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WARNING ~ TR ~ My experience

Re: WARNING ~ tacticalrifles.net ~ My experience

Good work Shankster.....I can't wait to see ndn's response.

I can't believe ndn would not think to use a diff logon name...hahaha...what a turd burgler.
 
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This thread has reached a point that it should be a sticky when some half assed salesman comes on here to lie and point fingers. In turn being exposed as a fraud and liar himself. See what happens?
 
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Better companies compromise when it comes to customer service,

Even if that means owner education, you have to compromise to make things right and I am sure if they were open to discussing the original issue the owner would have never bothered to go to an outside smith to fix the rifle. The idea that you do no wrong or that it is some grand conspiracy to make you look bad is not worth the effort or the aggravation, it's better to own the product, good or bad.

There are tons of examples of problems on here, and there are just as many examples of the right way to handle it and the wrong way to handle it. This is an example of the wrong way. The right way would have been to do everything possible to get the rifle back and make it right. Letting it out of your control, dis-enfranchising the owner towards your product and company is not a good way of doing business in the digital world.

As they say, 1 ah shit wipes out a 100 attaboys and in the day and age of YouTube, it's even more so relevant. Heck look at all the service site like an Angie's List or Service Magic made to give customer reactions and responses to work done by contractors. You go on there and you feel even ounce of the good or bad a customer has with your work.

People more so want to hear about the bad, and dismiss the good spoken about a company online, but the bad is taken to heart so much faster, people want to avoid at all costs. The good is dismissed 75% of the time as being a shill or bought and paid for, but when a persons spends money and then spends more money to get it fixed, that is taken as gospel. That is why you have to excel in customer service.

Tip of the day, no charge.
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Luke 8:17
For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open.

Shankster to the rescue
 
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Frank,

Sage as always.

I actually saw an ad for TR rings in one of the comics a couple days ago. Was going to buy them. Not now. Going with Badger. Lots more money, but NEVER seen a criticism about Badger on here.

Vendors, beware the power of the internet.

N
 
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Some have asked about the time delay for getting the rifle repaired so I'll explain it as the customer explained it to me.

The OP came into my shop several months ago feeling like he wasn't treated well by TR and wanted to ask some questions and get some opinions on his rifle. He is new to this kind of shooting, doesn't have a lot of experience with firearms, and this was his first custom rifle. He put together some extra money, paid the price for a custom gun and was giddy with excitement when it showed up. Then he started looking it over and seeing things that seemed strange but he didn't have enough confidence in his own experience level to pass judgement.

He did figure out that the scope base wasn't right because it wasn't flat. You could see with the naked eye that there was a high spot in the middle so he had that replaced. I think TR either sent him a replacement or reimbursed him for a new one he purchased somewhere else I forget.

Then he had trouble getting his finger on the trigger because apparently it was cut short in order to fit in the guard. He shot the rifle a few times and could not get it to shoot a 1 MOA group at all. He called TR and talked to a guy named Dave about his experience with the rifle up to that point, and Dave told him he's obviously a rookie who can't shoot because TR builds real shooters for real operators.

At that point the customer didn't quite know how to handle it, was very disappointed in his first custom rifle experience, and put it in the safe to figure out later. Then other things in life came up and he didn't really have the time or money to start coming to shoot with the Nor Cal group as he planned to when he bought the gun.

A few years go by and he heard about me and my shop which is just 5 minutes from his house. He brought it over to me to take a look at it and maybe get a new trigger. As soon as I held it in my hands I immediately I started seeing things that were indicators of poor workmanship. The brake install, the damage to the stock along the barrel channel, and the cerakote work looked like a Chia pet in some areas but glossy in others.

I pointed out what I saw and he got very upset about it. Then he told me they were so rude to him in their refusal to take it back for repairs he didn't want to speak to them again. At that point I agreed to rebuild it for him.

