I would recommend LED lighting. Many are adjustable regarding the color and you might find a sunlight type natural color to be to your liking. At any rate, adjustable gives you options, and uses very little electricity. Home Depot has lots of options at reasonable prices. Amazon would be more cost effective. Just know what you are looking for.Currently building another reloading room in the unfinished part of the basement. The wife got an at home job and I gave her my current room in the finished part of the house. What your some successes and fails with lighting? I have exposed joists and running a new 20amp circuit just for this room. Ought to be able to accomodate about any lighting I need.
LED seems to be the best and least issues with a scale. I wouldn't put any light too close to the scale though. I've not had any issues I know of using led lights. With open joists, you could do can lights or do led garage type lights, like the 2'x4' florescent lights we used to use but they are LED.Currently building another reloading room in the unfinished part of the basement. The wife got an at home job and I gave her my current room in the finished part of the house. What your some successes and fails with lighting? I have exposed joists and running a new 20amp circuit just for this room. Ought to be able to accomodate about any lighting I need.
Everything you said was spot on. Particularly the final paragraph. Saved the best for last. This is critical to knowing drift or charge to charge accuracy and repeatability. An LED light won’t do anything to a scale unless it is resting on it lol. My wife loves ceiling fans, particularly on high speed. I have to charge my cases when she isn’t around to make sure she isn’t blowing air on my scales and I turn off the a/c because otherwise, there will be problems lolKeep an eye on your " empty" scales negative reading when you lift the pan off. It should remain constant.
Man, can you adopt me? I am only 70, andnI don’t eat much….I'm lucky that my reloading room is separated from the rest of the house. We also don't have central air. It's all radiant water. I close that door to the room and it's draft free. Warms and cools through the rest of the house passively. Warm in the winter and nice and cool in the summer.
The emf for LED lights is virtually non-existent at 24” at most. Many become background noise level at 12”.Everything you said was spot on. Particularly the final paragraph. Saved the best for last. This is critical to knowing drift or charge to charge accuracy and repeatability. An LED light won’t do anything to a scale unless it is resting on it lol. My wife loves ceiling fans, particularly on high speed. I have to charge my cases when she isn’t around to make sure she isn’t blowing air on my scales and I turn off the a/c because otherwise, there will be problems lol
Never quite reasoned it out the way you did, I was a bit more simplistic but it was all the same outcome.
Perfect!
LED seems to be the best and least issues with a scale. I wouldn't put any light too close to the scale though. I've not had any issues I know of using led lights. With open joists, you could do can lights or do led garage type lights, like the 2'x4' florescent lights we used to use but they are LED.
Will you ever put a ceiling in it? If so, might want to consider that but otherwise any led light set up should work well.
If you will be putting a sheet rock ceiling then you could go ahead snd put the can lights in and then just sheet rock whenever you decide to do it. Of it's a drop ceiling then the can housing hangs on the ceiling tile so you'd need the grid in first.
There will be a ceiling either tonight or tomorrow, depending on the lights i decide on. Definately will be going LED trying to decide between strips or cans now.In a basement I would worry more about air "dumping" out of the HVAC system vents when it cycles off. Or rolling down the stairs same thing.
The last place my bench was had Central ac. All it took was a small air diverter on the vent and the trickle ran fine when the ac was running.
Closing the vent was a bad option in the Texas summers.
Each time the ac would cycle off there would be a flood of cold air dropping down onto the bench instead of it blowing gently around the room.
Lights and electronics did little to change the scales we tested trying to troubleshoot this. Strong vibration would scramble it momentarily even ceiling fans on low or medium had little effect.
But dear sweet little white baby Jesus two degree drop or heaven forbid three degrees and your dead in the water.
Not just once but twice as it warms back up and stabilizes.
Keep an eye on your " empty" scales negative reading when you lift the pan off. It should remain constant.
I think the air movement is way bigger issue than temp fluctuations but ideally you'd like to eliminate both of course.There will be a ceiling either tonight or tomorrow, depending on the lights i decide on. Definately will be going LED trying to decide between strips or cans now.
Thanks for the observation, the HVAC vent will be away from the scale so draft wont be an issue, have been dealing with temp swings in the current room too as its just 15' away. My best solution so far is to turn the recirculation fan on when im loading, it helps keep the temp more consistant.
