This is how Navy fuck ups really happen

[308pirate]

If you're interested in understanding how our warships hit the bottom or other ships despite being loaded with "high tech" sensors and systems that "would never allow that to happen".....watch this outstanding debrief about the grounding of the USS Connecticut


Ships and subs collide and run aground because of a systemic failure of leadership and sometimes of training too. No, the fucking chinese do not and cannot hack our ship control systems despite what you stupid, know-nothing motherfuckers think. Next time, shut the fuck up and stay in your lane. You know who you are.

 

[Jgault]

My father was in the Navy and it used to be if you ran anything aground that was your last chance of being in command, but now we live in a time of participation trophies, I blame soccer.

 

[308pirate]

My father was in the Navy and it used to be if you ran anything aground that was your last chance of being in command, but now we live in a time of participation trophies, I blame soccer.

You obviously didn't watch the video. The CO, XO, COB, NAV, ANAV, OOD, and QMOW were all shitcanned.

 

[Pharmseller]

I don’t care 50 minutes worth. Gimme the Cliff’s Notes version.

 

[candyx]

If you run aground a lot just have tide charts handy, then pray that your drinking during low tide......

 

[Yasherka]

I don’t care 50 minutes worth. Gimme the Cliff’s Notes version.

The majority of the crew were fucked up as polio

 

[TheGerman]

I don’t care 50 minutes worth. Gimme the Cliff’s Notes version.

There were about 50 warning signs and they were all known about, yet literally no one did a fucking thing about any of them like it just didn't matter.

It wasn't a surprise, it was shit like getting warnings about sounding/loss of sounding, not telling anyone during the entire shift, getting off your shift and not telling the next person about any warnings or issues either.

Also, on a bazillion dollar sub, all sorts of shit is constantly broken and doesn't work, like all of the time. Feedback from training staff is useless because even if they mention problems, the admiral in charge of it all will just be like, oh who cares, and send all his deficient crews right back out because reasons.

High chance that the unnamed officer on deck at the time was female. But lets definitely not name names or mention that in the report.

 

[navynambu]

I didn't spend the 50 minutes either, but news flash. If you go on patrol long enough, you will take casualties. If you ride a motorcycle long enough, you will fall off. And every boat hits something sooner or later. It's just the way the world works. Despite all the planning and OCD anyone and everyone puts into it, boats hit shit.

 

[308pirate]

The majority of the crew were fucked up as polio

If you were right, the boat would be at the bottom of the S China Sea and everyone aboard dead.

The command, the OOD, and navigation team were fuck ups. The engineering watch, the ship control team, and the auxiliaries man and fire party saved the boat

 

[308pirate]

I didn't spend the 50 minutes either, but news flash. If you go on patrol long enough, you will take casualties. If you ride a motorcycle long enough, you will fall off. And every boat hits something sooner or later. It's just the way the world works. Despite all the planning and OCD anyone and everyone puts into it, boats hit shit.

You're wrong. This was a complete failure of leadership at almost every level. This fuck up was completely preventable.

Glad I didn't sail with you......

 

[308pirate]

High chance that the unnamed officer on deck at the time was female.

AFAIK women submariners are only allowed on Ohio class SSBNs and SSGNs as they are the only ones large enough to have enough private berthing for them.

What's unbelievable to me is that the sub's admin command (CSDS-5) actually told the higher level commands that this boat was fucked up and they told him to STFU and change his eval to make them deployable.

This is what senior "leadership" installed by Obama does, not only then but now because of the culure they left the Navy with.

 

[Jgault]

You obviously didn't watch the video. The CO, XO, COB, NAV, ANAV, OOD, and QMOW were all shitcanned.

You obviously didn’t understand my comment, there are numerous individuals in command in the current Navy that have run ships aground in port or at sea. It’s no longer considered a instant career ender like it once was, and when it happens on a small vessel it displays an individuals complete lack of the most basic seamanship. To wait until they wreck something to expensive to ignore to relieve them of their current and end any future command is to late.

