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Sling question: BFG / vickers padded sling on a bolt action - cross body & muzzle up?

I can’t seem to find the answer to two simple questions. And BFG is closed right now.

I like to carry bolt action rifles cross-body, muzzle up. Like this (not me):
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1) So will a padded BFG / Blue Force Gear / Vickers / VCAS (all different names for the same damn sling) work just fine? I’m 99.9% sure all I have to do is to attach the padded bit to the rifle’s front for it to be comfortable.

2) I’m less sure of this: with the padded bit attached to the rifle’s forend, can one still adjust length of this “reversed” BFG sling while the gun is over the shoulder (like in the pic)? Muzzle up, either cross-body or not.

See, I’m not sure if the length mechanism will work “backwards”; the opposite of a military muzzle down and over your stomach carry in which this sling is typically used.

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Reloading Equipment 300 NM brass (Lapua made)

I have 2 1 lots of new/primed 300 Norma Mag brass made by Lapua under SOCOM contract. These brass were overrun and headstamped CPG 20. CPG stands for Capstone Precision Group, the parent company of Berger Bullets and the SOCOM contractor for 300NM cartridges.

$175 shipped for a lot of 100.

SOCOM contract info:




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300 Norma Mag

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300 Norma Mag Load Data
10/14/2014
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Wanted to get this back up on the new site:

There is lots of scattered handloading info for the 300NM but I haven't found a dedicated thread so I started one. Loads are organized by bullet weight. Anyone have a different load they really like? Here's what I've found so far:

Trim to: 2.4902" min 2.502" max

208 AMAX
87gr H1000
28” 1-9 Pac-Nor
3140fps

210gr Berger
89.5gr Ramshot magnum
27” 1-10 Rock Creek

210gr Berger
89 g. Retumbo
27" barrel
3130 fps

215gr Berger
92grs RL33
30” barrel
COAL 3.600”
3157 fps (90% case fill)

215gr Berger
89gr Retumbo
26” barrel
COAL 3.600”
3130fps

220gr SMK
92gr H-1000
26” Broughton 1-9
Fed 215GM
COAL 3.463
3003fps

220gr SMK
91gr N-570
30" Bartlein 1-10
Fed 215GM
3200fps

Berger 230gr
H1000 85.5 gr
27” 1-10 Krieger 5R
Velocity ???

Berger 230gr
Retumbo 87gr
27” 1-10 Krieger 5R
Velocity ???

Berger 230gr
H1000 80.7gr
30" 1-10" Lilja
Fed 215M
COAL 3.526"
Velocity ???

230gr Berger
89grs RL33
30” barrel
COAL 3.600”
3050 fps (90% case fill)

230gr Berger
86gr Retumbo
26” barrel
COAL 3.600”
3020fps

230gr Berger
88gr RL33
Barrel ???
COL 3.510
2907fps ES: 3.5

230gr Berger
86gr H50BMG
25.5” barrel
FED 215M
COAL 3.530”
2800fps ES: 3.6

230gr Berger
86gr N570
1-10 barrel
Fed 215M
3001fps

230 Berger
85.3gr Retumbo
26" barrel 1:9.5
WLRM primers
2940fps

240gr SMK
81.7gr H-1000
26” Broughton 1-9
Fed 215GM
COAL 3.436
2875fps

240gr SMK
H1000 81.7gr
Fed 215M
COAL 3.436”
Velocity ???

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Re: 300 Norma Mag Load Data
10/14/2014


I am not in a position to contribute at this time, but I am a consumer of the info contained. With any luck I'll get my 300 Norma built, and be able to contribute in the coming months. The info RE: barrel length and twist is especially helpful. Bring on the additional data. Anyone running a relatively short barrel?
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Re: 300 Norma Mag Load Data
11/28/2014


I believe my 208 A-MAX load was the first one posted. But is a little off.
208 A-MAX
88.8 H-1000
Fed 215 Primer
OAL 3.490
3100 fps
ES 8
28" 1X9 Pac-Nor
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Re: 300 Norma Mag Load Data
01/11/2015


Well I've scoured the section for 300RUM loads with 208s and had no luck. I wonder how close the NM loads would work?

