Sorry about that let me rephrase. I was told during purchasing, If you transfer the individual suppressor to a NEW gun trust you’ll have to buy another tax stamp for approval of that trust (at least that’s how I understood it). I’m not sure if an additional tax stamp is required for transfer to an existing. Definitely worth looking into though.
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No, you are right. You own the item as an individual. To transfer it to a Trust (meaning the Trust will now own it) you submit the paperwork and another $200. Because you as an individual are now transferring the item.
You do not own the items in your Trust, the Trust does.
No, it doesn't make sense. But most of this BS doesn't already.
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Even if it's an OLD trust and you, as a member of that existing trust, purchase a suppressor as an individual you can't just roll it into the trust without another stamp.
I'm sure someone somewhere has done this already and if/when the ATF finds them they'll descend on the "criminals" like a pack of giggling children pulling the wings off flys.
It is confirmed by my suppressor trust expert that transfers from an individual to a trust does cost another 200 tax stamp because you have to file another form 4 for transfer of ownership. The upside is you get to MAYBE get to use your suppressor sooner, but at the cost of double the paperwork and double the money.
I just got my email... 5 days for approved status. WOW!
Form 4 individual
Form 4 individual
Well, that sucks, but time is money, and if you can get approved in a damn week or 2 on an individual, then pick it up from the dealer, then flip it over to a Trust at the expense of another $200, you already have the can, and are still using it in the meantime… Just costs you double to get it sooner.
Personally, I think the ATF needs to stop harassing Trustees, because it’s the same GD background check, and they check the same info, I could see it taking a few extra minutes to read over the trust info to verify it’s accuracy, but in the case of Single Shot Trusts, they’ve seen millions of them every year, the only thing that changes from SST to SST is the trustee’s info & the make/model of the NFA item(s), literally everything else is the EXACT same wording. It shouldn’t take maybe an extra couple minutes to look over the a SST with only 1 trustee on it, compared to an individual approval.
Why is the ATF deliberately ostracizing trust holders with HUNDREDS of days wait times, but individuals can get theirs back in a matter of days (I saw one that came back in like 20 minutes on IG
)? 
Why is the ATF deliberately ostracizing trust holders with HUNDREDS of days wait times, but individuals can get theirs back in a matter of days (I saw one that came back in like 20 minutes on IG
)? 
So, if one has a regular trust (not a one-shot) but wants their can in hand asap, let’s say they submit electronically as an individual. $200.
To get that can into the trust, is it an additional $200? Of course they can use the can in the meantime
To get that can into the trust, is it an additional $200? Of course they can use the can in the meantime
Basically it seams like you're paying $200 to expedite processing if you buy as an individual and then transfer to a trust upon approval. Gay indeed, but seams like it would be worth it. 
Exactly what I will be doing in the near futureSo, if one has a regular trust (not a one-shot) but wants their can in hand asap, let’s say they submit electronically as an individual. $200.
To get that can into the trust, is it an additional $200? Of course they can use the can in the meantime
I’m assuming you would have to use a dealer to transfer from individual to a trust. I doubt many dealers are going to do that for free. $50-$100 seems like the going rate. So $250-$300 to get it quicker. If you get it quicker.
You don’t have to use a dealer. You are already the owner of the NFA item. Form 4 to Form 4 transfer doesn’t require a dealer, just a complete resubmission of a new Form 4 for the Trust to the ATF and another $200 check. Form 3 to Form 4 requires a dealer.
If you're a hunter, getting a can 9 months sooner could mean another season or 2. I was hoping to have mine by October, this year but wasn't banking on it. Now I've got it for spring bear and fall season. I'd have paid $200 for that without a thought.
Ya that’s exactly what I’m saying, get one under an individual and just leave it that way if you want it faster. Who cares if one of your several in most of our cases isn’t in a trust. Maybe it matters but I don’t really see how.
It just matters when you die (I think).
Or if your brother wants to borrow your suppressor. If he’s on the trust as a trustee (or whatever the correct lingo is) he can.
I believe, but cannot confirm 100%, if your brother borrows your “individual“ can and gets caught, JFC the shit is gonna hit the fan.
Sure I completely understand the reasoning why we have that stuff in a trust myself included. If you were just hell bent on a can right now where individuals are supposedly getting approved in a week then do just that one. Trustees can use the other ones you have in the trust or go get there own right now. And if you die well that one $800 give or take can can get scrapped. At that point oh well. Just my thoughts not that they matter. For me I’m pulling the trigger on two more da cans this week just can’t decide on the second one. However God blessed me with patience so like all the others before I’ll get them when I get them.
Easy, I own 10 cans and have my dad and brother on all them, at some point all of them have traded hands at to be used by someone other than the “intended owner”. Since we are using many of the same cans snagging the wrong one off the table when you are packing can be the difference between no problem or a 10 year prison term.
Additionally it’s not like it’s an insignificant amount of time difference, in some cases individuals are getting approved in a day or two while trusts are taking over a year. Since my next suppressors will be for hunting that is the difference between hunting with them this season or having to wait until the following year.
If it was only a 4 or 5 month wait it wouldn’t be an issue but that 8 months to 1 year vs a few days or weeks is the sticking point.
That wasn’t easy as in “hold up, your a bit fired up” that was easy as “I can easily explain”.
If I was going for the former meaning I would have went for the ol’ “Easy there Mister, we’re all friends here”
This is exactly what I did for my Hybrid 46.. which got approved in 3 days.
All my other cans are in a trust.
Are you married? Does your wife or kids have access to the safe? Constructive possession of an nfa controlled item.
Yeah, thought that through. I have a trust with relatives on it. Nobody has access but me.
And I have a Cato that lives in the safe.