I took the lousy phone video for two reasons. One was for him to see what was there and what I had to do to make it right and the other was for him to send it to TR to show them what kind of product they delivered. He sent them an email with a link to the video and a copy of my 1,300+ invoice. He told them to pay him the 900 dollars in labor charges or he would start posting the video on the forums and they didn't respond. He called them to ask about it and Dave told him he doesn't respond to threats and hung up the phone.

That's why all of this came out like this. NRA man gave them two opportunities to make it right and TR refused to help.

Knowing how they treated him, I'm not surprised they would have a company representative come on this forum, start a fraudulent account and lie about who he is with some bullshit story about three rifles and a buddy who is a USMC armorer. Then to make matters worse this proven fraud then accuses NRA man of dishonest behavior when the only thing he did wrong was buy a TR rifle. That's a real class act right there.

Marc
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ndnboy71</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am not saying you did anything other than post a video. And did the work shown, While I have no doubt that you are a capable rifle smith. However the man that brought you the rifle is another story. I personally think there is something hokie going on with that. All of a sudden 4 years after the purchase he is having problems with the rifle. The accuracy is bad, sounds to me like he shot the barrel out, And possibly was looking to get something for nothing. And after being told no but the company he got you to go along with what has just happened. Have you asked him if he tried to take it back to them to get it fixed (4 years later) also that all of a sudden there are all these guys out there that have purchased these rifles and had nothing but problems with them. Which I find that very hard to believe. And for those of you that find it hard to believe that someone would do that to a rifle they paid money for . I have seen people go in to car dealers with intentionally messed up cars just to get a new one under the warranty right before it ran out. Some People do messed up things to get what they want. I also think that this website as big as what it is is chock full of people that are willing to tear any company down that they either don’t have any REAL experience in shooting their rifles that can be verified in the real world and not on some forum such as this. Or that they are the paid competitors of tactical rifles or at least have some connection to one of the several companies to them. I think also that there has to be more to the story behind that letter that frank posted. Remember there is always two sides to every story. And all you are getting on here is the bad accusatory side. why dont you call the companty and let them defend thier product instead of just running off making wild accusations. </div></div> First of all you think I shot the barrel out so I had Mark cut the threads off a shot out barrel and re work a piece of shit. Second I stil have the trigger that was on the rifle I will try and post a picture to show how short it was and that is why I wanted to switch it out. This was my first rifle I ever purchased and believe me the first thing I will do on another is take it down and inspect it. If I seen this in the beginning I would of demanded my money back, but since so much time has gone by all I wanted to do is get compensated for machine work, $ 960.00 I payed 1450.00 all together. You keep trying to discredit me but the video tells the real story and all your theories just real kind of fall short and nobody is buying your bullshit.
 
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Marc, as always, nice work bud. It's to bad that nraman got taken in the beginning but at least you got him all squared away.
 
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That's how "Dave" responded? David is the apparent owner of the company. Wow.

Rob Looney might know a USMC armorer. His public facebook page has photos of him in the service overseas. Of course, knowing an armorer vs his claims of completely breaking down three rifles on a Friday night with an armorer because someone on the Internet is angry with TR are two different things.
 
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So do I have permission to berate them on their Facebook page for the next couple of years?
 
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No, there is no reason to level personal attacks against the company especially if you have no dog in the fight. Take the post for what is it, a cautionary tale.

Leave them alone personally the ball is in their court and based on the experience of last time, I suspect another letter from their attorney in the next few days. That is how they operate and why we won't do business with them, even when they were paying Tactical Republic there was questions from their account reps to me about opening up discussion and I refused.

It's clear Rob was inside with the company, how he believe with my letter there was more to the story. He tipped his hand several times as to his affiliation to the company. This was the same tactic they employed last time and follow with what Marc said, dropping the "real operators" and "professionals" as buzz words as to who is using these, which is more hype than substance. They throw those out to try and discredit everyone who doesn't agree with them. Well you're just a nobody we only deal with operators who know better. That I am sure shuts 90% of the problems down with people who don't know better and buy a rifle based off an ad or a 5 minute spot on a discovery channel tv show.
 
