92’s are fucking garbage as is Berettas CS. My attorney is filing a lawsuit against them in the coming months for an injury sustained due to my new 1301 malfunctioning due to a manufacturing defect as soon as it’s fully healed.
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You obviously never bought a new car or you would understand how the warranty scenario would play out.
About all you do is get on your soapbox and misuse words.
Such as your and you're.
Just my $.02. I have a M9 that probably has 20,000+ rounds on it and has been flawless.
That being said, I like my Sig P226 better.
That being said, I like my Sig P226 better.
After reading 3 pages about this issue, I've decided to not buy anything made by Beretta in the future.
Good luck.
They make some great guns. The 92 has never been 1 of them.
Are you going to avoid every manufacturer that has sent out something that worked until it didn't?
I've always understood that when you buy a gun, it's yours. There is no returning it for exchange or refund, even if defective. But that's apparently just how gun dealers have conditioned us. It's not a rule or written in stone.
I have returned two defective firearms to my local gun shop. They offered exchange or refund, whatever I want. Now this is a larger sporting goods store that sells a ton of guns. So they probably have an understanding with their distributors. A small mom and pop store probably doesn't have the pull to do the same. But stores like this do exist.
I have returned two defective firearms to my local gun shop. They offered exchange or refund, whatever I want. Now this is a larger sporting goods store that sells a ton of guns. So they probably have an understanding with their distributors. A small mom and pop store probably doesn't have the pull to do the same. But stores like this do exist.
So what's stopping OP from just buying another extractor? Is it a unicorn design? When I get a new pistol or rifle I usually buy some spare parts even if I don't need them.
berettas have to be run wet with high quality virgin olive oil. otherwise you're asking for trouble.
Lol "Samurai Edge". A prettyfied Brigadier is fine but I'll never not think that name is silly even for a video game gun.
Agreed. S&W replaced a barrel for me on a 5 year old 1911 and covered shipping both ways. The experience was amazing and made me a huge fan. The gun in this thread is new.
Goodwill from profit-driven & marketing-driven companies is a thing of the past.
Most large firearm companies are this way and the CS reps are powerless to help.
My experiences with Sig (Crap MPX-out of the box-sent back twice -I found the fault and fixed it myself) and S&W (WaltherP22 slide failure) have been sub-optimal.
My current process for buying a firearm is to first make sure that small parts, like ejectors, extractors, etc. are available. If they're not, I wait until they are.
Companies that prioritize getting units out the door over addressing customer issues/parts failures on newly purchased units are poisoning their own well.
As for the dealer, they appeared to assist the OP and did what they could by assisting in getting the unit back to the mfg.
The rest is fumes.
Most large firearm companies are this way and the CS reps are powerless to help.
My experiences with Sig (Crap MPX-out of the box-sent back twice -I found the fault and fixed it myself) and S&W (WaltherP22 slide failure) have been sub-optimal.
My current process for buying a firearm is to first make sure that small parts, like ejectors, extractors, etc. are available. If they're not, I wait until they are.
Companies that prioritize getting units out the door over addressing customer issues/parts failures on newly purchased units are poisoning their own well.
As for the dealer, they appeared to assist the OP and did what they could by assisting in getting the unit back to the mfg.
The rest is fumes.
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What was the MPX fault that you fixed yourself? TYIA
The MPX (Gen2) had a bent ejector. It ran poorly out of the box and had feeding/stovepipe issues.
I was told twice by Sig CS that nothing was wrong with it- after sending it back, twice. I even sent them slow motion video of the gun choking.
I tried 6 different ammo mfgs. and still had issues.
Eventually, when small parts became available, I replaced every component- piece by piece. And tested it with every part replacement. The problem stopped when I replaced the ejector. The stock ejector was bent.
I'll never buy another new Sig , or any gun for that matter, without being able to shoot it first.
I could've purchased a new CZ Scorpion for what I spent "fixing" the MPX.
I was told twice by Sig CS that nothing was wrong with it- after sending it back, twice. I even sent them slow motion video of the gun choking.
I tried 6 different ammo mfgs. and still had issues.
Eventually, when small parts became available, I replaced every component- piece by piece. And tested it with every part replacement. The problem stopped when I replaced the ejector. The stock ejector was bent.
I'll never buy another new Sig , or any gun for that matter, without being able to shoot it first.
I could've purchased a new CZ Scorpion for what I spent "fixing" the MPX.
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Sold my new in box dirt cheap MPX like a moron. Oh regrets....
