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Loads for 30-06

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Anyone given the 210 or 220 SMKs a try in the 06? I know your in Winmag and larger magnums, but I have seen guys shoe-horn the 208s into a .308. Think the trajectory will be like the Arch in St. Louis or would it actually stabilize in a 1/10 24" barrel. Figure a combo with some RL25 or H1000, think its doable or a waste of time?
 
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Don't have a Hornady manual since I rarely use Hornady stuff. I do however want to try some 178 Amaxes in an 06 and a 300 win mag. Would someone be so kind as to give me the 30-06 max OAL using 178's and also for 300win mag using 178's?

I like to start with the max and work back.

Thanks
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MontanaMarine</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Loaded up some moly'd 225gr Hornady BTHP in the 30-06.

54gr RL17, 2620 fps from 22.5" bbl, sub-moa. </div></div>

Sounds like a good load. Have you stretched it out?

BTW, how temp stable is RL-17 proving to be?
 
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"As Issued" 1942 CMP M1 Garand with 150 Gr sierra's and 41Gr of Varget shoots at about 1.5 inches at 100. Its a nice light load thats easy to shoot and doesnt kill your shoulder.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: REELDOC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Don't have a Hornady manual since I rarely use Hornady stuff. I do however want to try some 178 Amaxes in an 06 and a 300 win mag. Would someone be so kind as to give me the 30-06 max OAL using 178's and also for 300win mag using 178's?

I like to start with the max and work back.

Thanks </div></div>

I can't speak for the max OAL on the 30-06 with a 178 AMAX but I load that bullet in lake city surplus brass with a FGM 210 primer, 56.5 gr of IMR 4350 to 3.385 OAL which by my estimation is just off the lands of my rifle. Using a ballistics software I am getting about 2775-2800 FPS and can consistently ring steel to 770 yards. I developed the load when it was in the 60-70 temp range and have shot it in 90+ degree heat and the powder has been remarkably stable. YMMV
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LOBO</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MontanaMarine</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Loaded up some moly'd 225gr Hornady BTHP in the 30-06.

54gr RL17, 2620 fps from 22.5" bbl, sub-moa. </div></div>

Sounds like a good load. Have you stretched it out?

BTW, how temp stable is RL-17 proving to be? </div></div>


I've shot it to 1200 yards. Shoots to BC .710.

Temp wise, It seems to be similar to RL22. Roughly 1 fps per degree. 2740 at 80F, 2640 at -20F.
 
Re: Loads for 30-06

Remington Brass
CCI LRM primer
54.5gr. RL-17
Barnes 175gr. LRX
3.340 OAL
2780fps out of a 22" barrel, this load puts the smackdown on anything.
 
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I haven't had much time to work on my '06 loads but I am still working with the 208 A-Max and 215 Hybrid. Anyone load the 230 Hybrid to see what kind of results you can get?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bhobbs</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I haven't had much time to work on my '06 loads but I am still working with the 208 A-Max and 215 Hybrid. Anyone load the 230 Hybrid to see what kind of results you can get? </div></div>

I tried the 230's with Bergers recommended load for RL-19, velocity was so low out of my 22" barrel I just stopped, it wasn't worth it imo. I think I got a bit over 2300fps or something like that.
 
Re: Loads for 30-06

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rusty815</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bhobbs</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I haven't had much time to work on my '06 loads but I am still working with the 208 A-Max and 215 Hybrid. Anyone load the 230 Hybrid to see what kind of results you can get? </div></div>

I tried the 230's with Bergers recommended load for RL-19, velocity was so low out of my 22" barrel I just stopped, it wasn't worth it imo. I think I got a bit over 2300fps or something like that. </div></div>

Is that due to barrel length, case capacity or both?
 
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Probably a combination of both. If I remember correctly Berger listed a bit over 2400fps with a 26" barrel, so the numbers match up. If you want a good long range round, stick with the 180-210gr. range.
 
Re: Loads for 30-06

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rusty815</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Probably a combination of both. If I remember correctly Berger listed a bit over 2400fps with a 26" barrel, so the numbers match up. If you want a good long range round, stick with the 180-210gr. range. </div></div>

Yeah planning on running the 215 hybrids but was interested in seeing any results with the 230s.
 
Re: Loads for 30-06

Winchester brass
CCI 250
59.5 gr RL-22
Berger 210
2.651" to ogive measured with hornady gauge
2765 out of the factory 24" tube
1/2 MOA if I do my part, flat primer but easy bolt lift
Puts the hurting on the AR plate and hopefully a big buck soon as well
Only 27.5 MOA to reach 1k
 
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When I started this thread I forgot one piece of info, related to COAL but more important (IMO). We all know that every rifle is somewhat different, so what distance from the lands are you guys going with.