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Shankster is our resident interweb sleuth. Nothing escapes him. lol

I don't know what you do for a living, shank, but if you aren't some kinda detective you've missed your calling
 
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Are we referring to Tactical Rifles out of Zephyrhills, Fla. ? If so I am amazed that they let this turn into a major shitstorm of bad PR for them. I am not affiliated with them other than being a customer. I purchased one of their Chimera Para's and have been nothing but pleased with it in every aspect. It is as good as my UGSW ,GAP and APA. ,but in todays technology all it takes is one STUPID decision in customer service or quality of worksmanship to all but sink a business.Look what happened to HS Precision with their piss poor decision in one add. It all but sunk a good company. It is far better to get in front of a F/U be it the company or an employee's fubar.People never remember 100 compliments but NO ONE forgets a major FUBAR!! Man up dammitt, it is your business at the end of the day regardless of who's screw up it was.
 
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Great detective work Shankster!

They were paid to do a job and sent back a crap rifle with lose tolerances and sloppy fit. They did not meet the terms of the transaction/contract. I would sue them for the damage they did and the cost of getting rifle made right.

The only hope for them on this forum(precision shooting communities everywhere) would be for them to admit faults, assume responsibility, and make a serious effort to reform their process(with video). Lowlight gave them the perfect opportunity to do so.

TR needs a slice of humble pie. If you aren't capable of doing the work, DON'T DO THE WORK. What the OP posted, if not made right, is fraud.

My guess is that he will not come here and try to make things right. This will let thousands of potential customers know the quality of their work. They will continue to do low quality "gunsmithing," swindling money out of poor saps in their area.
 
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I dont make rifles. I make slings and teach folks to shoot. That means if I say anything bad about any rifle maker I potentialy lose money.

In this case I dont care. Frankly I never give two shits because truth is truth.

I remember the thing about Tactical Rifles a couple of years ago. They seemed wrong then and in my opinion they are real wrong here again. Frank gave them every chance to prove quality and performance. I have been busy and may have missed them showing anything to disprove the thread from back then but here is yet another chance. I talked with owner of Tactical Rifles back then. He seemed like a good guy. I sure wish they would do something to mkae this right.

The fact a man buys a rifle and then does not know its f'd up for a couple of years is no big stretch. I know lots of guys so busy making money they dont have much time to shoot. In several cases I have had students show up with POS pretty high dollar weapons that shot like crap and the guys had owned them for several years without shooting them.

I have seen a few Tactical Rifles weapons that had bedding jobs just like the one shown by Marc. That does not mean they wont shoot, as those jobs look like the ones I do, but I only shoot rifles I dont sell them. A professional job should look like a professionals job, no matter how it shoots.

In my years of doing this and writting articles on weapons, scopes, ammo, etc. I have shot and handled many different brands. This has taught me you dont always get what you pay for. This appears to be the case.

I have known Marc for nearly twenty years. He is as honest a man as anyone will find. I have one of his rifles I shot for a review. Its freaking built as well as you can get and a .25moa shooter. Plus he is one of the best shooters in the USA.

Animal, is a friend of mine and he also builds top tier weapons. I have a sniper and a F TR Rifle built by him. Only problem is when I dont win with his rifles I know its me. He is also that good.

I have shot one of Blackops Tech's weapons. Its also a fantastic weapon, with fit and finish as good as you can get in the business.

Look there are smiths who crank stuff out and build for the medium " I want a custome rifle but wont shoot it much crowd" and the ones who build to be as good as you can get. The good as you can get guys bend over backwards to make sure you are happy when ever its over.

I prefer a rifle that is built so well I dont even know how they do it. I see evidence here to suggest Tactical Rifles is not the builder for me.
 
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I can't believe I went to the movies last night instead of watching this post....100x more entertaining.

I feel for the OP and his bad experience...when you spend a serious $$$ on a rifle, you should get serious customer service every step of the way, not this BS run-around. The custom rifle world isn't so big that reputation (good or bad) doesn't get around in a big hurry. Having reviews in magazines just means that you paid for the ad, and it does not guarantee a good product. If that was the case, everyone I know would own a Taurus.
 