It’s 2021/22 it’s trendy to “work to live and not live to work” so the old craftsmen and artisans are all but a dead breed, thus most products arnt built with a single fuck to give. So unless you buying a SVI or JP or something like that, it’s going to arrive somewhat defective and require someone who give a shit [you] to fix/finish it.
My Sig 938 is a great pistol, after hours of my time and $2-300 in aftermarket parts.
Option two is spend 5k or more on a SVI built by actual men who care about their craft and honor.
It’s sad, I could only imagine sitting down with your kid and telling them daddy goes to work all day, isn’t good at his job, makes shit products that break and piss people off, just is there to collect his pittance check, has no self worth or pride, but tries to spend as much time with his little kid, sadly probably rubbing “mindset” that off on the little bastard, as he can, circling the drain we are.
No, but I've read more than a few complaints about U.S. produced Berettas.
Some others may be worth it.
I had horrible CS with my 1301 Gen. 1, had to fix it myself and will do so from now on with all my firearms if possible. Beretta is too big for it's britches and doesn't give a shit about their brand or customers. The whole "we need the whole firearms" when they could just send you a damn part is ridiculous. I think it's just the way they get out of fixing problems when they occur, because it's too expensive to send back on your dime. Sig did the same when I had issues with my brand new RDS 226 slide, wanted the whole pistol. They said "we don't have frames in our shop to test on your slide" WOW
Update: The 92 is all better now! It extracts spent cases... who'd a thunk that was necessary?
I actually ended up doing the repair myself - found a YouTube video explaining how to deal with the staking of the pivot pin (which, to my surprise, consisted of ignoring that it was there in the first place and just wack the pin out as usual). Pin came right out with a punch and a couple wacks of a hammer with the slide supported on a role of mailing tape .
You can see in the close up of the old extractor what happened (sort of... hard to photograph): corner chipped. I am honestly baffled at how low quality the original extractor is. I mean it looks like shit. The replacement I put in was machined smoother, the chamber indicator red paint actually exists, the extractor claw is more defined, etc. Like WTF Beretta? Talk about "top notch" quality control.
Still going to see about making an aftermarket alternative with some design changes (in particular an improvement to the chamber indicator) and hopefully a better quality metal - like whatever Wolverine's claws are... something like that. Don't want anymore effing problems!
Decided to install the Wilson Combat +50% extractor spring and their fluted steal guide rod (replacing the factory plastic one). The factory spring seemed fine but with the Wilson spring... I wanna say the gun is extracting better. It's certainly shooting out the spent case farther than it did originally (I think, anyway). What's obvious, though, is the gun cycles notably smoother by hand with the metal guide rod! Love that.
Oh, and I got to test out a CZ Orange and Blue today. I like my Beretta better. The CZ felt like ass in my hand... oh well.
I actually ended up doing the repair myself - found a YouTube video explaining how to deal with the staking of the pivot pin (which, to my surprise, consisted of ignoring that it was there in the first place and just wack the pin out as usual). Pin came right out with a punch and a couple wacks of a hammer with the slide supported on a role of mailing tape
.You can see in the close up of the old extractor what happened (sort of... hard to photograph): corner chipped. I am honestly baffled at how low quality the original extractor is. I mean it looks like shit. The replacement I put in was machined smoother, the chamber indicator red paint actually exists, the extractor claw is more defined, etc. Like WTF Beretta? Talk about "top notch" quality control.
Still going to see about making an aftermarket alternative with some design changes (in particular an improvement to the chamber indicator) and hopefully a better quality metal - like whatever Wolverine's claws are... something like that. Don't want anymore effing problems!
Decided to install the Wilson Combat +50% extractor spring and their fluted steal guide rod (replacing the factory plastic one). The factory spring seemed fine but with the Wilson spring... I wanna say the gun is extracting better. It's certainly shooting out the spent case farther than it did originally (I think, anyway). What's obvious, though, is the gun cycles notably smoother by hand with the metal guide rod! Love that.
Oh, and I got to test out a CZ Orange and Blue today. I like my Beretta better. The CZ felt like ass in my hand... oh well.
Dunno squat about Beretta handguns but I have had a number of their OU shotguns, rode hard I competition, and they are like the old Timex commercial…just keep on ticking.
With that said, I would never go back to them for any sort of repair work, it’s like pissing into the wind.
And I live in Maryland within a couple of hours of their USA facility. Went there once…never again. Waste of time.
With that said, I would never go back to them for any sort of repair work, it’s like pissing into the wind.
And I live in Maryland within a couple of hours of their USA facility. Went there once…never again. Waste of time.