SweetGot the room mostly done today. Just a little clean up and mirroring the shelves on the other side of the upper cabinet. Might do something a bit different there for a building cleaning station.View attachment 8336245View attachment 8336258
Where did you get that gray, vented cabinet under the bench?Got the room mostly done today. Just a little clean up and mirroring the shelves on the other side of the upper cabinet. Might do something a bit different there for a building cleaning station.View attachment 8336245View attachment 8336258
It was a used laptop charging station from the local school. They were upgrading and I picked it up cheap.Where did you get that gray, vented cabinet under the bench?
What is the red and black anodized tool on the right side of the bench?These quick ultra mounts from inline fab are awesome and he has most stuff already designed the plates. I can easily move any of my tools anywhere depending on what I’m doing
Waiting on one more for my zero currently.
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I would guess a primer seater. I forget the make. (Edit: Primalrights as noted above) Ridiculously priced as I recall lol ($675)What is the red and black anodized tool on the right side of the bench?
I would guess a primer seater. I forget the make. (Edit: Primalrights as noted above) Ridiculously priced as I recall lol ($675)
And then often we get so invested in what we do we can’t see the forest for the trees.It is a primer. It is expensive. It is worth it in my book compared to handheld options out there.
Yea i kept hearing about them from buddies and on the Everyday sniper podcast. Haven't seen one yet though so i didn't know what it looked like. Definitely picking one up. Thanks everyone.It is a primer. It is expensive. It is worth it in my book compared to handheld options out there.
And then often we get so invested in what we do we can’t see the forest for the trees.
Do you shoot 3 round groups, 5 round or 30 round or what? Just curious.
I’m gonna jump in on this one. I shoot three shot groups. LOTS of three shot groups. Minimum of 5 three shot groups but at least 7 three shot groups per individual test in a test session. Seen far too many large groups ruined by a flyer that could or could not be a shooter error. However large number is smaller groups shows a pattern. As said, I would rather have 7 groups with one bad and the rest very good, than one 20 shot group with a flyer or two of an inch or more out, making the test results seem false.And then often we get so invested in what we do we can’t see the forest for the trees.
Do you shoot 3 round groups, 5 round or 30 round or what? Just curious.
I like mine and recommend one but I understand why others would not buy one or don’t think it is a necessary addition for their reloading system.
Yes, I ordered one of these ugly annealer primer tools yesterday too. It’s more in my price range.I like mine, but the use case I would recommend one is pretty limited. The price has gone up since I got mine, and I picked it up on SH deal. It’s a really tough sell at the price point. Especially with the ugly reloader option out now.
Yes, I ordered one of these ugly annealer primer tools yesterday too. It’s more in my price range.
I still don’t get it why there’s constantly someone complaining or bitching in almost every other thread where people show their nice equipment…
Can’t they just be happy for them and keep their ridiculous negativity for themselves?
Thanks for the advice. I’ll plan on using this for lrp and keep priming my 6BR srp with my Lee app or whatever that thing is called. It’s working good for small primers right now.Get one of the DA handheld primer flipper fillers. Saves a ton of time filling Dillon or similar primer tubes, and the handheld one does large and small.
Nothing worse than poking each one with the spreader tip.
Or …. small numbers yield statistically insignificant data. If you shot 100 rounds, for example, you would have a round group of dispersed shots and you could select any 3, any 3 whatsoever and that could be one of your groups. By “deselecting” groups you do not like you are skewing your data. Chances are most of your groups are not circular but in some pattern other than circular (the “any 3”) and drawing conclusions based on small numbers for SD is statistically wrong. If you shoot 7 groups of 3 and do not exclude any, 21 cumulatively is a better sampling but is still potentially inaccurate. If you look at it as 7 distinct groups and analyze that way, then your conclusions are likely not even close to reality.I’m gonna jump in on this one. I shoot three shot groups. LOTS of three shot groups. Minimum of 5 three shot groups but at least 7 three shot groups per individual test in a test session. Seen far too many large groups ruined by a flyer that could or could not be a shooter error. However large number is smaller groups shows a pattern. As said, I would rather have 7 groups with one bad and the rest very good, than one 20 shot group with a flyer or two of an inch or more out, making the test results seem false.
However, I have seen tests where on group went into one hole but the others were as wide as an inch or more. It works both ways. It’s not the number of shots, it’s the number of Groups. Need to look for a pattern, not a hole.
So to make this clear, a ladder tests of five loads takes a minimum of 75 shots but a better average can be found with 105 shots. Find a decent load and then throw the paper away and start banging steel. Its a lot more fun.
