This case doesn't fit the legal definition of Defamation in the first place.
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This case doesn't fit the legal definition of Defamation in the first place.
I haven't seen anything mentioning a court where the lawsuit was filed. If/when a lawsuit is filed rest assured you'll know about it.
Im watching this closely cause if sei wins i will sue every one of you fuckholes that have said i am awsome and know what i talk about, shit that is completely untrue.
Well I'm counter-suing you because your praise for Fleshlights and Tenga Eggs has caused emotional strain on my marriage. Think twice before posting such things.....
Why don't you tell us how you really feel....
SEI is fkng up, I read the whole thread and am on that forum as I am in love with my M1A and sleep with it. They are incorrect and the letter from their lawyer is posted in that thread.
Are most of you guys (the ones that hate SEI) going to boycott those dealers of SEI, the ones listed on their web site? This might be a good way to send the message! Otherwise, they'll keep on selling. I don't mean just boycott for SEI products, but 100% of their offerings, until SEI drops the lawsuit and apologizes to everyone in the gun community for even thinking about taking this action!!!
I wonder if a letter would do anything if a bunch of people send them to brownells and midwayusa describing the way they treat their customers would cause them to hold or drop their products.
SpookM14, I guess it couldn't hurt, but stop buying from them, no matter what, until they no longer sell anything associated with SEI would do the trick. Based on a lot of post on this very string, I can't imagine these guys wanting to do business with anyone that sells SEI stuff! Maybe I'm wrong, and the sudden hatred isn't as strong as it first appears. Just saying.
I don't typically like boycotting companies, a lot of people work there and they will pay the price for having a douche bag owner, I own some SEI parts and have to say they are of high quality. I called them a few months ago about getting some work done to my rifle or even getting a new one, the guy on the phone was not too forthcoming, almost as if I was wasting his time with questions, I ended up sending my rifle to SAI to get a NM package done on it, only $458 for a new NM med barrel, NM sights, unitized gas system, and a stock bedding job, NM trigger job, plus it comes with a lifetime warranty. I am a happy SAI customer, as well as a LRB customer service, both those companies are pleasant to deal with, LRB is also a wealth of knowledge, they will not upsell you on anything, very straight forward and easy to talk to. There are a few other smiths on the M14 forum who are also in the same league as LRB and SAI, lots of options to deal with in the M14/M1a world.
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Having been served with a lawsuit before it had the name of the judge, court, date it was filed and a big stamp on it. That looks like a civil complaint that has yet to be filed with a court.
You may be right regarding the boycott, who knows, however; it appears a very large number of "about to buy from SEI" types have already decided to boycott SEI. It may just be enough to put them out of business- I'd just be curious to know how their sales are for the next year-it may be they'll be hard pressed to sell a thing, I'll keep an ear open.
Smith Enterprises, Inc. Suing over a forum post.
"Need a lawyer... served with SEI lawsuit today." It appears to be the title of a Thread on an M14 Forum.
If you have knowledge that the information given is false, then post it. Otherwise, please stop derailing the Thread.
OK, if you're still not willing to read the first post of this Thread, allow me to re-post an excerpt from the very first paragraph:
"Need a lawyer... served with SEI lawsuit today." It appears to be the title of a Thread on an M14 Forum.
If you have knowledge that the information given is false, then post it. Otherwise, please stop derailing the Thread.
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Smith Enterprises, Inc. Suing over a forum post.
Do you think all this would be happening if SEI could pay its bills and deliver on its promises?
Consider for a moment that the lawsuit could be an indication of SEI's existing business troubles rather than the cause of them.
Because it looks to me like the 'don't do business with SEI' horse has bolted from the barn, and there's no use in calling to people to shut the gate.
Please think about what you posted, maybe for just a few seconds:
Do you think all this would be happening if SEI could pay its bills and deliver on its promises?
Consider for a moment that the lawsuit could be an indication of SEI's existing business troubles rather than the cause of them.
Because it looks to me like the 'don't do business with SEI' horse has bolted from the barn, and there's no use in calling to people to shut the gate.