Several years ago I won a Taurus stainless 1911 9mm in a local police benefit auction. the thing literally had a 12lb trigger.
After replacing ALL the mim parts with quality parts and reworking the trigger it turned into the sweetest shooting pistol I have.
Been a few years, reckon I need to get it out.
After replacing ALL the mim parts with quality parts and reworking the trigger it turned into the sweetest shooting pistol I have.
Been a few years, reckon I need to get it out.
Beretta 92 comes with a plastic guide rod? And that crappy extractor? That really sucks for the amount of money it cost.
Glad I bought a Taurus 92.
Sent mine back last year or so for the barrel starting to leave marks on the frame. CS started out rough, sent in my gun, then heard nothing for a while. Then the pistol just showed up one day with a note saying they put a new locking block in it. At least they did something.
Glad I bought a Taurus 92.
Sent mine back last year or so for the barrel starting to leave marks on the frame. CS started out rough, sent in my gun, then heard nothing for a while. Then the pistol just showed up one day with a note saying they put a new locking block in it. At least they did something.
Tons of guns have plastic guide rods these days, pretty common tbh.
I've never seen a broken extractor this soon on any pistol either, my p226 extractor lasted 27 years.
The first release of the 92x Performance had a steel guide rod, mine did anyway. If yours came with a .25 cent plastic one that's more proof of Beretta's lack of product awareness and what consumers consider a "high end" handgun.......... incredibly dumb on Beretta to save a quarter on an expensive pistol
Isn’t one of the points of the plastic extractor less friction?
Personally I only run SS, half of which TiN coated.
Personally I only run SS, half of which TiN coated.
The first release of the 92x Performance had a steel guide rod, mine did anyway. If yours came with a .25 cent plastic one that's more proof of Beretta's lack of product awareness and what consumers consider a "high end" handgun.......... incredibly dumb on Beretta to save a quarter on an expensive pistol
Consumers are retards, I still wanna know what kind of ammo he was running because I've never seen a broken extractor that soon even on a hipoint. I don't own a beretta 92 either, they feel weird in my hand, something just seems fucky about this thread though.
I sent a g20 back after a few rounds. They sent a sheet back with a bunch parts listed. I couldn’t tell if they cataloged all the parts I shipped to them ie. The whole pistol. Or if the replaced every part of the pistol. It works now.
It has a plastic rod to make IDPA max weight. The gun was released for IDPA competition and barely makes the cut. No IDPA I’ve ever been to has ever weighed a gun, though.The first release of the 92x Performance had a steel guide rod, mine did anyway. If yours came with a .25 cent plastic one that's more proof of Beretta's lack of product awareness and what consumers consider a "high end" handgun.......... incredibly dumb on Beretta to save a quarter on an expensive pistol
More info please.
I know you are way past sending it back, but this makes no sense to me.
So, they couldn't have just put your slide and barrel on another frame and test fire it that way?
Am I missing some reason why that couldn't have been done?
Believe me. I just rolled my eyes and relegated myself to effectively not having a warranty.
It has a plastic rod to make IDPA max weight. The gun was released for IDPA competition and barely makes the cut. No IDPA I’ve ever been to has ever weighed a gun, though.
Club matches rarely weigh or chrono...or even check with the box. I used to do all three periodically so guys would not DQ themselves at a sanctioned match. FL state finished a few hours ago. Of the DQs, one was size, two weight and one PF.
Can you at least tell us where you got the extractor replacement from and a link to the YouTube videoUpdate: The 92 is all better now! It extracts spent cases... who'd a thunk that was necessary?
I actually ended up doing the repair myself - found a YouTube video explaining how to deal with the staking of the pivot pin (which, to my surprise, consisted of ignoring that it was there in the first place and just wack the pin out as usual). Pin came right out with a punch and a couple wacks of a hammer with the slide supported on a role of mailing tape
You can see in the close up of the old extractor what happened (sort of... hard to photograph): corner chipped. I am honestly baffled at how low quality the original extractor is. I mean it looks like shit. The replacement I put in was machined smoother, the chamber indicator red paint actually exists, the extractor claw is more defined, etc. Like WTF Beretta? Talk about "top notch" quality control.
Still going to see about making an aftermarket alternative with some design changes (in particular an improvement to the chamber indicator) and hopefully a better quality metal - like whatever Wolverine's claws are... something like that. Don't want anymore effing problems!
Decided to install the Wilson Combat +50% extractor spring and their fluted steal guide rod (replacing the factory plastic one). The factory spring seemed fine but with the Wilson spring... I wanna say the gun is extracting better. It's certainly shooting out the spent case farther than it did originally (I think, anyway). What's obvious, though, is the gun cycles notably smoother by hand with the metal guide rod! Love that.
