Wow. You really are a democrat.
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Wow. You really are a democrat.
You've done it now, you've scraped the metaphorical bottom of the barrel in a debate. There's no way to get any lower. Did you have to flip a coin to decide whether to call me a Democrat or insult my mother?
You're just being ridiculous...... again..
If he comes back with a “yo mamma”, he wins.
Are you LE? All this seems personal to you?
I dont think a single person on this forum wants any LE killed, because most every person hates the type doing the killing more than LE. The problem is, they (LE) have aligned themselves with corruption, deceit, and policies in conflict with our constitution.
They have the same stigma as black people. Its reached a point where nobody cares what happens to them. 20 blacks killed in Chicago, shoulder shrug. Cop killed in car, shoulder shrug. They have reached the same level on our "give-o-shit" meter. Arguing for caring what happens is worthless, until they fix themselves. Its likely too far gone to fix, as neither left or right care. It's not a reputable career choice anymore.
What does it say about your profession, when we have to outfit you with cameras.
I'm not in LE and never have been. But to pretend that they are all shit is just not correct. I have all sorts of vet buddies that became cops, and they are great people. Are there problems with the system? Of course. I've said it a few times here, but the shit you are describing is taking place in cities run by dems. This isn't the situation for 97% of geographical America. Condemning them all for the way they behave in NY or Baltimore is ridiculous. There are exceptions to every rule, and there are certainly good cops in Baltimore and bad cops in small town USA, but I won't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Your issues are largely with politicians, not cops. This attitude that is so pervasive here is like a self fulfilling prophecy. You demonize the cops and pursue them with criminal charges at every corner, and the good ones will and have quit. They will do something else to avoid the bullshit. When you do that, the vaccum is filled with unqualified shit heads. You've let the libs win. They created this situation and folks like you have jumped in with both feet. They told you not to trust the police and then filled your eyes with the 10 incidents a year that highlight the bad apples, and then made them enforce bad policies in these Democrat run cities and made sure everyone saw it. They have fulfilled the wishes of the far left with LE, and you guys didn't even realize that you were being lead like a horse to water.
Met a shitload of cops in my day, even used to live next door to one (LA county sheriff).
It's very easy to say I have met a LOT more bad ones than good ones.
It's very easy to say I have met a LOT more bad ones than good ones.
Nah, it's not TV, it is not snippets. It's things I see with my own eyes in my own small town. It's in the neighboring large city, it's on the interstates, the news, the internet, the left swinging media, and the right swinging media. I see it in my in-laws who are LE, it's everywhere. Young cops, old cops, it's much larger than your 3% number.
The system is busted. Next time you encouter any LE, play the stare down game, report back.
Im both feet in as you mentioned, it'll take a lot more than a few people arguing for them on the internet to change my mind. Ive seen too much.
This is the real truth of this situation.
Easy
Make them endure the same consequences that the people that fund them endure professionally / civilly / criminally when they break the law
Vegas Simon says murder as one example
and pay you.
Los Angeles officials to offer $250,000 reward for information on death of sheriff’s deputy shot in his patrol car
Come on all you " we can police our self's types" go get your pay day
And probably Issa gud boi
Avenge the cop. Let us know how many tax dollars they transfer to your account.
One bad apple, more like systemic tyranny.
I am reminded of a discussion I once had with a co-worker who was socialist democrat. I asked if he won the powerball, would he share with others. He literally laughed at me.
exactly… you expect some else to do it. Nows your chance, solve the murder.
You don’t actually want what ya champion for.
Pathetic
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You don't want Juan Wick loose on the streets. Dirty Harry on steroids.
I don't follow where you are going with this? Are you trying to say tipster don't get Paid?
hope he has a quick recovery and the person who shot him is found in pieces here and there .
You really have no clue what I wrote.
he is dead.
A Los Angeles County sheriff's deputy was fatally shot Saturday night while in his patrol vehicle in what authorities described as an ambush in Palmdale. The shooter remained on the loose Sunday.
Deputy Ryan Clinkunbroomer, a 30-year-old field training officer, was shot Saturday just outside the Palmdale Sheriff's Station at the corner of Sierra Highway and Avenue Q.
30-year-old LA County sheriff's deputy shot, killed in Palmdale ambush
Deputy Ryan Clinkunbroomer, a 30-year-old field training officer, was shot just outside the Palmdale Sheriff's Station. He died at the hospital.
abc7.com Examples of people right here in the Bear pit judging INDIVIDUALS by their CLASS membership.
Communists do this.
Racists do this.
Does anyone 'deserve' summary execution while sitting in their car. If his CLASS comes into the factor, I think you need a refresher on the American Ideal.
