Someone murdered Charlie Kirk

[TimC in KY]

I don’t buy into the BS about a bullet cannot move a body. Hollywood BS about someone being shot by a shotgun or whatever and then blasting through a wall is that BS.

Now I have shot too many ground hogs and squirrels to know yep, a bullet can move a body.

Depends on the bullet and energy and the size of the body.

Don’t buy into this Myth Busters BS until you can explain how shooting a squirrel or a prairie dog can send them flying through the air.

Having said that, I have killed 50+ deer and none of them went flying into the air. Too say that a bullet cannot move a body is not a absolute.

I’ve shot a bunch of whitetail deer, mule deer and antelope and quite honestly I could not tell if they moved.

Also, with the above mentioned game, I have had multiple times that there was no exit wound. That’s from 90 grain Sierra game kings at less than 200 yards with a mv of 3600 fsp. Similar results with Berger bullets. 130 yards with 6.5 129 Noslers at 3400 fps. Unless someone on here has experience shooting a person in the neck at 130-200 yards, this is all speculation.

 

[Lawless]

however, that does not nullify His covenant with Israel.

This is something you have to come to by being open to the Word and stopping the belief system you probably grew up under. Reading and searching it yourself. I realize throwing stuff at you isn’t going to win the day and that’s ok. You’re obviously someone who loves the Lord and that is the main thing.

Search it out. Study it.

Seriously, no hate or condemnation here. I grew up in dispensational church and it was quite an awakening when I first heard that God made the Chosen the “new Israel”.

 

[HogsLife]

This is something you have to come to by being open to the Word and stopping the belief system you probably grew up under. Reading and searching it yourself. I realize throwing stuff at you isn’t going to win the day and that’s ok. You’re obviously someone who loves the Lord and that is the main thing.

Search it out. Study it.

Seriously, no hate or condemnation here. I grew up in dispensational church and it was quite an awakening when I first heard that God made the Chosen the “new Israel”.

This isn’t a hateful discussion. Never saw it that way. Theology discussions be that way some times. You believe in Replacement Theology aka Supersessionism, and I don’t. John MacArthur and RC Sproul have some great info on that you should check out.

 

[Lange Carabine]

Yes. Yes He does. The Church.

The Church, i.e. Christians, are His children.
Israel/the Jews are God's chosen people.
Whether a person chooses to believe this or not doesn't diminish the fact.

 

[Lawless]

This isn’t a hateful discussion. Never saw it that way. Theology discussions be that way some times. You believe in Replacement Theology aka Supersessionism, and I don’t. John MacArthur and RC Sproul have some great info on that you should check out.

MacArthur was a self described “dirty dispensationalist”, RC Sproul is definitely not a dispensationalist.

From Ligonier (RC Sproul) if you’re inclined.

Out with the Old and in with the New by Richard Pratt Jr.

Followers of Christ repeat Jesus’ words “this cup is the new covenant” every time they observe the Lord’s Supper. All over the world, local churches include the

learn.ligonier.org

 

[Lawless]

The Church, i.e. Christians, are His children.
Israel/the Jews are God's chosen people.
Whether a person chooses to believe this or not doesn't diminish the fact.

So 2 separate paths of redemption….

 

[HogsLife]

MacArthur was a self described “dirty dispensationalist”.

Romans 11

https://biblehub.com/bsb/romans/11.htm

Not according to his Q&A regarding it. Specifically speaking to your above statement and his stance @ 2:50. Listen to the whole thing though. Good info.

I’ll Check out the RC Sproul link you sent.





Short clip on RC Sprouls take on it

 

[Holliday]

I don’t buy into the BS about a bullet cannot move a body. Hollywood BS about someone being shot by a shotgun or whatever and then blasting through a wall is that BS.

Now I have shot too many ground hogs and squirrels to know yep, a bullet can move a body.

I must admit that I shot groundhog in front of his hole from about 30-40 yards with my 7 mm Mauser w/ 170 grain bullet. The body landed on the other side of the hole. The impact blew it back 4 to 5’…..