In the last year, I have found that I can get almost duplicate results with 175SMK's and 178Amax's buy using the same charge weight. However to get them closer in accuracy the 178's are around .010 off the lands, and the 175's are in the .020ish range. Anyone else getting results like this? If so, what are you fining your particular load favors?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Outlaw45</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Anybody shooting 180 sgk and H4350? </div></div>
Try 57grs. Should work very well for you.
 
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I posted in the main Reloading section about using the OCW. Looks like 56.0-56.7 and maybe 58.7 is good.
 
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Rl-17 or RL-22

I'm seeing people play with RL-17 in the 30-06 I have been told theres to much air gap (it's even been said in this thread)

But I can get 8lb of RL-17 pretty cheap I'm just wondering what you guys have found when trying to push projectiles in the range of 190-210gr?


Should I just stick with RL 22 ?

Is RL-17 better suited to heavier projectiles ?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dbateman&#153;</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Rl-17 or RL-22

I'm seeing people play with RL-17 in the 30-06 I have been told theres to much air gap (it's even been said in this thread)

But I can get 8lb of RL-17 pretty cheap I'm just wondering what you guys have found when trying to push projectiles in the range of 190-210gr?


Should I just stick with RL 22 ?

Is RL-17 better suited to heavier projectiles ?</div></div>


The bottom line with RE-17 is that it provides additional velocity but is not temp stable and large SD's. At long range the vertical dispersion cancels the gains in velocity. I gave it a good run in F Class matches and UKD ranges and burned over 5 lb of it and I'll be moving on to something more consistent. I'm working with H4350 ext now.
 
Re: Loads for 30-06

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dbateman&#153;</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks Vinconco


I'll stay with RL-22 or may have a look around and see what else I can find in AU. </div></div>

RE-22 is just as temp sensitive as RE-17. Depending on the type of LR shooting you do, temp sensitive powders could be a problem. My focus is on UKD (unknown distance) which requires consistent velocities over a wide temp range so I sacrifice velocity for consistancy. Good luck Dave
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Outlaw45</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Anybody shooting 180 sgk and H4350?</div></div>

I use 56 grs of H4350 under a 175 gr Sierra MK. It's worked great to 1,000 yards. Hodgdon list the minimum @ 55 grs and the maximum @ 59 grs.

They show the 180 gr SPBT & H4350 as a minimum @ 52 grs and the maximum @ 57.5 grs.
 
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Any data on 215 Hybrids vs 208 A-Max with RE-22?
 
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Anyone have any luck with H4831sc using 165/168 Ballistic Tips??? I'm having a heck of a time fine tuning a load. I want to stay with this powder as I have lots of it. Would I be bettre off with some heavier 180 Ballistic Tips???

Thanks in advance.

Bill
 
The best deer/antelope LR coyote load in my Savage 22"bbl 30-06 is:
125g sierra jsp OR the 125g nosler HBT, 54g Varget, cci200, 3.160: col, 3159 fps & just out flattens that game.
They both print in right at .540"-640" @ 100 yds, dead on at 200 in my set up & 14" low at 400yds.
This is w/LC / WW/Rem brass, dont make a difference w/ that load.
 
Bhobbs said:
Any data on 215 Hybrids vs 208 A-Max with RE-22?
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Anyone? I am trying to decide if I should stick with the A-Max or switch to the 215 Hybrid. I have a few hundred 208s and 100 215s.
 
mb3 said:
Why no RL 19? Isn't good for medium weight bullet, say 155 through 175?
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I have been experimenting with both RL-19 and RL-22. My testing is going well with both powders, but RL-22 has the edge for me in getting better velocities with lower max pressures. I can send the same or faster, and have a bit more cushion before I approach the pressure problem areas. I am using Quick-Load for calculations before going to the range to actually test. The range testing is showing the computer calculations to be pretty close.... I am using the heavier bullets in this work up. From what I have seen in the calculation phase, RL-19 is a decent choice for the lower weight bullets, as in 150-178gr. I wouldn't hesitate to try it out.
 
Sniper Uncle said:
I have been experimenting with both RL-19 and RL-22. My testing is going well with both powders, but RL-22 has the edge for me in getting better velocities with lower max pressures. I can send the same or faster, and have a bit more cushion before I approach the pressure problem areas. I am using Quick-Load for calculations before going to the range to actually test. The range testing is showing the computer calculations to be pretty close.... I am using the heavier bullets in this work up. From what I have seen in the calculation phase, RL-19 is a decent choice for the lower weight bullets, as in 150-178gr. I wouldn't hesitate to try it out.
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Thank you this is very interesting information. The heaviest bullet I load in my 30 06 is the 175 gr SMK. My 1903A4 really like this bullet pushed by RL19. My RL19 load fills the case very well and is accurate, but I have not tried RL22 (yet).
 
