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    Interesting read here. My question/suggestion is "There are millions of un employed, under educated people living in the inner cities. Many are, rightfully, in dispair because there are no local jobs. Why not start a CCC type program to move them to where the jobs are rather thn bringing in immigrants? Seems logical to me...mkaybe thats the problem, no logic any more.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/df227d...dd528fba7/ss_trump-says-american-workers.html
     
    Maybe your assumption is incorrect Maggot.

    You are assuming that these people want to work versus being given handouts. It is really time that they are no longer given the option to choose.
    Nik, thats exactly what I meant. Stop the handouts and offer them a job...or starve.
     
    Stats tout almost total theoretical employment right now.

    I dont believe it.

    I think the last 16 years created a giant class of people that have learned not to work and yet survive.

    Many of these people were once workers, Not the people with mental health issues that choose not to or are incapable of working, but through rationalized choice, drug use, being sold educations with no marketable value or conditioned apathy now choose not to work.

    It will take awhile to work this through if we ever do.

    I live in an area that I can still enjoy works completed by the CCC.

    CCC as an aside provided the country with a large population of people accustomed to institutional life when the military needed to draw upon the population for WWII.
     
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    This should happen, bring back the CCC but that’s going to involve a big change in a lot of different areas of entitlement. Most the street bums pegging for cash at the intersections I see are working age 20 something s, that ought to be outlawed also.
     
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    And that needs to end. Now, or even yesterday. There will be a lot of screaming but in the long run a good thing.

    I think a portion of people on welfare would take jobs if doing so did not mean total loss of all benefits.

    Our system punishes them for working now.

    Make it so that if their welfare benefits equal $35K and they take work for $25K Uncle Sam makes up the $10K net savings $25K.

    Than people may take the starter job and eventually move themselves into independence.

    Downside is if they are working they may be concerned about where taxes get spent and wont be available on the first Tuesday after a Monday in November to be handed a filled in ballot and free ride to the polling station to drop it off.
     
    Agreed. During my time serving warrants in the projects, one thing became clear, many wouldn't take a job as a taste tester in a pie factory.


    thats exactly it.

    a CCC camp? boy, sounds like a great idea, but are you allowed to beat people these days?
    did something change?
    at least by me, there is so much work for everyone, regardless of job quals, pigs still wont work.
    i have a sign out for employment now as a matter of fact, 3 days now and not one inquire...but yet bums galour

    possibly, to fill these labor spots, we could use non violent prisoners in a bootcamp setting, a notch down from chain gangs...

    but to find work for the welfare slobs, fuck em, load them on a bus and drive them off a cliff
     
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    This is nothing new.
    Long ago in the 50's-60's when the New steel Mills were being built in NW Indiana an just across the line in Chicago IL this same thing played out. The mills went into all areas an was offering $5.00+ hr to start plus they would provide bus transportation to an from. The bulk of the people they tried to employ said they would not work for $2.00 per hr, as they were getting the equivalent of $3.00 from welfare an food allowance. Yet they lived in shacks, but they had TV's an caddys parked out front. When you pay people of any color to be sorry they will never disappoint you. Best way to stop it is quit paying them, no work, no food. I'd feed the kids until 14 an after that cut them off as well. If I could start work on a farm at 8yo, they can get off they lazy ass. I'm tired of being a slave to them thru legalized theft, aka taxes. You don't want to work, live in a ditch I don't care, but this system of forcing me to provide for them is pure B/S. I have no issue helping those that need help, but system gamer's, an those that force me to support that shit are but one in the same, to me.
     
    Reminds me of something an old man Aesop wrote a few thousand years ago concerning a Grasshopper and an Ant.

    Have you noted that these days in the "modern" teaching of that story to the kids the ant invites the grasshopper into his house and shares his food.
     
    So you want them to work for nothing?


    Hey look you got the bright idea to give them jobs. How about you take your money and start a business in those areas that employs them? If it is such a great idea use your money to do it. I am sick of people asking for more of my money for their impractical nitwit utopian fantasies. It's your fantasy put your money behind it.
     
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    I've offered bums on the corner a job with a place to stay and have been refused every time.