I hate the FBI and ATF. Are their good agents in there? Yes. Even if its 5 or less out of thousands. Judge the Individual.
Everyone screams "Where are the good cops". You know what? Where were you (technically YOU are their boss!)? Not everyone can be everywhere at once. There are a lot of good guys not enforcing the bullshit, spending days helping their community. Even if its 1% of the entire pop. And it reminds me of the CRT theory crap: Its not enough to be not racist, you have to be actively ANTI-RACIST. Its not enough to be a GOOD cop, you have to be ANTI-BAD cop. That's an impossible standard.
But I'll double down. If you think a cop deserves to be shot in the head with no proof that they are anything other than "They are a cop, they are probably guilty" you are just as bad as what you claim to oppose. Remember: thats how our government tars us: You have a gun, you are probably guilty. I've seen your type over and over again. Just petty tyrants from the right, rather than the left using class warfare.
And a special shout out to Wade who would claim if police gained the ability the walk on water:
"Badged evil statists can't even swim while enforcing their tyranny on the people"
Even Thomas Paine Wrote: "Even at the best of times government is a necessary evil" Look up that second to last word. Some of us have seen what "no government" looks like. Its pretty fucking bad. Don't worry, just like the commies and socialists: "We just haven't implemented it properly" I'm sure.
You were pointing a reward was posted for information leading to arrest and prosecution of the bags of shit that killed the deputy. You were, I thought, hinting at the hypocrisy of those who might talk against the cops but would not mind a good pay day.
Which reminded me of the heresy of my co-worker. Two different subjects, same behavior. Someone could talk all day long about how the "taxpayer" has to pay for this and then turn around and pick up the bounty.
Just like a socialist could say that we should share the wealth and when he gets some, he becomes something of capitalist.
I was not clear enough. And, as usual, the ACAB horseshit just creates more animosity.
gotcha
Word. Some Statistic I have seen would back that up. The Social Democrat are generally younger people just getting a taste of life. Some where around mid 40'/50' a lot of people after living and making their way through the world, especilly when successful turn more conservative.
A agree with that.
And that was the weird thing. This co-worker was older than me and I am an old fart. So, sometimes, age does not bring wisdom. And, also, he did come from California. Which says a lot. I hate having to say that. I was born in California but we moved to Texas, where my mother was from, in 1974. I was 10. So, my accent is weird.
Most people that were born and raised here will ask "Where are you from?" Or, "You're not from here, are you?"
While my cadence is slow at times, there are other times I can talk fast. The other thing I am missing is the truckload of nasality of a native texan speaker. That's where the west coast comes, as well.
True.
I had never condemned an entire group based on the actions of a significant portion of the group. I stated that this could have been prevented and the entire woke infestation of this country could have been shut down once and for all by a unified show of resolve in 2020. There is a reason why Jason Aldean composed his song "Try That In A Small Town". We KNOW that good cops exist, and we've seen how they, and the sheriffs who they are employed by issue stern warnings to rioters that threatened to spill their shit into flyover country in the summer of 2020. However, the cities are a wholly different manner. Are there good cops in the cities who are vastly outnumbered by leftist stormtrooper wannabes eager to start waging war in the name of BLM? PLENTY. Many are here on this very forum, and who said they LEFT these departments because they are no longer putting up with the subversion of the Constitution.
That said, it is 99.99% certain that the person(s) who pulled the trigger that took the life of Deputy Ryan Clinkunbroomer is an utter psychopath who would have no qualms about killing a baby in a crib either and they need to be neutralized, with extreme prejudice before they get to kill again. There is a specific reason why the level of crime and utter barbarity we are seeing now has got to the levels they are now in the cities. Because a portion, and a rather large portion of those who holds the guns in the name of law did not choose to show the woke DAs and politicians there what 'might is right' means. If they did, men like US Marine Daniel Penny and US Army Sgt. Daniel Perry would not only be not charged with using appropriate force to neutralize active threats in their AOs, they would be given medals of recognition for removing dangerous scum from the streets.
Free Daniel Penny.
Free Daniel Perry.
Clear their names and give them the recognition they deserve, and earned, as heroes, not "vigilantes" and worse.
Not trying to be a wet blanket here or a sycophant to Frank, but remember guys, it wasn't that long ago where all forms of negative talk about cops was banned and would result in members also getting banned for it. I haven't read all the posts in this thread, but some of the posts are really walking a fine line here. I personally don't care whether members here like cops or not, but what I do care about is all of us losing our posting freedoms here all because a handful of assholes wanna ruin it for everyone else. For a gun forum, this is the most freedom of speech gun forum we got and I wanna keep it that way and I'm sure others will concur.