I got my stick a few days ago from the smith and did some load testing yesterday. Rifle is a Blue printed Remmy with a 22.5 inch M24 1/10 Rock with a Obermyer chamber. Temp was 63 and elevation is just under 800 ASL. I started with 57.6 RL-22 in a Winny case, zeroed with this load and worked up to 60 grains. I ran out of time and I didn't get to shoot the 60.0 charge. 58.4 produced the best groups and I think the speed was right at 2755, I don't have my notes with me but the 58.4 load produced three 1/4 moa 5 shot groups that was centered. I didn't touch the turrets after zeroing with the 57.6 load. I also didn't see any significant increase invelocity while working up. The 59.1 and 59.4 charges produced speeds right at 2800-2825 FPS but was not as accurate as the 58.4 load and they were shooting about 3/4 MOA and shifted 1/4 moa right.

I am going out again to test 58.4 at 300 yards against the 59.4 and I will shoot the 60.0 load at 100 yards just to see how it will group and to clock the speed. I was hoping to find a load that would shoot a little hotter but maybe I will still get there as the barrel breaks in. Btw I was using a 190 CC.


ETA I shot the 60 grain load and it was every bit as accurate as the 58.4. I forgot the chrony but I am sure velocity was at 2850 judging by the other loads' speed. I did'n t get to the 300 yard range today but maybe next week....
 
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I'm interested in H4831sc load results as well. Any one have any suggestions, I'm sitting on about 6 lbs. of it. Plan on using a 185 grn. Berger out of a 26 inch 10 twist.
 
Finally got some H4350 to work up 180gr. TTSX hunting loads for 24" 1x10 Krieger 30-06. Accuracy using FC brass was sub-MOA@100yds. so basic load looks very promising. Load data says 57.5gr. generates 49,300 CUP. A quick thermal stability check of this H4350 load at -10F & +135F looks extremely good which is what I was looking for with this propellant. Water-shot expansion tests of the 180gr. TTSX bullet from 1867 FPS up to 2834 FPS were impressive. Will work on finding optimum COAL/reducing ES as time allows.

180gr. TTSX over/57.5gr H4350 in FC brass with 200 primer@ 3.350" COAL:

2803/2800/2833/2836/2812: Average MV 2819 FPS with ES of 36 FPS

2834 FPS at +135 Degrees F:
2822 FPS at -10 Degrees F:
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12 FPS difference in MV over 145 Degrees F


 
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Just in case anyone is interested, I plan on testing some loads with 185 Bergers and H4831sc from 59.5 grns to 61.5 grns in.5 increments. Hoping to drive them in the 2800 range.
 
Im going to try h4350 with the 190s next. I just hope i can keep th around 2800 fps and tighten things up some...
 
Winny said:
Just in case anyone is interested, I plan on testing some loads with 185 Bergers and H4831sc from 59.5 grns to 61.5 grns in.5 increments. Hoping to drive them in the 2800 range.
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Last year I ran 57grs H4350 in Winchester case with 185 vld's. Speeds hoovered around 2810 fps in 24" barrel. I know H4350 is scarcity, but if you have some try it out!

I'm currently using Ramshot Hunter, 208 amax, Lapua brass, and pushing them around 2700 fps. Its a max load for sure, so I'll see how it does on the brass. So far I have 3 loadings and holding, time will tell. If it don't work out, maybe H4831 or RL22 next.
 
Well, I ran the 185's up to 61.5 grains of H4831sc in Hornandy brass with no signs of pressure and very nice recoil. The best looking group was with 60 grains even though at 100 yards.
 
Going through all the posts I am amazed that no one has mentioned VV N160. I have had some awesome results with this powder comparing it side by side with H4350 and pills in the 170's and plan to expand my development with it into the heavier weights where I think it will excel the most since it is a little slower burning than 4350 is.

I would encourage you guys to try it if you can ever find a pound on the shelf- which seems to be a real limiting factor for it at the moment. The accuracy it delivered was really impressive.
 
Win Brass
Win Primers
168 Berger Classic Hunter
Coal 3320
47 GRS IMR 4895
Going to play around with some H414,I hear its a great powder for the 06
 
Late 60's BDL 06
REM.brass
Fed.210m
Hornady 178's
52gr Hybrid V-100
COL:3.225
muve4amy.jpg

Still need to fine tune....

Sent from my SCH-I605 using Tapatalk
 
Did I miss it, or was there really NO Varget loads!?!? I had one worked up with Hornady 150SPs, but I've lost my log. Will have to work up again.

wake me up when the nightmare is gone..(2016 I hope)
 
I have very good luck with 56.3 RL 19 and 175 SMK. I load them long about .02 off the lands.The fly at about 2642 fps out of my 1903A4.
 
My standard 30.06 Load is a 190 SMK with 53.7 gns of IMR 4350.
In Laupa, Win, LC, or FC cases this load shots sub MOA at 300 yards. AV is 2740 from a HS Precision HTR 2000 with a 26 inch 10X barrel.
 
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