 

[Lange Carabine]

So 2 separate paths of redemption….

No, just one. Grace through Faith.
People all too often confuse the OT and NT meaning of "chosen" people.

 

[Holliday]

The more time goes by, the more I despise that little saw off prick.

 

[HogsLife]

Not everything thats put forth as a fact, is in fact, a fact.

Romans 11

 

[6.5SH]

I must admit that I shot groundhog in front of his hole from about 30-40 yards with my 7 mm Mauser w/ 170 grain bullet. The body landed on the other side of the hole. The impact blew it back 4 to 5’…..

Let's put that in perspective though. It would be like hitting a human with a small artillery piece, size and scale do come into play. It is not an apples to apples comparison.

 

[dang472]

So I’m supposed to believe Bibi made the call because Charlie was turning on Israel. With all of the resources Mossad/CIA/Deep State etc, they opted for an open air gunshot with an elaborate tranny love story involving local police and the Feds. They’re awesome at this but managed to miscalculate the overwhelming support for Kirk and TPUSA. If Bibi truly wanted him to shut up, this assassination turned him into a martyr and more people than ever are listening to his words. Thousands of new chapter requests and his old videos are everywhere. Also the loudest voices claiming Israel put out the hit are still living so there’s that as well. Mossad doesn’t screw up this bad.

Thinking critically, a real hit on Kirk and TPUSA would be a character assassination. Mossad and the CIA are perfectly capable of staging a salacious drug overdose or erotic asphyxiation. Imagine the story of Kirk found dead in a seedy hotel room with another guy while millions is missing from Turning Point and surprise there’s child porn on his phone. That would be an immediate shut down of all things Kirk and Turning Point would be bankrupt. In the digital age, this is how someone gets silenced.

 

[Lawless]

Romans 11

https://biblehub.com/bsb/romans/11.htm

Not according to his Q&A regarding it. Specifically speaking to your above statement and his stance @ 2:50. Listen to the whole thing though. Good info.

I’ll Check out the RC Sproul link you sent.





Short clip on RC Sprouls take on it

Belief that in the future, (alive) ethnic Israel will accept Christ isn’t the same as believing that Israel is separated from the Church in a different covenant.

Edited to add: I was sucked in and went against my own statement that this isn’t the thread for this. I apologize and will say no more here.

 

[Makinchips208]

So I’m supposed to believe Bibi made the call because Charlie was turning on Israel. With all of the resources Mossad/CIA/Deep State etc, they opted for an open air gunshot with an elaborate tranny love story involving local police and the Feds. They’re awesome at this but managed to miscalculate the overwhelming support for Kirk and TPUSA. If Bibi truly wanted him to shut up, this assassination turned him into a martyr and more people than ever are listening to his words. Thousands of new chapter requests and his old videos are everywhere. Also the loudest voices claiming Israel put out the hit are still living so there’s that as well. Mossad doesn’t screw up this bad.

Thinking critically, a real hit on Kirk and TPUSA would be a character assassination. Mossad and the CIA are perfectly capable of staging a salacious drug overdose or erotic asphyxiation. Imagine the story of Kirk found dead in a seedy hotel room with another guy while millions is missing from Turning Point and surprise there’s child porn on his phone. That would be an immediate shut down of all things Kirk and Turning Point would be bankrupt. In the digital age, this is how someone gets silenced.

That, or they would do what they do best. Blow the place off the map.

 

[Maggot]

I understand debate for the sake of debate, but y'all get to making important, unimportant, issues. After 55 years of study of the Bible, reading numerous commentaries, taking classes on religious issues at university, I came to the non astounding conclusion, that the Gosple is really simple, and need little depating. When they asked Jesus, "What is the greatest commandment?" He answered, "To love the Lord thy God with all your heart, mind, and spirit." Then he added, "And like unto that is to love thy neighbor as you would have him lone you." Thats what counts, the rest is of minimal importance.