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Yeah you're right I'm wrong just weird to me that it didn't name a judge or anything. Here it is:
Smith Enterprise Incorporated v. Hammonds :: Justia Dockets & Filings
Smith Enterprise Incorporated v. Hammonds :: Justia Dockets & Filings
Thanks for the link BCP.
Well.
I've read the thread from over the ocean... Well - what a wonderfull and colorfull life you do have there, guys...
So as i see it - if SEI win it means that McDonalds will be able to sue everyone who says Cheeseburgers are dangerous for one's health?
I've read the thread from over the ocean... Well - what a wonderfull and colorfull life you do have there, guys...
So as i see it - if SEI win it means that McDonalds will be able to sue everyone who says Cheeseburgers are dangerous for one's health?
I once got sued by a company for claiming their erection cream didn't work. I lost. Badly. I didn't read the fine print: The instructions said it had to be applied by the hands of an 18 year old girl.
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Smith Enterprises, Inc. Suing over a forum post.
Those weren't instructions, that was a warning label.
Well, you may have a point, in regards to all those that will not now do business with SEI, I guess the point was mute, as you believe their existing business troubles are the cause of this problem. I'd be guessing, but their could be other reasons why they had this SNAFU. We shall all know in a year from now if the speculation is correct, or just BS. If they are able to sell every gun they make in the next 12 months and have a profitable year-maybe there was another problem, not being discussed by anyone, including them. Time will tell, we'll have an entire year, rather than a few seconds to see....just saying. I'll keep an eye on it, as I'm sure you will too.
You know the really fun thing is that the defendant could just run wild with discovery and make every production problem SEI is having open to public scrutiny.
LOL they put a bible verse on their Facebook page. I wish they hadn't banned me from there I'd have a ball with that one.
"And the Egyptians said to Moses,
'Thy wooden staff has cracks, we do not believe it is divine'
And Moses spoketh in response
'Verily, my lawyer shall rain paper upon thee!"
Or maybe the 11th commandment
"Love thy neighbor,
Until thou art angry,
Then sue, sue sue!
For the Lord loves all Lawyers,
Whether they be of Injury, Patent or Intellectual Property"
And then a real bible verse:
"The end of the matter is always better than its beginning, and patience is worthier than pride" which I think is Ecclesiastes
"And the Egyptians said to Moses,
'Thy wooden staff has cracks, we do not believe it is divine'
And Moses spoketh in response
'Verily, my lawyer shall rain paper upon thee!"
Or maybe the 11th commandment
"Love thy neighbor,
Until thou art angry,
Then sue, sue sue!
For the Lord loves all Lawyers,
Whether they be of Injury, Patent or Intellectual Property"
And then a real bible verse:
"The end of the matter is always better than its beginning, and patience is worthier than pride" which I think is Ecclesiastes
Smith Enterprises, Inc. Suing over a forum post.
Ramdoman5,
Federal court discovery is time-limited, and abuses can be sanctioned. That said, you are correct in that SEI will probably be required to disclose more than the plaintiff does about its business, and probably more than it wants to about its business as well.
But before discovery even starts, if I was the plaintiff I would be wondering if this pro se defendant might answer the complaint with an embarrassing narrative and then make sufficient counter claims to have me concerned about the mounting costs.
That is, provided this defendant were to get some good advice from an attorney who could help him represent himself, and then the defendant could answer the complaint on the cheap.
Not legal advice, just talking out loud, but I am thinking that if I were the defendant I would answer the procedural issues first, like jurisdiction.
Ramdoman5,
Federal court discovery is time-limited, and abuses can be sanctioned. That said, you are correct in that SEI will probably be required to disclose more than the plaintiff does about its business, and probably more than it wants to about its business as well.
But before discovery even starts, if I was the plaintiff I would be wondering if this pro se defendant might answer the complaint with an embarrassing narrative and then make sufficient counter claims to have me concerned about the mounting costs.
That is, provided this defendant were to get some good advice from an attorney who could help him represent himself, and then the defendant could answer the complaint on the cheap.
Not legal advice, just talking out loud, but I am thinking that if I were the defendant I would answer the procedural issues first, like jurisdiction.
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This is a prime example of why a person uses "Tails" and posts anonymously. Let the attorneys track that........