Gotcha
I was under the impression a relative could acquire it with a Form 5 after I kick off
If so does a SOT have to hold on to it until approved?
And if so who would take it there?
I need to get this shit straight as I have two on individual and want them to go to my boys
So on INDIVIDUAL efile form 4s -
Do we still have anybody waiting a long time?
Are they approving older efile for individuals?
Do we still have anybody waiting a long time?
Are they approving older efile for individuals?
I have Form 5s premade for all my suppressors. I used the fillable PDF, emailed them to my beneficiary and told him not to lose them and back them up because it will be a royal PITA to fill them in from scratch after I am gone.
My beneficiary is also the executor.
I asked the ATF about the transfer on my death. I was told that they just have to remain in a secure place. The beneficiary provides the Form 5s, two fingerprint cards and two passport photos per suppressor.
As far as the secure place goes, it is my house. I told the beneficiary not to take them out until he gets the approved Form 5s back.
The ATF representative said, "You would be surprised how easy it is."
I told my friend that he has no room to bitch about the paperwork because he's getting free suppressors with guns attached and doesn't have to pay for a tax stamp.
Come to think of it, he ought to give me a little money to use while I am alive, to help pay for my funeral.
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Perfect, that's how I understood it and I printed off two form 5's but will look into the fillable PDFs.
Glad to know they can just stay in one of the safes
Don't plan on going too soon but would like to have paperwork in place at least, so it's one less worry
Thank you sir!
If you were to gift a suppressor to another person before death would the proper way of going about this be with a form 5?
Has SilencerShop been taking an extra long time to process review/eforms for anyone else lately? Well over a week for my latest after it had arrived at my shop. That combined with 2+ hour waits on hold just to confirm I had everything submitted properly.
When the ATF is processing complete approvals on eforms quicker than SS can even get 2 pages of paperwork to docusign, that’s an issue. My last form 1 I had the paperwork myself done in an afternoon…may just go that route in the future.
When the ATF is processing complete approvals on eforms quicker than SS can even get 2 pages of paperwork to docusign, that’s an issue. My last form 1 I had the paperwork myself done in an afternoon…may just go that route in the future.
I'm on a traditional trust. My last form 1 was ready to sign the next day and ready to certify the day after that. I had to wait 2 days to certify because that was when the eform site was down at the end of Feb.
I'd guess the delay is from being on a SS trust and new paperwork generated every time.
I have a trust, this one is on an individual…needed a quick turn at the ATF due to a move in 3 months…outside of trust approval times…so I’d have to roll the dice and cancel if not approved before the move then reapply again. So went individual and I’ll debate assigning it to my trust after I have possession
Won’t be using SS again though, I can do a better job, faster, on my own paperwork and they don’t offer a mil or fed discount. Their poor customer service lost them my business in the future.
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Bumping this question back up. These fast indictable turn around has me wondering about buying another can if the wait is low
I’m at 8 1/2 months on four form 4s individual eforms…
Same. Not sure what’s grid locking these older eform individual submissions but it’s like blue balls seeing all these fast proceeds.
Submitted Monday, approved Wednesday
I might actually start to like the ATF if this keeps up.
I might actually start to like the ATF if this keeps up.
Anybody try to F1 a machine gun yet just to see if they're looking at them at all?
That might put a dent in the SCOTUS bump stock case if it happened.
You two irritating fags submit as individual or trust?
Lol can you tell I’m jealous?
All bought through Capitol Armory
Trust: Enticer LTI Diligent Defense, Q Erector 22
Certified 12/11/23 --> Approved 3/13/24 @ 8:12AM (Pacific standard) --> 3 months 2 days (this is probably on the faster side)
Individual: Silencerco Scythe
Certified 3/7/24--> Approved 3/13/24 @ 11:11AM --> 6 calendar days.... not unusual nowadays.
Silencer shop times for individual filing is now a median of 4 days... I believe it. Do NOT believe the ATF and the ASA website times, they aren't correct or accurate to what is going on currently. Those dates of approval maybe correct when averaged over a full years of data, that I believe. But I believe the silencer shop times are more accurate and that's based on a rolling time of 7 days. Capitol Armory's Approval times aren't even correctly posted obviously. I'm not the only person getting these fast quickly. It's not a rumor, it's not some government scheme, it's just happening and it's never been like this before. Now is the time to buy.
Trust: Enticer LTI Diligent Defense, Q Erector 22
Certified 12/11/23 --> Approved 3/13/24 @ 8:12AM (Pacific standard) --> 3 months 2 days (this is probably on the faster side)
Individual: Silencerco Scythe
Certified 3/7/24--> Approved 3/13/24 @ 11:11AM --> 6 calendar days.... not unusual nowadays.
Silencer shop times for individual filing is now a median of 4 days... I believe it. Do NOT believe the ATF and the ASA website times, they aren't correct or accurate to what is going on currently. Those dates of approval maybe correct when averaged over a full years of data, that I believe. But I believe the silencer shop times are more accurate and that's based on a rolling time of 7 days. Capitol Armory's Approval times aren't even correctly posted obviously. I'm not the only person getting these fast quickly. It's not a rumor, it's not some government scheme, it's just happening and it's never been like this before. Now is the time to buy.
You’re convincing me to buy another can when I don’t need one lol
I felt the same way when I was waiting for my trust to approve, then said, "what the heck, let's just give the individual approval a try"
If you have something on your wish list, I say grab it up! With elections coming up, could be shortages a head of firearms related itemsI felt the same way when I was waiting for my trust to approve, then said, "what the heck, let's just give the individual approval a try"
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Has anyone had a can in jail for several months but buy a new one with in the last month or so and approved in a few days or weeks while the first one is still in jail?
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