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I have been a lurker here for several years, and I do not have a pony in this show. I have a low post count, because most have more experience, and why repeat the things that have been stated in much better detail than what I could say. But I will attest, in those years I have never seen any of the more highly regarded posters and members be off base on any dispute.

I am sure we all have rifles that have not been shot or shot very little for whatever reason. I have several rifles sitting in the gun safe that have never been shot. If I took one out tomorrow that I have never fired after having them worked on, I would complain also.

NDN you posted for anyone that doubted you to PM you. Well I have. Here is what I sent, for everyone to see:

"You said to send you a PM for your verification. What unit are you in, your duty station? Also the name of the armorer I can easily verify through my son-in-law. A Marine armorer will easily verify what they know to a fellow marine armorer. I await your response."

Do not try to bully me with any of your BS. I am as well versed about slander as you are. So let us see if you answer my PM, and what you say is true. I can easily verify if it is true.

As far as these forums being brutal, you should try to custom boat builder forums or the car forums. The members here are much easier going.

The military or LE not liking this forum is BS. The other vendors and Smiths on this site are active supporters of the military and LE community. A few members here, as well as some of the smiths have even supported some of family's units during deployment. So to that argument you can tke a flying leap off of a short building.

The OP posted up a concern that anyone on here would like to know about. If you can not accept that, then tough. Grow some thick skin. If someone had posted about any other smith on here, I am sure you would not have jumped on the band wagon. The OP showed his saide of the story, and you have nothing but vague proof. Show your three rifles, with the invoices you have. Post up your groupings from them, get your USMC armorer to video tape his opinion of your rifles and their quality. Put some facts in your posts. Everyone else has.
 
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I recently attended a course for 21 days where we shot Tacticalrifles.net rifles that were M24 clones.

<span style="font-weight: bold">My gun shot .25MOA with 168 grain GMM. </span>

The gun did have an HS stock and the bedding did allow the barrel to touch the barrel channel which appeared to be obviously sloppy to me as the person bedding could have wrapped a couple layers of tape around the barrel and easily floated the barrels. Several off these guns exhibited that tendency. That gave several shooters the opinion the guns were garbage. I didn't appreciate the lack of a floating barrel any more than anyone else, but couldn't argue with a gun that was more accurate than any M24 I ever ran in the military.

The trigger was heavy and this was the only other fault I could associate with Tactical Rifles.net. The trigger was ~5lbs and should have been 2.5 or maybe 3lbs in my opinion. It was heavy. The finish on my rifle was aesthetically good, with no obvious flaws.

The action was not as smooth as an M24. The ways were probably OEM and not polished or modified.

One disagreement I have with this video is the concept that larger screw sockets merit a total swap of bottom metal. I find it hard to believe a skilled craftsmen couldn't find a work around (round those sharp corners and use different action screws?)

This comes accross as an hit piece, but the bedding and action thread issues are valid concerns.

Is the bore in the average barrel true from one end to the other? I would expect .003" TIR from one end to the other to be typical or even good for a barrel. The chamber reamer should follow the bore, so a trued chamber with a not trued bore would represent an eccentric chamber in the barrel (not desirable). Personally I'd rather my bullets chamber in the center of the barrel bore.

<span style="font-weight: bold">One of the students at the course I attended was a Marine sniper who used rapid bolt manipulation (shooting in the same atmospheric conditions) to fire a 3 shot 7/8" group at 400 yards. (I was pulling his target). That was with a TacticalRifles.net rifle. </span>

Based on what I saw, I'd probably say I'd want someone else to bed the rifle, but their rifles did produce results and I can't really argue with results.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tactical</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I dont make rifles. I make slings and teach folks to shoot. That means if I say anything bad about any rifle maker I potentialy lose money.
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Mike, I'm going to celebrate your post by going to Triad's site and ordering a slip cuff. Cha-Ching!
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Griffin Armament</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I recently attended a course for 21 days where we shot Tacticalrifles.net rifles that were M24 clones.

