church in anything other than tax exemption. They don’t follow any religion it’s a liberal meeting place. All the stories I’ve found conveniently don’t say what “church”

Unitarians do not believe that Jesus was God. Unitarianism rejects the Christian doctrine of the Trinity, which states that God exists as three persons (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) in one being. Unitarians believe in one God, often referred to as God the Father, and they view Jesus as a significant figure, often a prophet or a moral exemplar, but not God himself.

they also teach man-made climate change during sunday school to indoctrinate the kids.

their religion is really not anything close to christianity or even worshiping God at all. its all about worshipping liberal, leftist ideals. a guy i know who attends one claims he's been an atheist since he was 9 years old.

Testing loads - Am I doing it wrong?

What would you guys do if the Berger hybrids don’t shoot in your barrel? Just mark it up as a bad barrel or keep trying different bullets?
When a bullet doesn't shoot in particular barrel. I try a diffrent bullet. Some barrel and bullet combos don't get along for some reason.

I have loaded 10 each of 5 diffrent 175-180g bullet over the same charge of powder and shot them for groups. My 308 seems to shoot most any bullet exept for the 155Nosler CC.

So Cal Ice protest.

If I was in a head position of gov right now, I’d start being a tad bit concerned cause it could spill out of control real fast.

I think it's going just how they want. Myself, I believe this has been the plan for some time.

And I also believe you're right about the surveillance state. We ain't seen nothing yet. The whole golden dome thing is said to be nothing more than a giant surveillance network. Starlink (skynet) plays a major role in that. When they start unleashing palantirs tech on us citizens, we're in for a world of hurt. There will be no place to hide.
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