Consider:

We're all standing in front of the great white throne and nest up is Barumba, a poor black African who never heard the name Jesus, so the Big Guy (God) says lets review your life Barumba. "Ah, theres Mrs Kalumbi about to lose her house. You loaned her some money at 0 interest until she could get on her feet. Ah ha, theres Mr.Onboobie. He broke his leg and you took care of his flock until he healed. Ah, there Auni, he stole your tools and you didnt hurt him, you prayed for him. Barumba, you did well, come up here and meet Jesus and sit by my side fo a minute.

Then Levi Schoepenheimer comes up next. Levi is a multi billionaire, linked to 3 of the tribes of Israel, says hes converted and goes to church every week. so Levi comes upto the throne and The Big Guy say, "Lets review you life. Ah, theres Mrs Smith who was losing her home and asked for a 30 day extension til her check came in.. You refused and took her home, she went on the street. Then there was your neighbor Sam ho broke his leg and could have used some help. You sadi to youself, he's a Samaritan, I dont have to help him. And there's Bubba who stole $5 because he was starving and you had him arrested and put in jail."

Where is the chosen one going? Think about it. Spend more time on whats important.

 

[Holliday]

Let's put that in perspective though. It would be like hitting a human with a small artillery piece, size and scale do come into play. It is not an apples to apples comparison.

EXACTLY. That part was obviously implied from the “groundhog” part of my post. I assumed this group had an IQ high enough to “glean” that detail from my description. Sorry if I misread the room……

 

[Maggot]

The Church, i.e. Christians, are His children.
Israel/the Jews are God's chosen people.
Whether a person chooses to believe this or not doesn't diminish the fact.

Not everything thats put forth as a fact, is in fact, a fact.

Apologies, I put this on the wrong post.

 

[Maggot]

Romans 11

Doesnt impress me. See my post #4166 Get the core issue right and the rest will take care of itself. If you dont get that right, it the rest is of no import.

 

[6.5SH]

First real word from someone closer than most:

 

[Lawless]

Deeper and deeper goes the odd tail of the 30-06 that was stopped cold by a neck…..

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

Is there another picture of the rifle other than the one posted a day or so after the shooting?
Who took that picture and put it on the WWW?

 

[hlee]

Ok, I’ve only been catching snippets of this thread, but there’s some discussion about what bullets do to bodies, specifically throwing them around. It’s pretty simple math, and an easily understood concept.

Momentum = mass x velocity. Conservation of momentum in an elastic collision dictates that any momentum lost by the bullet upon impact with a target, is imparted to that target.

Ok, let’s assume a perfectly elastic collision, where all of the momentum of the bullet is imparted to the target. If we give the bullet a mass of 180 grains, and a velocity of 3000 feet per second, we can easily calculate its momentum. Let’s assign the target a weight of 190 lbs, make it at rest, and exclude the effects of gravity, friction, the elastic nature of an organic target, etc. I’ve defined an idealized scenario where the target will retain all of the momentum imparted by the bullet. Upon impact, the body would accelerate to 0.4 feet per second.

Add back in gravity; loss of momentum from sound, heat, bullet fragmentation, and the elastic nature of the target and; it should be easy to see that bullets don’t throw man sized targets any appreciable distance.

 

[Makinchips208]

First real word from someone closer than most:

Well that is the interesting thing about internal terminal ballistics. Seemingly odd things can happen.

 

[BCP]

Deeper and deeper goes the odd tail of the 30-06 that was stopped cold by a neck…..

You guys keep saying that no exit wound thing as fact when the only source is Candace Owens. Why not get back to blaming the Jews?

Wait so it’s a doctor now. What the fuck?????

OK I am officially baffled.

 

[Rthur]

Well that is the interesting thing about internal ballistics. Seemingly odd things can happen.

I think you mean terminal ballistics.

R

 

[theLBC]

 

[sirhrmechanic]

So I’m supposed to believe Bibi made the call because Charlie was turning on Israel. With all of the resources Mossad/CIA/Deep State etc, they opted for an open air gunshot with an elaborate tranny love story involving local police and the Feds. They’re awesome at this but managed to miscalculate the overwhelming support for Kirk and TPUSA. If Bibi truly wanted him to shut up, this assassination turned him into a martyr and more people than ever are listening to his words. Thousands of new chapter requests and his old videos are everywhere. Also the loudest voices claiming Israel put out the hit are still living so there’s that as well. Mossad doesn’t screw up this bad.