Oh, and I got to test out a CZ Orange and Blue today. I like my Beretta better. The CZ felt like ass in my hand... oh well.
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@BCP For effing sake, dude... there's literally pictures of my gun and the extractor failure was real.
Sure. At least... I can.
I ordered the trigger from eBay (here) - it's actually a take off from a new standard Beretta 92 (made who knows when). Looked newer and better made by a long shot than my new (bought December 2021) 92X. I messaged the seller, he said they come off standard 92s. It didn't look used at all. This is the website of the eBay seller: https://www.arms-right.com/. I never asked why he has a stock of take-off 92 extractors... maybe they're sourcing them from otherwise defective units or maybe 92s that went into the "full custom" realm... if such a thing exists. Whatever... it's fixed.
The YouTube video I found showed at one point the gun with the pivot pin staked and he just ignored it and then I read in a comment somewhere he or someone else answered a question about it and my concern it was going to be a limiting factor was quashed. The pin came right out and I re-staked it with a suitable screwdriver in the same groove the factory stake was and that pressed the stake-metal back to where it was originally.
Here's a few videos I referenced (don't remember which one I got the deciding information from):
Enjoy...
I've only done IDPA at two local ranges indoors. They don't feel very "official". I never have seen a scale or the box. I go with a different pistol every time. Not trying to make national competition. Did it once with a Kimber Micro 9 -- got second to last place, thank you very much.
If I get booted from the championship one day
ROFLMAO because I don't make weight... I guess I'll live. Nobody said it was fake, just wondered what ammo you were using etc. I've had extraction issues with some types of ammo in 9mm "match" barrels. Why don't you calm the fuck down, you sound like some kind of crackhead nutjob.
So much for the trusty, reliable Beretta 92
I don't want to join a Beretta forum or some crap so I'll just bitch about this here. Purchased my Beretta 92X Performance Defensive on December 6th. Went to the range, got used to it. Shoots great. Go to an IDPA match, first time bringing the 92X along. All goes well until round three. It...
www.snipershide.com There's even a picture for those of us that can't read good.
I've only done IDPA at two local ranges indoors. They don't feel very "official". I never have seen a scale or the box. I go with a different pistol every time. Not trying to make national competition. Did it once with a Kimber Micro 9 -- got second to last place, thank you very much.
If I get booted from the championship one day
Provided the DQ isn't for safety, you'll get to shoot the entire match...just not for score.
If I ain't scorin', I ain't lovin'.
At least you get to see where you would have placed rather than go home early. Equipment DQs are more lenient than in the past. One guy shooting CCP didn't fit the box. He was allowed to switch to SSP and finish the match.
Don't take offense to this, but i have a few and i find them to be garbage, they're the weakest handguns on earth, slides crack with factory ammo, run something hot and they self destruct. and for $1500 they should have blown you before delivery. Sell it and get a nice combat commander in 38 super, which puts a 9 to shame, plus with hot loads its damn close to a .357 at almost 1500fps, so you've got a match grade gun and when you get home it will elimate anything that tries to creep in the night into you're home.
Reliable? I have to and destroyed 2, don't take this personal, but they are flimsiest pos on earth, slides crack with even factory loads, God forbid you load it hot and it self desctructs, plus an accomplished practitioner can rip the slide off before you pull the trigger, Not a movie myth knew two guys who could do it while in auto pistol school as a cop in the day. junk it and get one of these, Colt Combat Command lightweight in 38 super, I paid $650 although they were only a run of 5 or 600 and bring 11-1200, but still cheaper than beretta, it awesome target round and loaded hot a 115 grain jhp at almost 1500fps hits with 540ft lbs which is damn close to a lower end 357 mag and destroys 115/125 +p+ 9s by a large margin so after you win at the range you can rest easy knowing it will knock down any creepy thing that means you harm. the 1911 is like the american AK47, but someone got greased big to chose the 92 for the service, over a 100 year old masterpiece, all about money, and the fact that the spec ops guys don't never used them tells you something. An ex seal i worked with on the force always said don't ever trust your life to a 92 or a Glock, another great shit box, you havn't live till you climb in a window during a robbery in progress and scrape the side of the window and here what sounds like marbles falling so you look down and the back of the mag came off and all your bullets fell out of the mag lol. the gift of polymer, Best of luck i hope they make good for the money you spent.
I'll bet your thinking the same as I.
