Rifle Scopes Moa/Moa high quality , lightweights

[strick9]

Looking for a future wish list, I don't believe its available now, something in the March, Premier LT weight and glass quality class but with Moa reticle similar to Moar, Npr1 and Moa turns and a low end around 3 mag- high end 15 mag.

I have read all of ILYAs articles but couldn't find any mention of either Premier LT or March offering Moa/Moa. I may have missed it though.

Does this exist anywhere at the moment? Currently running 4 different NXS 3.5x15x56 NPR1 ZS but at 31 oz vers 21ish would help me up the tree a bit.

Thanks

 

[Dsparil]

Re: Moa/Moa high quality , lightweights

The lightest in quality MOA MOA right now is nightforce, to be honest. It's what I'm currently running.

 

[tylerw02]

Re: Moa/Moa high quality , lightweights

I would just switch to mrad scopes. It's the standard and all the options are there for it. I was stubborn too, but glad I switched.

 

[strick9]

Re: Moa/Moa high quality , lightweights

I originally ran all mrad, my brain however functions in powers of one much better than .36 .72 and so on.

I get your point though if thats what I want, shutup with the whining and switch back to mills.

Currently own 4 NXS and love them minus the weight.

Anyone else?

 

[Early Cuyler]

Re: Moa/Moa high quality , lightweights

Schmidt and Bender makes an MOA-based version of their P4F reticle.

 

[hrfunk]

Re: Moa/Moa high quality , lightweights

I was at Kelbly's two days ago looking at an MOA/MOA March. You might want to give them a call.

HRF

 

[tylerw02]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: STRICK9</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I originally ran all mrad, my brain however functions in powers of one much better than .36 .72 and so on.

I get your point though if thats what I want, shutup with the whining and switch back to mills.

Currently own 4 NXS and love them minus the weight.

Anyone else? </div></div>

I don't understand what you mean when you say your brain functions in powers of 1 better than .36, .72, etc. None of this has anything to do with mRad or MOA.

You print off a dope sheet in mRad. You range with mils, plug in the formula if you need to. You do your windage holds based on your data (in mils). If anything, the mrad is easier, you just gotta wrap your head around it and quit trying to think of your knobs in increments of inches because on MOA or mRad, they aren't. Read a few tutorials. You'll get it.

 

[Swift]

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What's MOA?

If you're not opposed to S&B, I'd go there first.

 

[Swift]

Re: Moa/Moa high quality , lightweights

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tylerw02</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: STRICK9</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I originally ran all mrad, my brain however functions in powers of one much better than .36 .72 and so on.

I get your point though if thats what I want, shutup with the whining and switch back to mills.

Currently own 4 NXS and love them minus the weight.

Anyone else? </div></div>

I don't understand what you mean when you say your brain functions in powers of 1 better than .36, .72, etc. None of this has anything to do with mRad or MOA.

You print off a dope sheet in mRad. You range with mils, plug in the formula if you need to. You do your windage holds based on your data (in mils). If anything, the mrad is easier, you just gotta wrap your head around it and quit trying to think of your knobs in increments of inches because on MOA or mRad, they aren't. Read a few tutorials. You'll get it. </div></div>

The most common error I see guys making with mrad based systems is the introduction of inches, feet and other measurements that aren't mrads. Throw all of that out; mils are their own language. If you have a mil reticle and mil adjustments, you have everything you need and if you introduce any other units you are over-complicating the original idea.

Once guys get over the habit of measuring inches and feet, they're baffled at how easy it actually is. I don't see anything easy about making MOA adjustments at 567 yards when 1MOA=5.67"; right off the rip you're doing math and 5.67 is just as many decimal places as a mil system will ever go.

Sorry for the hijack, back on topic!

 

[strick9]

Re: Moa/Moa high quality , lightweights

Thanks for the input on the March, I will do some more diggin that direction.

Owned a SnB and I don't think the weight savings are there quite yet,though I liked the rig with the Holland ART that sold recently.

Agreed on your Mrad comment, but your saying just look at sheet, adjust and shoot. However to me Mrad has a lot to do with .36 as a mill is basically 3.6" at 100, thus each click on a cm/mrad click is .36 at 100 or .72 at 200 and so on. Correct me if I am wrong, to add 99 percent of the time I am shooting fur not steel.

For me its just a matter of brain function. I pack a dope sheet on my rigs and a range finder, water, climbing stand, light, rope, gps, compass, kestrel and food bars, basically enough to spend the night. I won't be carrying a computer to the field ( though I have mulled it over) or stand to do math when my range isn't exactly a hundred yard even increment and I generally don't pack a dope sheet the size of sheet of notebook paper to cover the 25 and 50 increments. Thats done in da head. Again one is one and 4 clicks is one. I know stubborn and stupid may come to mind.

To add, I reckn if you just shut the 3.6 brain down, read the range, read the dope sheet and dial it doesn't make a hoot which you run, but that damn 3.6 is always in my head.

Again thanks for all the comments.


This thread can die now.

 

[kraigWY]

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I totally understand you wanting a MOA scope, and I know mils, worked with them quite a bit running machine gun schools.

But I still like MOA for some things, Mils for others.

Now to the question.

I don't know who made it, its listed as a Scheels bran. My wife bought it for me when she bought my Ruger #1 204.

It's an excellent scope 4-16X. The sights are 1/8 MOA. Normally I don't like them that small, but for a varmint rifle 1/8 moa works great.

 

[Swift]

Re: Moa/Moa high quality , lightweights

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: STRICK9</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks for the input on the March, I will do some more diggin that direction.

Owned a SnB and I don't think the weight savings are there quite yet,though I liked the rig with the Holland ART that sold recently.

Agreed on your Mrad comment, but your saying just look at sheet, adjust and shoot. However to me Mrad has a lot to do with .36 as a mill is basically 3.6" at 100, thus each click on a cm/mrad click is <span style="font-weight: bold">.36 at 100 or .72 at 200 and so on</span>. Correct me if I am wrong, to add 99 percent of the time I am shooting fur not steel.

For me its just a matter of brain function. I pack a dope sheet on my rigs and a range finder, water, climbing stand, light, rope, gps, compass, kestrel and food bars, basically enough to spend the night. I won't be carrying a computer to the field ( though I have mulled it over) or stand to do math when my range isn't exactly a hundred yard even increment and I generally don't pack a dope sheet the size of sheet of notebook paper to cover the 25 and 50 increments. Thats done in da head. Again one is one and 4 clicks is one. I know stubborn and stupid may come to mind.

To add, I reckn if you just shut the 3.6 brain down, read the range, read the dope sheet and dial it doesn't make a hoot which you run, but that damn 3.6 is always in my head.

Again thanks for all the comments.


This thread can die now.</div></div>

Not quite. Mils aren't a linear measurement like MOA, it's a trig unit based on the angle back to the shooter. 1 milliradian is 1/1000th of a radian. A mil is a mil is a mil. It's all relative.

This thread has some good info that might clear a few things up. Not flaming you for using MOA, many guys do with good success, but it's good to have a basic understanding of both. I shoot with a guy who doesn't use mils, doesn't like em so when I spot, I can give him adjustments in MOA but when I'm shooting, he has to give me MOA and I have to convert it.

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3486336#Post3486336

 

[hypno02]

Re: Moa/Moa high quality , lightweights

Master both, in the end you will be happy you can convert mils to moa and moa's to mil's in the same manner. You never know who you'll be spotting. If it were up to me, MOA. Sadly, we live in a mil world.

ETA: I'd pick NF. I run one and they are awesome.