    Have ran into folks on the "street" in Chicago.
    Offered to buy them lunch instead of a handout, never had one take me up on it.
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    A short story that happened in Sarasota just 10 years ago. My parents had a house built in a nice area with 5-10 acre plots. The developer, a retired farmer, needed fencing throughout the development. He had the equipment and materials, but needed some temporary labor to set the posts and fencing. So he headed down to the interstate ramps and into town at high traffic intersections with a crew cab and told every one of them that had a sign saying "Will Work for Food" to hop in and he would not only feed them two hot meals but would also pay them $10/hr for the day. Given little choice, especially since he was of strong character, many did so. He had a tractor with a post hole attachment and a bucket, so most of the heaviest work was done by machine. He worked them for an 8 hour day, fed them two hearty hot meals, dropped them back off where they said they stayed and they all agreed to meet him again the next day.

    Big surprise! The next day, there wasn't a single panhandler to be found in those areas. So he went down 75 to the next intersection and did the same thing. After three days, wherein he accomplished most of the work, there wasn't a single person panhandling in a 20 mile radius that he could find. Now nobody even bothers with the "Will Work for Food" signs. They've smartened up and know that somebody just might call their bluff.
     
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    A short story that happened in Sarasota just 10 years ago. My parents had a house built in a nice area with 5-10 acre plots. The developer, a retired farmer, needed fencing throughout the development. He had the equipment and materials, but needed some temporary labor to set the posts and fencing. So he headed down to the interstate ramps and into town at high traffic intersections with a crew cab and told every one of them that had a sign saying "Will Work for Food" to hop in and he would not only feed them two hot meals but would also pay them $10/hr for the day. Given little choice, especially since he was of strong character, many did so. He had a tractor with a post hole attachment and a bucket, so most of the heaviest work was done by machine. He worked them for an 8 hour day, fed them two hearty hot meals, dropped them back off where they said they stayed and they all agreed to meet him again the next day.

    Big surprise! The next day, there wasn't a single panhandler to be found in those areas. So he went down 75 to the next intersection and did the same thing. After three days, wherein he accomplished most of the work, there wasn't a single person panhandling in a 20 mile radius that he could find. Now nobody even bothers with the "Will Work for Food" signs. They've smartened up and know that somebody just might call their bluff.
    Old Farm Smart is often hard to beat.
    This guy had it in spades.

    R
     
    I learned at an early age not to give money to panhandlers. My dad would go to McD's in DC and get a few hamburgers and try and pass them to the first few bums he could find, most would refuse and some would get hostile. He made his point.
     
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    We've got one that works the mall area of Brandon.
    The first time I encountered him, he was asking for spare change to take the bus into Tampa to see his sister in Tampa General hospital. He said he didn't own a car.
    I politely declined.

    I ran into him again the next day across the street and he needed money to repair his car that's been broke down...
    I pointed out that he asked for money the previous day to see his sister in the hospital and that he mentioned not owning a car.
    I asked if he bought one overnight.
    He just shuffled off.

    A few years roll by and I encountered him again on Christmas day doing the child swap thingy.
    This time he's a vet and is down on his luck.
    Rebecca's dumb assed ex gave him $20 and wished him well.
    What a fucktard.

    I wonder how much he made on Christmas hanging out at Starbucks?
     
    I learned at an early age not to give money to panhandlers. My dad would go to McD's in DC and get a few hamburgers and try and pass them to the first few bums he could find, most would refuse and some would get hostile. He made his point.

    Panhandleing my ass, call it what it is, 'Begging".

    I saw one 'begging' and he was smoking cigarettes. Told him if he could afford cigs he didnt need my money.

    I never give them a dime because they head straight for the cheap wine or beer.

    I tell them I give mine to the Salvation Army and they can find a hot and a cot there.
     