I just got the DAA primer pro collator. Man that thing makes it so easy. I was trying to trade it to a guy plus cash for his dillon primer filler before I even opened it but I have now started used it and it fills up the tubes so dang easy. Once you get down to like 10 or 15 primers it doesn't work as well but as long as you have anywhere from 20- 400 primers in it at a time, it will fill the tubes easily and quickly without touch it. Really cool and will be great for this primer as wellGet one of the DA handheld primer flipper fillers. Saves a ton of time filling Dillon or similar primer tubes, and the handheld one does large and small.
Nothing worse than poking each one with the spreader tip.
Interesting thoughts, while I may throw out a group I know was bad, because of my error, I use all the data, averaging so that I can see what is happening through the test. Cherry picking is the best way I know to really screw the works up. My point was one group, no matter how many shots are in it, cannot tell a pattern.Or …. small numbers yield statistically insignificant data. If you shot 100 rounds, for example, you would have a round group of dispersed shots and you could select any 3, any 3 whatsoever and that could be one of your groups. By “deselecting” groups you do not like you are skewing your data. Chances are most of your groups are not circular but in some pattern other than circular (the “any 3”) and drawing conclusions based on small numbers for SD is statistically wrong. If you shoot 7 groups of 3 and do not exclude any, 21 cumulatively is a better sampling but is still potentially inaccurate. If you look at it as 7 distinct groups and analyze that way, then your conclusions are likely not even close to reality.
I see people all the time making decisions based on goofy data analysis because they do not have any experience or training in statistical analysis. There is more involved than a formula.
Anyways, I was curious. Thanks for answering. Often people are confused because they sometimes do not duplicate previous results and come up with all kinds of rationalizations as to why that is. It is very common to follow a process, or acquire a new piece of gear then rationalize how much it helps without realistic supporting data. Too small sample sizes explains much. There are no powder “nodes” or any such voodoo that makes no sense.
There is an old saying: we see and accept that which supports our preconceived notions. You can witness that in politics extremely often. B people believe what they want to believe.
I just got the DAA primer pro collator. Man that thing makes it so easy. I was trying to trade it to a guy plus cash for his dillon primer filler before I even opened it but I have now started used it and it fills up the tubes so dang easy. Once you get down to like 10 or 15 primers it doesn't work as well but as long as you have anywhere from 20- 400 primers in it at a time, it will fill the tubes easily and quickly without touch it. Really cool and will be great for this primer as well
Yeah that's true, it only does SRP. That's why I was going to get the dillon but I shoot mostly SRP and for anything I load a bunch of rounds for its all SRP. You'd think that DAA could easily make one for LRP though. Kind of weird they don't have thay ability, especially with how the hopper/bowl thing slides off of the unit. You could just swap em out...I wanted one of those until I figured out it won’t do large primers (or didn’t, when I was looking).
The primafill will do both sizes, and loads a tube in 15s or so, you just have to find the right angle (it’s with the tube way more horizontal than I would have guessed- maybe 15 degrees down).
Never. I imagine it would be absolutely brutal to be trapped in the mind of one of these hater fucks for even an hour.
Exquisite gear set up! A419 got some dandy stuff!
I agree. Results matter. When you shoot you are part of the shooting system, like it or not.Interesting thoughts, while I may throw out a group I know was bad, because of my error, I use all the data, averaging so that I can see what is happening through the test. Cherry picking is the best way I know to really screw the works up. My point was one group, no matter how many shots are in it, cannot tell a pattern.
I may be different from most folks, but posting pretty pictures of one hole groups, is not for me. I want to hear steel go clang, after I cause the bang, or see the game animal go down after a short run with a properly placed shot creating as humane a kill as possible.
Massive project. Amazing job! Love the steel table.
Lookin’ good!! I am jealous of all these fine reloading rooms. I had to give mine up recently. We downsized from our house to an apt.View attachment 8355037
Added an organizer wall awhile back . Just pegboard I painted with exterior paint, it’s holding up well.
Consider also what space would be the lowest air movement, which can have a negative effect on your scales.need some advice on reloading location. I have full access to my garage and half a bedroom that i can use. If i had to put some of my reloading equipment in the garage what would that be and about how much room do i need. I'd assume all the brass cleaning stuff stay in the garage and then when it comes to the actual prep take it inside.
I'm mostly just concerned with storing the stuff in the garage because of the fluctuation in temps in there. Its decent insulated but not great. if its cold outside its bareable and vice versa when its hot.
I wish i could make a complete dedicated reloading room. Maybe one day.