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Re: 300 Norma Mag Load Data
01/18/2015 Last edited 07/30/2015 by jonthomps


230gr Berger

H1000 82gr (*max load in my rifle*)

28" 1-10 barrel

Fed 215M

COAL 3.500"

3012fps

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jonthompsXFirst Sergeant
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Re: 300 Norma Mag Load Data
01/26/2015


Reached out to Corey @ Berger Bullets. Here is the data he gave me for their 215gr pill:
215 Grain, PN: 30423 Bullet, CIP 3.680" COAL, 26" Barrel. 11/5/2014 RB
BulletPowderStart Load In GrainsApprox. Start VelocityMax. Load In GrainsApprox. Max. VelocityFill Ratio
215 GrainAccurate Magpro81.5279586.0294590%
215 GrainAlliant RE-3392.5283897.3300798%
215 GrainHodgdon H100083.5279387.7293298%
215 GrainNorma 21787.0282391.62971103%
215 GrainHodgdon Retumbo87.0282891.72974101%
215 GrainViht. N57088.0284792.8301898%

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jonthompsXFirst Sergeant
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Re: 300 Norma Mag Load Data
01/27/2015


Here is Berger's data for either of their 230gr pills:



.300 Norma Magnum
230 Grain, PN: 30428 Bullet, CIP 3.680" COAL, 26" Barrel. 1/6/2015 RB
BulletPowderStart Load In GrainsApprox. Start VelocityMax. Load In GrainsApprox. Max. VelocityFill Ratio
230 GrainAlliant RE 2578.0269582.3282193%
230 GrainHodgdon Retumbo84.5273589.12874100%
230 GrainHodgdon US 86994.0266999.22844105%
230 GrainHodgdon H50BMG90.0268294.72848105%
230 GrainAlliant RE 5093.5273698.62913103%
.300 Norma Magnum
230 Grain, PN: 30110 Bullet, 3.680" COAL, 26" Barrel. 4/7/2014 RB
BulletPowderStart Load In GrainsApprox. Start VelocityMax. Load In GrainsApprox. Max. VelocityFill Ratio
230 GrainRamshot Magnum80.5262684.5274987%
230 GrainH-100080.0265484.1278695%
230 GrainVIHT N57079.0253388.1285094%
230 GrainRE-3388.5270493.2286596%

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Re: 300 Norma Mag Load Data
02/24/2015


Hi there guys



i loaded up 230 berg in my 300 NM with H1000 84.1 got av 2900 fps very tight group at 100m



though using NORMA brass using 215 Feds I noticed after 1 and 2 firings 2 of the relaoded brass the 215 where loose .



set my die FL sizing die to match as close as possible the gun chamber is it the brass pressures are good fr this load any ideas anyone ?

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Re: 300 Norma Mag Load Data
03/16/2015


Yahtzee. I'm glad I found this thread.

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Re: 300 Norma Mag Load Data
03/21/2015


Out shooting this AM. Great load that shot in the .3's, but it's pretty hot:

Norma brass

215gr Berger hybrid

90gr N570

FGMM 215 primer

3185fps average over 5 shots w/ slight ejector marks from a 28" Bartlein med palma.



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Re: 300 Norma Mag Load Data
04/05/2015


I've been looking for a cartridge to use in a long-range target (maybe hunting?) rig I aim to have built, and the 300NM has to be it; good compromise of power, and efficiency.

My hope is to run Nosler's new 210grain LR Accubond projectiles, slick little buggers, with an incredible G7 BC (.366) as an alternative to the Bergers.

Any suggestions for an action? I'm considering Defiance Machine, or the Mauserfield?

The load data you've listed corresponds damn closely with my calculations. Great resource blokes!!!