<span style="font-weight: bold">My gun shot .25MOA with 168 grain GMM. </span>

The gun did have an HS stock and the bedding did allow the barrel to touch the barrel channel which appeared to be obviously sloppy to me. Several off these guns exhibited that tendency. That gave several shooters the opinion the guns were garbage. I didn't appreciate the lack of a floating barrel, but couldn't argue with a gun that was more accurate than any M24 I ever ran in the military.

The trigger was heavy and this was the only other fault I could associate with Tactical Rifles.net. The trigger was ~5lbs and should have been 2.5 or maybe 3lbs in my opinion. It was heavy.

One disagreement I have with this video is the concept that larger screw sockets merit a total swap of bottom metal. I find it hard to believe a skilled craftsmen couldn't find a work around (round those sharp corners and use different action screws?)

This comes accross as an hit piece, but the bedding and action thread issues make sense.

Is the bore in the average barrel true from one end to the other? I would expect .003" TIR from one end to the other to be typical or even good for a barrel. The chamber reamer should follow the bore, so a trued chamber with a not trued bore would represent an eccentric chamber in the barrel (not desirable). Personally I'd rather my bullets chamber in the center of the barrel bore.


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Marc, does not have a "Hit job" in him.

Nicest guy you will ever meet and if you met him you would be sad you suggested it.
 
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I believe I'm gonna sit on the porch with a Cuban cigar and a bottle of Scotch this is epic entertainment
 
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Been lurking around the sight for a while now. Weird I was at my buddies house with a few other school trained guys from our old platoon and we were talkin guns and he pulled out a bottom metal he had acquired, with tr on the bottom of the trigger guard and didn't know who made it. After shrugging off the hangover when I woke up I googled bottom metal with tr and this pops up. Sorry that shit happened to you nraman, and at least you have a shooter now. A companies QC and customer service definitely speak volumes on workmanship. Over all love this and the awesome googlefu pulled off lol.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tactical</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Griffin Armament</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I recently attended a course for 21 days where we shot Tacticalrifles.net rifles that were M24 clones.

<span style="font-weight: bold">My gun shot .25MOA with 168 grain GMM. </span>

The gun did have an HS stock and the bedding did allow the barrel to touch the barrel channel which appeared to be obviously sloppy to me. Several off these guns exhibited that tendency. That gave several shooters the opinion the guns were garbage. I didn't appreciate the lack of a floating barrel, but couldn't argue with a gun that was more accurate than any M24 I ever ran in the military.

The trigger was heavy and this was the only other fault I could associate with Tactical Rifles.net. The trigger was ~5lbs and should have been 2.5 or maybe 3lbs in my opinion. It was heavy.

One disagreement I have with this video is the concept that larger screw sockets merit a total swap of bottom metal. I find it hard to believe a skilled craftsmen couldn't find a work around (round those sharp corners and use different action screws?)

This comes accross as an hit piece, but the bedding and action thread issues make sense.

Is the bore in the average barrel true from one end to the other? I would expect .003" TIR from one end to the other to be typical or even good for a barrel. The chamber reamer should follow the bore, so a trued chamber with a not trued bore would represent an eccentric chamber in the barrel (not desirable). Personally I'd rather my bullets chamber in the center of the barrel bore.


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Marc, does not have a "Hit job" in him.

Nicest guy you will ever meet and if you met him you would be sad you suggested it. </div></div>

I don't feel my comments were unfair or unkind.
 
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Hit job is the representative of the company suggesting the rifle owner is lying and altered the rifle to make the company look bad, or to suggest Marc was being fooled by the owner and wouldn't know an after the fact hack job meant to make the rifle look bad.

The hit job is the company surrogate coming on without acknowledging his connection to the company and his insider status while suggesting highly un-plausible possibilities as to why we are looking at these issues, basically everything but the company might have sent out a sub-standard product. From attacking the character of the rifle owner to the character of the site, that is a hit job.
 