 

[candyx]

Question for you Navy guys, when at sea are you allowed to bang the female sailors ?

 

[db2000]

Fire alarms are constantly tested at the VAMC. There’s no indication it’s a test. Just “Code Red Building xyz” with alarms sounding and strobes blinking. If an actual fire breaks out I’m assuming 1/2 the patients will burn up unfortunately. It’s interesting to watch patient visitor reactions. Some seemed concerned, the rest are more like staff and barely seem to notice. Classic .gov

 

[308pirate]

You obviously didn’t understand my comment, there are numerous individuals in command in the current Navy that have run ships aground in port or at sea.

Who are they? Got names? I'd love to know.

 

[308pirate]

Question for you Navy guys, when at sea are you allowed to bang the female sailors ?

Are you serious?

 

[candyx]

Are you serious?

Won't be asking if I wasn't

 

[chevy_man]

Question for you Navy guys, when at sea are you allowed to bang the female sailors ?

Does it stop if it's not allowed?

Pretty sure that's been an issue forever.

 

[308pirate]

Won't be asking if I wasn't

The answer to when is it allowed at sea is never

 

[rtB]

No, the fucking chinese do not and cannot hack our ship control systems despite what you stupid, know-nothing motherfuckers think.

It was the North Koreans. Dammit.

 

[acudaowner]

nope totally get how a person could miss a land mass while piloting a ship land is tricky one minute it's not there then it's there dirt tried to throw you off with that it takes time to get used to it's tricks and other ships , and bridges well they hide well . lol

 

[Jgault]

Who are they? Got names? I'd love to know.

Yes I have access to sll Navy files, I’ll just print that list right out. It’s an observation coming from being from a Navy family, and if your that curious you can look on google. If you believe that the standards of the Navy today are as good or better than in the past then believe that. Unfortunately like other branches my opinion is there is now a much more powerful political officer class who are generally incompetent.

 

[NoDopes]

The sub was almost a mile off course.
Boom.

 

[pmclaine]

The answer to when is it allowed at sea is never

And guns are pretty much banned in Chicago......

 

[Nik H]

If you're interested in understanding how our warships hit the bottom or other ships despite being loaded with "high tech" sensors and systems that "would never allow that to happen".....watch this outstanding debrief about the grounding of the USS Connecticut


Ships and subs collide and run aground because of a systemic failure of leadership and sometimes of training too. No, the fucking chinese do not and cannot hack our ship control systems despite what you stupid, know-nothing motherfuckers think. Next time, shut the fuck up and stay in your lane. You know who you are.

That was pretty enlightening....I always laughed at the position that the Chinese had the ability to commandeer our control systems. I have no direct experience with Naval Vessel control systems but on the RADAR / Comms system side, it would be pretty impossible to do.

 

[308pirate]

And guns are pretty much banned in Chicago......

Well he did ask if it was allowed, not if it happened.

 

[308pirate]

That was pretty enlightening....I always laughed at the position that the Chinese had the ability to commandeer our control systems. I have no direct experience with Naval Vessel control systems but on the RADAR / Comms system side, it would be pretty impossible to do.

It'd be even more impossible when talking about rudders, engine controls, etc. dumbasses will say dumbass things.

 

[308pirate]

Yes I have access to sll Navy files, I’ll just print that list right out. It’s an observation coming from being from a Navy family, and if your that curious you can look on google. If you believe that the standards of the Navy today are as good or better than in the past then believe that. Unfortunately like other branches my opinion is there is now a much more powerful political officer class who are generally incompetent.

OK, so you made up your claim. Got it.

The Navy today is fubar in many ways but I'm pretty sure grounding/crashing/sinking your own ship is still a career ender.

 

[308pirate]

nope totally get how a person could miss a land mass while piloting a ship land is tricky one minute it's not there then it's there dirt tried to throw you off with that it takes time to get used to it's tricks and other ships , and bridges well they hide well . lol

Go back to sleep......