Oh look you've discovered one of the paradoxes of set theory, aren't you cute! 1000BC called and wants its discovery back!
And Patton was fired for not de-nazifying, because some low level nazis were good at running the infrastructure of a country that had just been smashed into the stone age. He compared them to Democrats and republicans. *Gasp* the nerve....
So were their good "SS" Yep. Thats why we put them on trial. For what they did, not what group they belonged to.
Or perhaps the 5th and 6th amendments are just a bunch of bullshit to you and your ilk.
Well said Maze. I've thought that many times.
There are a couple here who seem to gloat over posting negatives about LE but disappear when the good stories come out
www.msn.com › en-us › news
Michigan cop saves baby who stopped breathing after pulling ...
BTW, they got the POS who shot the officer.
Pretty much. Hes got no care in the world and all the propaganda tells him it’s systemic. There have been alot of these type of shootings on cops since Floyd and covid. Targeting the bike guy. Same mentality
Ohio cops tased and arrested a atf guy not long ago. I have a serious problem with le but im also good friends with too many to believe theyre all bad. Been at a event in a commie state in a 2a sanctuary county with the sheriff while everyone at the event was committing some sort of felony. Good cops exist but damn are they in short supply.
The fact that it happened does not speak to its legitimacy. You like picking out straw-man arguments to support your own twisted claims. Our soldiers shot unarmed prisoners. Doesn't make it right, just because Germany, Japean or some other third option did it first.
The SS was the Nazi Personal Army (different from the regular army). So while you can cherry pick examples of summary executions, there were some 'soldiers' of those divisions who simply surrendered and went home. Yup concentration guards got shot/starved/tortured. Was it right? Nope. In a perfect world we would have properly tried them. And some circumstance of course would be given, espeically to prisoner, but also soldiers. However, you or anyone else in this country have not just the spent 9 months in constant combat. And during the war crimes trial, not everyone was given the death penalty.
We don't live in a perfect world. I figured that out long ago.
Fact is you post (cherry picked) inflammatory examples, now are in the realm of equating SS with current US police to justify your blind hatred. (Otherwise why bring it up--trying to say well we executed SS people, so its ok to execute cops because they are just as bad. You have no clue what SS division were like)
Simple logic fails. SS members were Nazis. Not all Nazis were SS. Concentration camp guards were SS, but not all SS were Concentration camp guards. You know for a fact every single one was guilty of a crime? Even if 99.99% were guilty out of 1 million, that leaves 100.
And it still leaves you using the SS as an example of how to act towards police...
Goodwin has been satisfied and you are defending ad hoc executions without trial of US citizens based on their job description. I believe my work here is done.
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I do hate it that the guy was killed. I do feel for his family.
I don’t like LEOs or any other government leech. You love your oppressors. You need them. We get it.
Again, moral men police themselves. Moral men would police their own communities. Government prevents that.
I don’t like LEOs or any other government leech. You love your oppressors. You need them. We get it.
Again, moral men police themselves. Moral men would police their own communities. Government prevents that.
Show me an example of a self policing society of moral men..
Your closet full of guns isn't why America has never been invaded. I wish that bullshit lie was true, but it's not. I know of plenty of places on this planet without police forces, and not fucking one of them is ruled by moral men. Not even one.
Imagine being so committed to the freedoms and rights enshrined in the constitution....
Everyone. EVERYONE. Note: Not just "good" people. Evil People. bad People. Even you.
Gets a fair trial.
Its like we wrote it down or something.
You really believe that?
They are only safe because they exist inside of a world of protection. Imagine their existence if the cartels got a hankering for sourdough bread and girls in homemade dresses. They could kill every one of them in the time it takes to churn a keg of butter and hook up the horse team. They are only able to exist because rough men keep the wolves away for them.
Cops aren’t why America hasn’t been invaded either. They’re protecting the very scum that is destroying the nation. Why do politicians do the things they do? They’re protected.
I’m in my 40’s. Never been to jail. Haven’t committed any felonies. Seems I’ve policed myself pretty good.
So where is that example?
Gotta be one right? You're wholly convinced the idea is sound, so there must be an example somewhere?
Go ahead, I'll wait.
Or is it like democratic socialism, it will definitely work, but everyone else was doing it wrong, but you.... You've got it figured out?
I've worked with them side by side, probably know more about them than you do. I spent a summer topping trees, snaking logs with horses, and catching ties off the end of a sawmill with them in the Tennessee heat. I still buy my trusses from them a few times a month.
They wouldn't squash a grape in a fruit fight. They are pacifists, which is a mindset that only works if other people are ready to fight to keep you safe when the monsters come knocking.
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