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Wasn't the first clue that he worked for testicle rifles the fact that his spelling and grammar were as sloppy as the companies "certified" gunsmithing work?
 
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Knowing Marc personally, he is as stand-up of a guy as there is. He is not the kind of guy to go about trashing other 'smiths work. This I know as fact from my own experience.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Griffin Armament</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
<span style="font-weight: bold">The gun did have an HS stock and the bedding did allow the barrel to touch the barrel channel which appeared to be obviously sloppy to me as the person bedding could have wrapped a couple layers of tape around the barrel and easily floated the barrels. Several off these guns exhibited that tendency.</span>

<span style="font-weight: bold">The trigger was heavy and this was the only other fault I could associate with Tactical Rifles.net. The trigger was ~5lbs and should have been 2.5 or maybe 3lbs in my opinion</span>.

<span style="font-weight: bold">The action was not as smooth as an M24. The ways were probably OEM and not polished or modified.</span>

<span style="font-weight: bold">This comes accross as an hit piece, but the bedding and action thread issues are valid concerns.</span>

<span style="font-weight: bold">Based on what I saw, I'd probably say I'd want someone else to bed the rifle...</span>
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Sounds like a quality weapon
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If <span style="font-style: italic">anybody</span> that has paid for a custom gun recieved one as you described they would be pissed as well. I would guess that some quality shooters made the gun look good, not vice versa.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hit job is the representative of the company suggesting the rifle owner is lying and altered the rifle to make the company look bad, or to suggest Marc was being fooled by the owner and wouldn't know an after the fact hack job meant to make the rifle look bad.

The hit job is the company surrogate coming on without acknowledging his connection to the company and his insider status while suggesting highly un-plausible possibilities as to why we are looking at these issues, basically everything but the company might have sent out a sub-standard product. From attacking the character of the rifle owner to the character of the site, that is a hit job. </div></div>

I'm confused. I don't work for Tactical Rifles.net. I didn't even know of them prior to 6 weeks ago.

I went to a course and realized my M24 wasn't a real M24 when I looked at the barrel and saw "Tacticalrifles.net" engraved near the chamber.

I was reporting my experience with their rifle, and observations of 10 other rifles made by the company.

Maybe their QC is all over the map. Maybe they have 40 rifle builders and the guns I saw were all made by one of those. I have no idea, but the guns I saw weren't in need of massive re-work. Proper bedding is probably something I would have done if I owned the rifle I shot. The barrel touching the stock bothered me mentally, the heavy trigger would have been replaced. I probably would have done something with the adjustable HS buttplate that wiggled (a problem with HS M24 buttplates). But I would have been happy to have been given the rifle to keep. I don't currently have a bolt gun and that was a nice accurate bolt gun.
 
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Go back and read the early pages, they immediately sent a representative here and he misrepresented himself as nothing more than concerned customer.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Go back and read the early pages, they immediately sent a representative here and he misrepresented himself as nothing more than concerned customer.

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yep. he falsely represented himself while at the same time accused the op or mark of misrepresenting a company to put the competition in a bad light.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ndnboy71</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i see the video and seeing that i have 3 of the Tactical rifles platforms, over a spred of 7 years of shooting them they all still hold groups of under 1/2 moa at 500 yards. how ever after seeing the video i took all 3 rifles to my marine corps armorer that worked in the USMC armory building the shooting team and sniper school rifles in quantico. He did an off stock inspection of all 3 rifles and found that they were all to the original specs other that nominal barrel wear do to round count of over 1000 rounds per rifle. <span style="color: #FF0000">i then showed him the video and he is under the impression that this was not the original stock and was a post production stock that had been butchered on purpose to show tacticle rifles work in a bad light.</span> </div></div>
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Griffin Armament</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Maybe their QC is all over the map. Maybe they have 40 rifle builders and the guns I saw were all made by one of those. I have no idea, but the guns I saw weren't in need of massive re-work. Proper bedding is probably something I would have done if I owned the rifle I shot. The barrel touching the stock bothered me mentally, the heavy trigger would have been replaced. I probably would have done something with the adjustable HS buttplate that wiggled (a problem with HS M24 buttplates). But I would have been happy to have been given the rifle to keep. I don't currently have a bolt gun and that was a nice accurate bolt gun.
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Man, if this seems anywhere near acceptable to you I certainly won't be buying any of your product either! T&E anyone?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Go back and read the early pages, they immediately sent a representative here and he misrepresented himself as nothing more than concerned customer.