Thinking critically, a real hit on Kirk and TPUSA would be a character assassination. Mossad and the CIA are perfectly capable of staging a salacious drug overdose or erotic asphyxiation. Imagine the story of Kirk found dead in a seedy hotel room with another guy while millions is missing from Turning Point and surprise there’s child porn on his phone. That would be an immediate shut down of all things Kirk and Turning Point would be bankrupt. In the digital age, this is how someone gets silenced.

^^^. This guy gets it!

 

[mi650]

First real word from someone closer than most:

I know other guys here have more experience with .30-06 than I do. I've killed one deer with it, watched my son kill 2 others with the same rifle. Mine and 1 of his went thru the shoulder socket and passed thru. And no, I don't mean the shoulder blade.

Color me skeptical about this report. Miraculous indeed, if true.

 

[alpine44]

To the zealous Joo blamers on this forum:

You may not see the ugliness in your allegations but others are noticing it. "A flare has gone up, and now we know where everybody is"

 

[Holliday]

I like running down my opponents, but pretending they are just retarded sluts gives the freedom to continue their reigns of terror.

 

[Makinchips208]

I think you mean terminal ballistics.

R

You are correct. Good catch.

 

[Maggot]

To the zealous Joo blamers on this forum:

You may not see the ugliness in your allegations but others are noticing it. "A flare has gone up, and now we know where everybody is"

I saw that, it made me want to puke. Early on they said "Can we use his death to raise enlistment in the military." Paraphrased. Nothing against the mil, but damn, that was less than a week in...fucking parsites.

 

[mosin46]

this is the claim from the lt that i have heard. it does have merit but if they are right,ya never gonna learn or know it. will be buried with many other things.

 

[GreenGO Juan]

First real word from someone closer than most:

Curious, who is that?

 

[Lawless]

I have seen a 150g Core Lokt (not a particular robust bullet) pass completely through a 10” pine tree shot from 100y, and a neck stopped one at a little more than that? If a bullet was found under the skin as said, it was not from the weapon that is presented.

 

[Makinchips208]

Curious, who is that?

 

[mosin46]

Then I suggest you stop bitching about it on a gun forum and take it up with the courts.

a paraphrase i have heard in a religious context argument: the courts said it,i believe it and that settles it. you have the courts in a divine position in your liberal world view. i assume that the courts releasing multiple murders,rapists and robbers is OK and you approve.
i guess of "permission" to deport any such is "illegal and unconstitutional" because a judge said so.
during your worship services do you sacrifice a bullock or a sheep? maybe just crawl forward and kiss their feet?
you seem unaware that people obey these corrupt pigs not because they are liberty loving or interested in justice. it is out of political fear by the state agents and fear of incarceration or death at the hands of our very own Stasi.

 

[mosin46]

is it possible that Trump is waking up and will move to keep his campaign promises? i mean,at least on domestic. i bet on foreign he will keep doing things no differently from OBiden,more wars,more waste in Ukraine,more letting Netanyahu run the country? we can take what we get and hope. ie wish in 1 hand and shit in the other and see which fills 1st.

 

[mtrmn]

Now go to the New Testament, John 15:16, John 15:19, Ephesians 1:3-4, 2 Thessalonians 2:13, 1 Peter 2:9, and Revaluation 17:14. The Messiah told us who were now the chosen people.

"Revaluation" nice. I know-spellcheck

 

[al22300]

I have seen a 150g Core Lokt (not a particular robust bullet) pass completely through a 10” pine tree shot from 100y, and a neck stopped one at a little more than that? If a bullet was found under the skin as said, it was not from the weapon that is presented.

Every deer I’ve shot with a Core-Lokt was a pass through. However, I’ve recovered bullets just under the hide of the opposite side using rifles up to the .300 Weatherby.

