By the way, where is this 6.5 centimeter round? Hook me up with that shit.[/QUOTE]
Kinda funny, I guess they never realized cm stands for "C"reed"M"oor.
R
Kinda funny, I guess they never realized cm stands for "C"reed"M"oor.
R
but really we would like the 2 1/2 incher
Ah, of course. That's where I heard it. The "Fargo" movie accent. "Alrighty then. You betcha!"
So if we're done on Rex, can we start on James Yeager?
You missed the entire point try again...
This was not even an issue on Scout as bad as it is everywhere else. Shooting is a sport is it not ? Why not to open it up to mainstream sports. What do you think 3GUN Nation does, they are on NBC Sports.
Here is not the problem.
You missed the entire point try again...
This was not even an issue on Scout as bad as it is everywhere else. Shooting is a sport is it not ? Why not to open it up to mainstream sports. What do you think 3GUN Nation does, they are on NBC Sports.
Here is not the problem.
When dealing with Facebook or Youtube, one should make the assumption that everyone that comments is emotionally immature and intellectually retarded unless they are known or their words prove otherwise.
Well, there is the double edged sword. Right? The moron that insulted lowlight was probably practicing this philosophy.
You go on some huge rant HERE about what ignorant people are supposedly saying somewhere else like your FB page? Why not go on rant where the problem is? Kind of hard to fix a problem that exists at one point, when you are talking about it at another.
Sorry, but there is no shortage of ignorant $#!@ being posted here on a daily basis. Which caliber, which scope, which rifle, same freaking questions posted here on a continual basis. Per your own comments, "brand x is better than brand y", no "brand y is better than brand x". And last but not least, nothing like some of the wonderful LE bashing topics that frequently go on here for pages with no one being banned. If I really need to site examples, it would not be hard to find plenty of them.
Shooting my be a sport, but there is nothing sporting about being a Sniper. If you want to focus on discussing "mainstream shooting topics" then you might want to rename the website. Of course if that is also the case, then that would pretty much nullify you as a subject matter expert, because last time I checked you were the master of sniping, not general sports shooting like 3 Gun.
Huge problem, which you eluded to, is people who shoot a local or PRS match, but have never served a day as a LE or MIL sniper, and are all of a sudden qualified to comment on what Snipers should be doing. There have been some epic topics here on what platform or caliber actual snipers should be using with a ton of comments from people who have never actually served as a sniper.
Until there is some form of qualification and separation here, there will be problems here, because if you have not been there and done that, then you are not really qualified to comment on it.
I get talking about things like the PRS matches here, but once again, the people who should be commenting/discussing topics like that, should be qualified to do so.
Going back to the big picture issue that you brought up, learning should occur first with your eyes & ears. Until you have covered the basics/fundamentals, your mouth (or fingers on a key board) should not come into play. Unfortunately too many people don't get that concept, they will spend little to no time reading, and will immediately jump on the keyboard.
Once again, I am about trying to raise the level of quality here, I could honestly care less about how many members are posting. “I’d rather go down the river with seven studs than with a hundred $!@#heads” – Colonel Charlie Beckwith. I would rather have a handful of qualified people posting quality material here, than having countless posts of worthless BS by a large number of people.
Just my 2 cents, which as the HMFIC you can obviously disregard.
Keep in mind that we're relatively a VERY small subset of gun enthusiasts on the internet. WE know who Lowlight is, however if you're not on this forum or in "the industry" you may very well not have any idea of his creds and qualifications.
If you didn't know GAP rifles, which lets face it, most shooters in America don't, then a video from George Gardner doesn't mean anything to you on the interwebs. Does that in any way mean that he isn't extraordinarily qualified? Of course not, but with the saturation of gurus online, how the fuck is the average shooter supposed to decipher the real deals from the mall ninjas? A friend of mine comes to me at least once a week to tell me that he saw a review of "x" rifle on YouTube and "the guy says it's a tack driver, so that may be my next purchase". I've given up.
Shit, I got off track. Real simple: of course LL is an authority in this discipline, but how do the average guys searching the web for knowledge know that?
If I am researching and am doubting someone's credentials... If I can use google to find the subject I want to research, I can use google to investigate their credentials. Ex: Frank's is not hard to find. It's the researcher's job to know their source, not the source's job to tell each researcher, one by one, who they are. I get what you are saying, but nothing is owed to the researcher by the source, especially if the researcher doubts their source. They can move along to the next source, and, besides guidance and training others being Frank's and others livelihood, he shouldn't give a shit if someone doesn't believe what he has to say because he is fully confident in himself.
Keep in mind that we're relatively a VERY small subset of gun enthusiasts on the internet. WE know who Lowlight is, however if you're not on this forum or in "the industry" you may very well not have any idea of his creds and qualifications.
If you didn't know GAP rifles, which lets face it, most shooters in America don't, then a video from George Gardner doesn't mean anything to you on the interwebs. Does that in any way mean that he isn't extraordinarily qualified? Of course not, but with the saturation of gurus online, how the fuck is the average shooter supposed to decipher the real deals from the mall ninjas? A friend of mine comes to me at least once a week to tell me that he saw a review of "x" rifle on YouTube and "the guy says it's a tack driver, so that may be my next purchase". I've given up.