 

[DeathBeforeDismount]

I have worked for every service either in uniform or as a GS. Naval officers and leadership is hands down the most incompetent and lazy of any of the services.

They are also the only service that still practices the caste system. Officers or SNCO's dont even eat with their men. No wonder everything is so dyfunctional and there is a lack of accountability.

 

[Short-bus]

Question for you Navy guys, when at sea are you allowed to bang the female sailors ?

It's the Navy, they aren't interested in the females...

Branden

 

[308pirate]

I have worked for every service either in uniform or as a GS. Naval officers and leadership is hands down the most incompetent and lazy of any of the services.

They are also the only service that still practices the caste system. Officers or SNCO's dont even eat with their men. No wonder everything is so dyfunctional and there is a lack of accountability.

You paint with a mighty broad brush. And you're making a bigger deal about wardrooms and chiefs messes than it is, which I'm not surprised since you see it from the outside.

I can only speak for the ships I sailed on, the officers, chiefs, and men I served with. There was the occasional shitbag in the lower decks and in the wardrooms and they got dealt with swiftly. I never served with an incompetent CPO.

I'm sure your Army isn't much better, if at all.

 

[E. Bryant]

I didn't spend the 50 minutes either, but news flash. If you go on patrol long enough, you will take casualties. If you ride a motorcycle long enough, you will fall off. And every boat hits something sooner or later. It's just the way the world works. Despite all the planning and OCD anyone and everyone puts into it, boats hit shit.

Adapting this mindset is an outstanding way to ensure that negligent mistakes - not "accidents" - continue to occur. The only way to drive negligence to the absolute minimum is by creating a culture with extremely high standards of performance (such as a "zero incidents" mentality) and then providing a feedback system by which even small failures are analyzed in a thorough but dispassionate manner. That minimizes the potential for a bunch of little mistakes to compound to one big one, which is typically what we get when sprinkling in a touch of actual random misfortune.

 

[Jgault]

OK, so you made up your claim. Got it.

The Navy today is fubar in many ways but I'm pretty sure grounding/crashing/sinking your own ship is still a career ender.

So when you say the Navy is fubar you made that up got it, by your definition you make up most of the things that you post, it’s just a observation, like most things in life, just like the fact you can’t prove that in the modern Navy there aren’t current Commanders who haven’t grounded a ship before.

 

[EddieNFL]

AF fuck ups happen when officers get involved; most often lieutenants or GOs.

 

[Mike Casselton]

AF fuck ups happen when officers get involved; most often lieutenants or GOs.

When it actually is an enlisted person, the dumb assed zero wants to keep giving the fuck up more and more chances to fuck up over and over.

It's hard to take out the trash when they keep moving the trash can out of reach.

 

[NoDopes]

So, what's an acceptable level of off course for a sub?
The video just said this was really bad.
Also, isn't it fairly easy to sync when when going across known quick shifts in depth?

 

[gunsnjeeps]

308, why is it always the West Coast? Seems to me there is an underlying problem in leadership. I know that it's not the same Navy as it used to be on several fronts, but it seems that they are playing CYA instead of addressing training and crew cert issues.

 

[Inifinty]

It's the Navy, they aren't interested in the females...

Branden

Was gonna ask next if the mangina was off limits for semen.

Curious lot those swabs.

 

[NoDopes]

Why Multi-Billion Dollar Nuclear Submarines Still Run Into Things Underwater

A veteran submariner explains the challenges crews face navigating complex undersea environments that they can't even see.

www.thedrive.com

Little info on navs.

 

[Ronws]

NAVY, Never Again Volunteer Yourself.

I could not serve but I had a military ID at the age of 10 because my step-father was second class boiler tech aboard the USS Ogden circa 1974.

 

[7.62willdo]

Was gonna ask next if the mangina was off limits for semen.

Curious lot those swabs.

It ain’t gay if your underway……
it ain’t queer if you’ve left the pier……

 

[Huskydriver]

NAVY, Never Again Volunteer Yourself.