 

[mosin46]

So I’m supposed to believe Bibi made the call because Charlie was turning on Israel. With all of the resources Mossad/CIA/Deep State etc, they opted for an open air gunshot with an elaborate tranny love story involving local police and the Feds. They’re awesome at this but managed to miscalculate the overwhelming support for Kirk and TPUSA. If Bibi truly wanted him to shut up, this assassination turned him into a martyr and more people than ever are listening to his words. Thousands of new chapter requests and his old videos are everywhere. Also the loudest voices claiming Israel put out the hit are still living so there’s that as well. Mossad doesn’t screw up this bad.

Thinking critically, a real hit on Kirk and TPUSA would be a character assassination. Mossad and the CIA are perfectly capable of staging a salacious drug overdose or erotic asphyxiation. Imagine the story of Kirk found dead in a seedy hotel room with another guy while millions is missing from Turning Point and surprise there’s child porn on his phone. That would be an immediate shut down of all things Kirk and Turning Point would be bankrupt. In the digital age, this is how someone gets silenced.

your points and ideas are valid. however,questioning the gov offered narrative,offering alt scenarios,throwing in personal experience is just fine. it's called free speech and freedom of thought and inquiry. IMHO questioning any and all gov statements is absolutely mandatory in our day and age. disbelieving the gov a priori is consistent with the facts we know or have damning evidence of in at least a dozen incidents over the last 120+ years.

 

[mosin46]

Every deer I’ve shot with a Core-Lokt was a pass through. However, I’ve recovered bullets just under the hide of the opposite side using rifles up to the .300 Weatherby.

just asking but on those deer pass throughs did no bones get hit? pass throughs when a bone was hit,even a rib?

 

[nagantguy]

Agreed. This ain’t some sofisticated Mossad / Israel / CIA operation.

Tranny loving radical leftist probs got involved with a radical leftist group and got pumped up into taking out Charlie with his grandpas hunting rifle. Definitely more people involved but I’d guess it’s nothing more than an Antifa type.

But don’t forget - seems you have - tranny - pedo - homo- commie - mass migration into the west is all thought up and payed for by the people you are saying ain’t involved .

Remember the first clinic that did daily “transition surgery “ was in Germany in the mid 30s . Run by- let’s see if you can guess

 

[Shootin25]

I have seen a 150g Core Lokt (not a particular robust bullet) pass completely through a 10” pine tree shot from 100y, and a neck stopped one at a little more than that? If a bullet was found under the skin as said, it was not from the weapon that is presented.

Good point. Surgeon states “high powered , high velocity”, but the coroner recovered the projectile.. unless they’re one and the same, the surgeon would not have known caliber unless informed, or by examination of the wound?

 

[al22300]

just asking but on those deer pass throughs did no bones get hit? pass throughs when a bone was hit,even a rib?

Yes, usually a rib or two and even a shoulder with Core-Lokts. I Haven’t used them for many years though. As far as I know we don’t know what bullet was used. I would say it is possible but very uncommon for a bullet fired from a 30-06 to not pass through.

 

[6.5SH]

Didn't have time to listen to this episode when it was live, guess I will need to do so and see what else was discussed.

 

[Shootin25]

Yes, usually a rib or two and even a shoulder with Core-Lokts. I Haven’t used them for many years though. As far as I know we don’t know what bullet was used. I would say it is possible but very uncommon for a bullet fired from a 30-06 to not pass through.

Unless there were some type of protection being used that caused a change of trajectory from the front redirecting the projectile upwards, or it was captured in the rear from a through.
It’s already been stated here several times there was no protection being used (don’t need to remind me). Just difficult to process this.

Edit: the back just looks anatomically incorrect.

 

[Maggot]

wish in 1 hand and shit in the other and see which fills 1st.

Havent heard that one in years.

And the answer is:

 

[DocRDS]

I swear to God the trolls in my town.......People been asking about memorial events and the Lib-trolls are out in force.

It probably a good thing i left early for a match as the useful idiots were out protesting and if I saw any signs i take issue with I might have to have a word of polite discussion.

It really adds nothing, i just gotta vent or I'm gonna end up in county lockup.