You stated, "Because it looks to me like the 'don't do business with SEI' horse has bolted from the barn, and there's no use in calling to people to shut the gate." By tracking, I was referring to their future sales, will this in fact harm their business, or will they continue to sell all the rifles they can produce, along with their other products. If the horse bolted, then I guess in the next year their profits will go down, if the horse decides to return to the barn (remember the gate is still open) then their profits will go up or remain the same. I'd be interested to know how they do in the next year. Based on all the posts on the subject (including yours) , it looks like a lot of posters are more than casually interested.
I'm with Graham in that a company doing something like this is usually a sign of deeper troubles. Maybe not, it could be all ego but I'm betting something else is amiss. Time will tell.
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I thought ego at first but some other things I'm reading makes me think that it could be business troubles.
Graham is correct that the Defedant need not disprove the Plaintiff's allegations. However, the Defendant does need to Answer or otherwise appear within the prescribed period. Otherwise, a default judgment will be entered against him. If you don't show up, the Court will assume that the Plaintiff's allegations are true and correct. The Court would still hold a hearing to determine the amount of the Plaintiff's damages, as the Plaintiff does not have a claim for a sum certain.
By "business troubles" do you guys mean the law suit indicates they have business troubles, or the taking money in advance and making customers wait a very long time for product, then when hit with complaints-returning all the money 100% of it? I know a lot of businesses-many not even manufacturers, just importers/resellers that in the last year or so have taken orders, some of them collected funds in advance, on goods they didn't have, and didn't have a delivery date, yet when it was broached by an un happy customer, their fan-boys went ballistic in their defense! Nonetheless, I am in 100% agreement they if you are taking orders, collecting money for those orders, you should have a pretty good idea of when you'll deliver. Part of the problem is the consumer, far to often they are willing to turn their money over to a seller-just to get on the list. So happy to get on the list, they don't ask for delivery dates etc.
If you want to know my thoughts on this PM me, the drama on it has kinda burnt me out. Seems like the only one who can post post post post about SEI is that nitwit H2O MAN.
Sure they do, they assume the Lawyers know what the fuck they are talking about.
LOL! That's because the lawyers make the rules.
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Well please allow me to retort. First, isn’t the Internet great. On the Internet, someone like you can pretend to be whatever they want to be. In this case, an expert on Arizona law. I know absolutely nothing about your background, and you certainly know nothing of mine. I love to shoot. At the local matches the overwhelming majority of people I meet are great people. Good hard working people that enjoy shooting and like spending time with others that share their same passion for the sport. There are of course a few arrogant pricks there as well that work so very hard to convince everyone else of their superiority. Based upon your posts, you strike me as the latter. Perhaps you have the skillset and experience to backup your arrogance. Let’s find out shall we.
Please share with the good members of the hide your extensive experience practicing in Arizona Federal Court, or any court in Arizona. At the very least, please tell me your actually an attorney, and licensed to practice in some jurisdiction. I can tell you that, based upon your posts, it is clear that are not. Perhaps you are a transactional attorney, and not a litigator. I say that because you seem to have difficultly with matters that a litigator deals with on a daily basis. You didn’t understand the concept of personal jurisdiction until I explained it to you. Of course, your response was to inform me that I was completely wrong. Although curiously, you proceeded to regurgitate the information I posted in some of your subsequent posts.
Where do I get my information? From the Internet? From my personal experience and, in this case, the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure. Before you start your Google search, let me narrow it down for you chief. It’s Rule 55. Have you ever obtained a default judgment against a defendant? If so, you would understand how it works. It’s a fairly straightforward procedure.
I’m sure you are knowledgeable about something, but this topic doesn’t appear to be in your wheelhouse my friend. You should stick to what you know. What’s the expression, “Jackoff of all trades, master of none.” No worries, if I got that wrong, I’m sure you will let me know.
So, in summation, unless you graduated law school with honors, are admitted to practice in three states by examination (this means you have sat for and passed the bar exam in three separate states, as opposed to being admitted by motion, which is far easier), and have practiced in Arizona District Court for more than a decade, I must kindly ask that you refrain from disagreeing with everything I post.
My apologies for derailing the thread, but in the words of my three year old “He started it.”