Grunkl

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jonthompsXFirst Sergeant
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Re: 300 Norma Mag Load Data
04/07/2015


grunkl wrote:
I've been looking for a cartridge to use in a long-range target (maybe hunting?) rig I aim to have built, and the 300NM has to be it; good compromise of power, and efficiency.​
My hope is to run Nosler's new 210grain LR Accubond projectiles, slick little buggers, with an incredible G7 BC (.366) as an alternative to the Bergers.​
Any suggestions for an action? I'm considering Defiance Machine, or the Mauserfield?​
The load data you've listed corresponds damn closely with my calculations. Great resource blokes!!!​
Grunkl​
Without running the thread off topic too much, I'd say go with Defiance Deviant action. Word to the wise: Nosler is a little overly enthusiastic about the Accubond LR bullet BC's. Do a Google search regarding the accuracy of their advertised BC's. Litz published some info on it.

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Re: 300 Norma Mag Load Data
04/08/2015


jonthomps wrote:
grunkl wrote:
I've been looking for a cartridge to use in a long-range target (maybe hunting?) rig I aim to have built, and the 300NM has to be it; good compromise of power, and efficiency.​
My hope is to run Nosler's new 210grain LR Accubond projectiles, slick little buggers, with an incredible G7 BC (.366) as an alternative to the Bergers.​
Any suggestions for an action? I'm considering Defiance Machine, or the Mauserfield?​
The load data you've listed corresponds damn closely with my calculations. Great resource blokes!!!​
Grunkl​

Without running the thread off topic too much, I'd say go with Defiance Deviant action. Word to the wise: Nosler is a little overly enthusiastic about the Accubond LR bullet BC's. Do a Google search regarding the accuracy of their advertised BC's. Litz published some info on it.​
Yesterday, I finished up developing the lo0ad for my BAT Machine actioned long range hunter 300 NM. Wicked accurate and easy to find a load.... Berger 230, Retumbo 86 gr., FGM magnum, 2973 fps out of a 24" suppressed Broughton.... hole in hole accurate at 100M. tomorrow I will stretch it out to a thousand. I am confident it will do well.​


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Re: 300 Norma Mag Load Data
04/26/2015


230 Berger OTM .719

85.4 of H1000

Norma Brass

Fed nonmatch primers

22" barrel

last 100 yd string was 2867, 2867, 2867, 2853, 2862 and they were all in 1 hole

This rifle has been amazing. Consistent 1000yd groups between 5 and 6 inches. I finally found a spot to shoot the mile (1762) and when we finally went the wind was wildly inconsistent but I had 1 of 13 on target. There was zero splash visible so I'm certain it'll be better next time. I'll take one at a mile considering this rifle represents my first try at long range, first try at reloading, first try at cutting a chamber and building a rifle, first try at a bolt gun actually.

I have had a problem with the brass. About one of every 3 cases won't rechamber in the rifle. They will but I have to really fight to get the bolt closed. Any tips or logic that someone could provide would be extremely helpful.



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Re: 300 Norma Mag Load Data
04/27/2015


It seems like brass life is a common complaint of the 300NM. Speed costs. I'm pushing mine pretty hard and it looks like 3 reloads is all she's gonna give me. If Lapua came with brass (or if someone else like RWS made some tough brass) we'd all be in heaven.

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Re: 300 Norma Mag Load Data
06/19/2015


nnnn16, have you tried bumping the shoulder back just a tad? I run mine thru a redding body die and havent had any problems with it. Dont force it, you'll end up galling your lugs. You want them to chamber like butter.

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Re: 300 Norma Mag Load Data
07/10/2015


83.0 grains of Retumbo
Fed 215M
230 Berger
10Twist
26"
2897 FPS
Verified at 1287 yards

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Re: 300 Norma Mag Load Data
07/23/2015


88.0gr N570 & 215FGMM
3.600" OAL
215 Berger hybrid
1-10" twist
28" barrel
3150fps avg

What a hammer! No pressure signs and extremely accurate. Shot several sub 1" groups at 356y.

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5.56x45 muzzle device questions

Quick Version
I currently use a birdcage type flash hider (came with the gun). It is not an A2 and has an open bottom. It's open all the way around except for the tines.