I could not serve but I had a military ID at the age of 10 because my step-father was second class boiler tech aboard the USS Ogden circa 1974.

 

[Redmanss]

I guarantee every branch has its fuck up commands, the Navy just makes bigger headlines when they have one because they results are far worse $$$$$$$$$ wise.

I've been in those types of commands but we only had guys killed, doesn't cost that much to replace them, and the public doesn't get too up in arms over just another grunt getting killed. At least the command got wiped and replaced, all to an ignored press release. Bend a bow though, holy shit stop the presses, drama whores have to get a hold of this one right now.

 

[hlee]

You obviously didn't watch the video. The CO, XO, COB, NAV, ANAV, OOD, and QMOW were all shitcanned.

But, we can still blame soccer? Right?

 

[308pirate]

So when you say the Navy is fubar you made that up got it, by your definition you make up most of the things that you post, it’s just a observation, like most things in life, just like the fact you can’t prove that in the modern Navy there aren’t current Commanders who haven’t grounded a ship before.

Are you stupid or something?

The Navy has had an appalling safety record recently, with glaring examples of incredibly poor seamanship, navigation, and leadership. It's well documented and it qualifies as fubar. I don't need to make anything up.

You made an outrageous claim that there are officers who have not been relieved of command following a collision or grounding. YOU made the claim. Not me. I asked for even one bit of evidence and you backed off with excuses.

I don't give a fuck if your dad served in the Navy. You didn't, which gives you less than zero credibility.

 

[Jgault]

Are you stupid or something?

The Navy has had an appalling safety record recently, with glaring examples of incredibly poor seamanship, navigation, and leadership. It's well documented and it qualifies as fubar. I don't need to make anything up.

You made an outrageous claim that there are officers who have not been relieved of command following a collision or grounding. YOU made the claim. Not me. I asked for even one bit of evidence and you backed off with excuses.

I don't give a fuck if your dad served in the Navy. You didn't, which gives you less than zero credibility.

Couldn’t care less what someone who evidently loves to argue on the net in every thread most likely because no one cares what they think in the real world thinks of my credibility or anything else really, just argue with yourself that way at least one other party to the conversation will care what is said.

 

[pmclaine]

Are you stupid or something?

The Navy has had an appalling safety record recently, with glaring examples of incredibly poor seamanship, navigation, and leadership. It's well documented and it qualifies as fubar. I don't need to make anything up.

You made an outrageous claim that there are officers who have not been relieved of command following a collision or grounding. YOU made the claim. Not me. I asked for even one bit of evidence and you backed off with excuses.

I don't give a fuck if your dad served in the Navy. You didn't, which gives you less than zero credibility.

Bring back the sextant and get guys in the "Crows Nest" and the wings with binos......

Add a little tumblehome in the stern to create sex appeal.

 

[pmclaine]

Are you stupid or something?

The Navy has had an appalling safety record recently, with glaring examples of incredibly poor seamanship, navigation, and leadership. It's well documented and it qualifies as fubar. I don't need to make anything up.

You made an outrageous claim that there are officers who have not been relieved of command following a collision or grounding. YOU made the claim. Not me. I asked for even one bit of evidence and you backed off with excuses.

I don't give a fuck if your dad served in the Navy. You didn't, which gives you less than zero credibility.

Hey its not every day someone is trying to claim they were in the Navy.

Fill your chest and feel that you are envied.

 

[EddieNFL]

I guarantee every branch has its fuck up commands, the Navy just makes bigger headlines when they have one because they results are far worse $$$$$$$$$ wise.

I've been in those types of commands but we only had guys killed, doesn't cost that much to replace them, and the public doesn't get too up in arms over just another grunt getting killed. At least the command got wiped and replaced, all to an ignored press release. Bend a bow though, holy shit stop the presses, drama whores have to get a hold of this one right now.

That's a fact of life, Red. Bernie Madoff stole a bunch of money, sentenced to 150 years. I could kill my neighbor and be out in 10 or less.

It's always the money