Well please allow me to retort. First, isn’t the Internet great. On the Internet, someone like you can pretend to be whatever they want to be. In this case, an expert on Arizona law. I know absolutely nothing about your background, and you certainly know nothing of mine. I love to shoot. At the local matches the overwhelming majority of people I meet are great people. Good hard working people that enjoy shooting and like spending time with others that share their same passion for the sport. There are of course a few arrogant pricks there as well that work so very hard to convince everyone else of their superiority. Based upon your posts, you strike me as the latter. Perhaps you have the skillset and experience to backup your arrogance. Let’s find out shall we.
Please share with the good members of the hide your extensive experience practicing in Arizona Federal Court, or any court in Arizona. At the very least, please tell me your actually an attorney, and licensed to practice in some jurisdiction. I can tell you that, based upon your posts, it is clear that are not. Perhaps you are a transactional attorney, and not a litigator. I say that because you seem to have difficultly with matters that a litigator deals with on a daily basis. You didn’t understand the concept of personal jurisdiction until I explained it to you. Of course, your response was to inform me that I was completely wrong. Although curiously, you proceeded to regurgitate the information I posted in some of your subsequent posts.
Where do I get my information? From the Internet? From my personal experience and, in this case, the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure. Before you start your Google search, let me narrow it down for you chief. It’s Rule 55. Have you ever obtained a default judgment against a defendant? If so, you would understand how it works. It’s a fairly straightforward procedure.
I’m sure you are knowledgeable about something, but this topic doesn’t appear to be in your wheelhouse my friend. You should stick to what you know. What’s the expression, “Jackoff of all trades, master of none.” No worries, if I got that wrong, I’m sure you will let me know.
So, in summation, unless you graduated law school with honors, are admitted to practice in three states by examination (this means you have sat for and passed the bar exam in three separate states, as opposed to being admitted by motion, which is far easier), and have practiced in Arizona District Court for more than a decade, I must kindly ask that you refrain from disagreeing with everything I post.
My apologies for derailing the thread, but in the words of my three year old “He started it.”
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well then I would counter counter sue your counter sue on basis that my praise of the fleshlight is in fact a rightful factual claim and your innappropriate usage of a tenga egg as a buttplug is not any fault of mine, to which, on or about this day
You guys make me laugh. This whole sexual fetish is way off topic, but hopefully you two can continue it on another thread....
Tag to see where this one goes.
Why don't you use Thread Tools -> Subscribe to this Thread option (found at the top of the thread header) and save yourself the inconvenience of having to post dummy messages to keep the thread "tagged"? This way the threads you care about will be in your Subscribed threads list, and you could go check them at your convenience any time.
Smith Enterprises, Inc. Suing over a forum post.
AMF,
I don't respond to Internet Trolls who post personal attacks, except to tell them to go away.
Go away.
I was simply flagging your posts for what they were, to alert the membership to someone who is polluting the Thread by playing pretend.
And, BTW, Arizona law does not apply.
AMF,
I don't respond to Internet Trolls who post personal attacks, except to tell them to go away.
Go away.
I was simply flagging your posts for what they were, to alert the membership to someone who is polluting the Thread by playing pretend.
And, BTW, Arizona law does not apply.
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Perhaps it's the shots I'm getting for my "low T"
Seriously, it's like telling someone that 1 + 1 = 2 only to have that person turn around and try to argue the point with you.I am not certain why you continue to try to engage me. I am the only one that isn’t playing pretend. Having practiced civil litigation in state and federal court in Arizona for more than a decade, I am fairly confident that I know what I am talking about. It appears that you have no intention of sharing with anyone the basis for your expertise on this particular topic, if any.
randoman5 - I saw your comments before they were removed. I appreciate the comments.
If this lawsuit stands for SEI, can they then sue the posters in this thread who are taking shots at them about the original lawsuit? This could be the legal battle that keeps on giving.
File a lawsuit about people talking about on the Internet. Wait until there is more people talking about the original lawsuit and sue them as well. I should have been a lawyer!
File a lawsuit about people talking about on the Internet. Wait until there is more people talking about the original lawsuit and sue them as well. I should have been a lawyer!