I'd like to try the benefit of a comp or brake. Do I want something like the WarComp Closed-Tine with the ports in the top that keeps the flash-hider function, or do I want a comp with more holes on the top, or do I want more of a muzzle brake device like the Surefire SOCOM muzzle brake?

More detail
I don't have actual experience with muzzle devices other than a birdcage flash hider. Before I go on a muzzle-device safari and build a costly collection of them in a drawer, I'd like to get feedback on the experience of others with 5.56x45 in particular. Because 556 doesn't have a lot of recoil, I anticipate the effects brakes to be subtler but there is still plenty of gas to drive a comp or brake.

I understand there are flash suppressors that cut bright muzzle flash. There are compensators that blow gas up to push the muzzle down, counteracting muzzle rise. And there are muzzle brakes that blow gas to the sides or back to either reduce the gas pushing the rifle backward or possibly even pull the rifle forward against recoil generated when the bullet and powder mass is ejected.

Flash hiders reduce flash that can interfere with the sight picture and cause a more visible signature. Flash isn't desirable, but it isn't an issue in daylight, competition, recreational shooting or most situations where one isn't anticipating return fire.

Compensators should tame muzzle rise. While 556 doesn't generate a lot of recoil, the sight picture is affected. If any magnification is used in the optic, the movement is also magnified. Even slight muzzle movement also requires time for the muzzle to return on target which would increase split times in competition. I imagine that lateral movement compensated by compensators is more disturbing to sight picture than the longitudinal movement straight-back that brakes attenuate.

Muzzle brakes primarily keep the gas ejected from the muzzle from pushing the rifle backward, instead directing it out to the sides. This is understood to be particularly annoying to people adjacent to the shooter's position. While this straight-back gas thrust portion of recoil itself should not disturb sight picture, it is inevitably directed into the shooter who himself does not recoil straight back but bends in his soft tissue and at joints resulting in angular and lateral movement.

I understand that some people find comps and brakes bothersome because of the blast that can be directed toward the shooter. Other people note that the blast is less often directed backward, but more to the sides. There are some brakes that actually direct gas backward. The brakes that direct gas to the sides are more problematic when there are reflective surfaces in those directions.

I also understand there are suppressors, and a lot of muzzle devices are suppressor attachment points.

I currently use a birdcage type flash hider (came with the gun). It is not an A2 and has an open bottom. It's open all the way around except for the tines. My use is for training and civic duty. I have better options for home defense.

I'd like to try the benefit of a comp or brake. Do I want something like the WarComp Closed-Tine with the ports in the top that keeps the flash-hider function, or do I want a comp with more holes on the top, or do I want more of a muzzle brake device like the Surefire SOCOM muzzle brake?

Left Hand Sale WTS - KMW Sentinel 300WM LEFT HAND

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Suppressors TBAC Magnus

Looking for real world input/experience. I am going to buy 2 suppressors from TBAC. I am going to run the SR brake on 5 bolt rifles and swap the 2 suppressors between the 5.

I am torn between a combination of Magnus S, Magnus S RR, Magnus, and Magnus RR.

Looking for experience regarding whether the RR is worth the length and cost in terms of recoil reduction vs the non RR and if the noise increase on the RR negates the suppression

Sling Studs to Flush Cups

Many factory rifles come with the old sling studs, which I completely hate and have utterly no use for. To me it's like drilling a wood screw into the stock for no reason. All of the good slings I use for competition are on QD. Only my hunting rifles have slings that live on them where I don't mind these studs.

In the past I've removed the studs, drilled out the holes, and installed GroveTec flushcups. This way I can use the rifle for silhouette and off hand matches with a sling, but also remove it for Base Class positional shooting.

My LGS that focuses on ARs found these:

I'd never seen them before, but they're a great idea if you have no use for sling studs and they require no modification to the gun. I ordered a pair, and my only reservation is that they may annoy me, flopping around, went the sling is off...but we'll see.

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