Shit, I got off track. Real simple: of course LL is an authority in this discipline, but how do the average guys searching the web for knowledge know that?
The solution is obvious. Frank needs acolytes!
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The solution is obvious. Frank needs acolytes!
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Isn't that what this place is for?
And that video brought back memories of a full day in Bali with a Hare Krishna event going on up the beach. Even the Balinese were ready to perforate their own ear drums. Im all for embracing the local culture, but for the love of Brahma, Shiva, and Vishnu enough can be enough.
Sat Nam
I googled that and still not sure I'm making the full connection. Is that the name of that festival I had to endure?
This site was never about promoting just "Sniping" and nothing in the description of this site eludes to be so niche it is all military based. The Military learns more from the civilian side of shooting than the military side. Teaching marksmanship in the military is full of errors. I just happen to have a military background which most people running shooting sites like this one lacked at the time. You never saw a series of mine on YouTube called "Sniper 101" yet I don't see you asking WTF over that... especially coming from a guy that wasn't a sniper.
Your Opinion has been noted, and will be filed in the appropriate recycling bin.
In this case, it might also be a shrouded reference to Sikhi.
http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Satnam
LR, the only problem with your post is you are wanting an elite message board. The site is gear oriented and civilians buy most of that shit. You should not be surprised that the fucked up civilian world is predominantly represented. It is what it is by design. The Centerions are actually the minority. If you want COIN then that is fine but with that you have to include the civilian that is interested in your expertise. Your profession benefits no different than Mrs. Culpeper benefits when I watch soft porn on Skinamax.
I (and others) want a Forum where we don't have to wade through countless pages of useless $#!@. Which believe or not, was what Frank was also bitching about!
I don't give a $#!@ who posts, MIL, LE, CIV, as long as they bring true value to the Forum. How do you know if they are going to bring value, you vet them before you allow them to post. What credentials do you need, anything that shows that you can contribute value.
Per my earlier post, I get that "numbers equals dollars", but I also get that quantity doesn't equal quality.
I didn't start a topic about the quality of people posting, or the quality of the material they posted, Frank did.
But when I called a Spade a Spade, some people can handle the reality of that, others can't.
LR clearly has a reading problem
This was not about "Here" I said that more than once. This is about places like YouTube and Facebook, and the Rex thing as he put is actually part of the original comment as his minions are a big part of the people questioning that they see. They compared everything to "Sniper 101" because most don't know better.
The history of this board is clear, it's been around since 2000. The 2 years at Scout vs the 15 years on it's own hardly define it. If you choose to define me or this place based on Scout you're fucked up.
I think LR has a lot of stupid points based on ignorance of what this place is, or how this place has operated in the past. Much revisionist history in his BS.
The rant was about other places online not here, because the information posted here and then shared on other platforms don't get the same reactions.
You don't sound very happy here.
Perhaps you should put up your own money, set up your own website, and run it the the way you think a website should be run?
So I'm not against LRShooter at all, but I do have to ask because of the way your posts are worded; are you that guy that gnashes his teeth and loses his mind when non .mil people want to discuss things like loophole shooting, SUT, true platform capabilities and things of that nature because you somehow think these are vital .mil only things and how dare anyone expose this on the internet?
The reason you're bringing this all up on this site is simple - there's nowhere else to go. What are you going to do, head over to 24 hour campfire? AR15 precision board? M4C where you better fill out your profile!? Nope. This is it; make the best of it.
MIL & CIV, your preaching to the Choir,
Our Cadre for our Sniper School includes MIL, LE, and Civ Instructors. Why, because they all bring something to the table. You ready for this, we actually have a Meteorologist go over a block of instruction on reading weather patterns, followed by a civilian that coaches International Level Shooting Teams who covers a block on reading wind. Why, because they know their $#!@ way better than anyone else, and they add value to the class that only they can bring. Our school is also open to both MIL & LE Snipers, because once again each group can learn something from the other. We have no pretense as to who should participate, if they can bring true value to the process, they are welcome.
Personally, I have been to as many CIV training programs as I have been to MIL training programs. I have participated in MIL & LE based competitions, as well as shooting in CIV/NRA based competitions.
If you are any type of "Precision Long Range Shooter" and you think that one group (MIL, LE, or CIV) has all of the answers, then you are an ignorant SOB.
LR, I have been down this road with with lowlight way before you. You need to be responding directly to lowlight and not indirectly through me. Say what you need to say and take your thirty days to have some time to think about it. Be a man about it. We all have before you. You can't be first but you can be next. But I will give you a pointer. Say what you need to say but don't hammer fuck his work. He will burn that bridge.
I just went through the last 50 topics posted, breakdown as follows:
30 Topics - WTB/WTS
06 Topics - Goofy Crap/Pit or Maggie's
06 Topics - What should I buy?
04 Topics - Misc/Random
04 Topics - Legit Tech Topic or Question
Looking at those numbers, 4-8 topics out of 50 had some form of substance to them. Yes that is a small sample, and yes those numbers may change to some degree, but from what I routinely see the really substantive topics are probably around 10%-15% of what is being posted. Yes, I also acknowledge the value of the WTB/WTS topics, but from the standpoint that they benefit a limited group.