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Sorry for the confusion.

I don't really have a dog in the fight so I'll lay off.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Griffin Armament</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
<span style="font-weight: bold">Maybe their QC is all over the map</span>.
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That is unacceptable. Maybe in a factory gun but, certainly not a "custom" built weapon. That is a huge reason to buy a custom gun; to avoid "QC that is all over the map."
 
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What happened to ndnboy71? He has not spoken up in awhile...
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SuppressorJunkie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What happened to ndnboy71? He has not spoken up in awhile... </div></div>
My guess, He sitting in a corner feeling like an A$$.
 
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Funny thing , I've been looking at there rifles on GB .
Not going there for sure now.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SuppressorJunkie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What happened to ndnboy71? He has not spoken up in awhile... </div></div>

It's difficult to have a come back for what has been said and shown. The only move left is to come clean and they don't seem to be ready for that one yet.

Waiting patiently.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SuppressorJunkie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What happened to ndnboy71? He has not spoken up in awhile... </div></div>

I think that Shankster kicked him in the balls, and he's rolling on the floor grimacing and looking for his breath.
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Or, perhaps he <span style="font-weight: bold"> <span style="font-style: italic">finally </span> </span>figgered out he was beating a dead horse...
 
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Maybe just maybe... his employer found out that he tried to decieve us as a innocent bystander and defend the company, but when he got called out on it, the employer fired him formaking the company look WAYY worse...

But then again that would be the actions of a stand up company so I highly doubt this is the case. He got called on trying to fake us out and now is too scared to show his face.
 
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that yet again is a wrong assumtion from a bunch of rednecks. that isnt a picture of me. have a nice day
 
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I'm not a redneck sir but I do like long range weapons and I figured ICBMs couldn't beat beat in that arena.....I'm a highly trained nuclear weapons electrical maintenance technician...I don't think anyone has called you any names yet. Tell us your story then?
 
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Your entire eighteen posts are on this thread and it seems you joined just to comment on this one in particular so its now just absolutely blatantly obvious you are affiliated with said company...So take your time, collect your thoughts, and get back with us.
 
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Wow - I go away for a two days and I miss all the excitement.

OP - that is extremely shoddy work to say the least..Sorry that you had to go through it.

It is quite a valuable lesson for others who read this before ordering their next custom built rifle so they choose their builder wisely.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ndnboy71</div><div class="ubbcode-body">that yet again is a wrong assumtion from a bunch of rednecks. that isnt a picture of me. have a nice day </div></div>

Holy shit fella, read this entire fiasco and I just have to ask...How flippin deep of a hole(or whole in case you can't understand correct grammar) are you going to dig for yourself??? A true narcassist with no shame and rotten grammar whos only defense is name calling and cheezy 'sister' insults! Do you seriously think that all those who read this thread and your responses with preschool(or skool 4 u) grammar are going to take your side and find ANY credibility with your statements and comments? I mean...seriously...how flippin ignorant are you to suspect that everyone here(or hear) is beneath you and less credible? You have absolutely NO defense. The absolute only thing you have accomplished is prove the OP's case to be 100% true and correct, period!!!

You better do a self examination cause dude....the balls you think you have....they are giving you an impresssion of being a MAN, and fella, you're a far cry from one!!!
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ndnboy71</div><div class="ubbcode-body">that yet again is a wrong assumtion from a bunch of rednecks. that isnt a picture of me. have a nice day </div></div>
Shankster, are you a redneck? How could you?



(ndnboy - riiiiight)
 
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