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    I work in construction as a commercial construction superintendent, we have so much work in Texas nobody can keep up and every sub cracting company has more inexperienced workers that I car for. I built a large hooters in downtown Fort Worth last summer and tried paying inner city guys honest money for simple work to plug holes left in scope of work gaps the Pre con managers left open. I had probably 30 different guys or more come through and only one that was worth a shit. Every single other one I had I didn’t want back as I couldn’t get any decent work out of them no matter how easy I made it. I deal with a lot of migrant workers more than anything and some are smart some are dum or utterly fucking stupid but they always show up and always work pretty hard.....sometimes I have to have them do shit 2 or 3 times to get it right but they rarely act so worthless that I am forced to kick them off the site or tell them to never come back. The first group I mentioned is comprised of mostly black guys and a few white guys from time to time but they all turn out about the same....

    What’s funny is I was a driller from the time I left the marine corps in 2006 till the second crash the end of 2014. Then I got a job as a day laborer sweeping construction sites and in 8 months I was a superintendent building a 25,000 square foot tilt wall facility with design and manufacturing spaces. With no hookups and connections going into it I did it out of busting my balls and making a good showing till a superintendent took notice and the rest is history. As far as I can tell people that are in there shit status are of their own making. Now there are always some exceptions but I’d give it 95% of them just aren’t worth a fuck and don’t have the will to apply themselves
     
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    Anyone who owns a business can tell you its hard to get help, and harder to get good help. I'm in a rural area, not much in the way of jobs, and most of those jobs you have to work at, not push a pencil. Can't put a crew together for shit, 75% will quit in 2 weeks (if not sooner), 80% don't have a goddamn drivers license, and 95% don't have the sense God gave a fucking hammer. There are jobs out there. Not everyone wants a job.
     
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    Anyone who owns a business can tell you its hard to get help, and harder to get good help. I'm in a rural area, not much in the way of jobs, and most of those jobs you have to work at, not push a pencil. Can't put a crew together for shit, 75% will quit in 2 weeks (if not sooner), 80% don't have a goddamn drivers license, and 95% don't have the sense God gave a fucking hammer. There are jobs out there. Not everyone wants a job.

    Kaboom. Buddy of mine runs a landscaping company. He pays $14-$15 per hour to start and cant get loccal workers. He will even pay re location bonus and cant find anyone.

    He's trying now to get a bunch of greencard Latiino's through the state employment agency.

    You really shouldnt insult hammers like that.
     
    Covered up in construction work and really, really need two more crews. Getting new tractors is no problem, but can't find operators that will show up everyday and can pass a drug test. A good operator will see $25 / hr + in their check. Anyone that wants a job has one and stealing someone else's people can get complicated. GPS and machine control will get better til no operators are needed.
     
    Covered up in construction work and really, really need two more crews. Getting new tractors is no problem, but can't find operators that will show up everyday and can pass a drug test. A good operator will see $25 / hr + in their check. Anyone that wants a job has one and stealing someone else's people can get complicated. GPS and machine control will get better til no operators are needed.

    What would help is if our education system changed emphasis from taking care of teachers to preparing kids to be productive in the real world.

    Now the emphasis is on sending EVERY kid to college so Elizabeth Warren can suck up $300K/year with lifetime tenure teaching one class.

    This system gives us dumb college grads and people with no skills.

    Provide kids with the interest in the trades access to good trades education and let those kids with the aptitude for college to get challenging classes to prepare them for college.

    This is resisted against because the pool for college (assuming we have the admission requirements of 15 years ago, not the watered down ones of today) will be smaller than that for the trades. Colleges wont be getting their mass of tuition payers to bloat salaries and endowments. Instead of graduating people with a Masters in Social Justice Warrior they will actually have to provide a marketable education as they compete for bodies.

    What you are seeing was planned to occur some 40 years ago.
     
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    This marks the 39 th year I've been a residential home builder. We use to build 15 to20 custom homes a year, now I build 2 or 3. A big part of the reason is the lack of quality help. There is more demand for quality work now than ever before, last year I turned down over 20 homes. The demand is there, if a young person wanted to learn the trade and do no compromise quality work, he or she would make a very comfortable and satisfying living. Trouble is, it seems that work ethic, pride in ones work, and the tenacity to make your own way and be responsible for your actions is completely lost on the younger generations. As for reasons, we could have discussions for days on end. But the bottom line is, most of the younger generations expect things to be handed to them without hard work. And God forbid they have to sweat and use their hands! Yes there are some energetic hard working younger people, but their the exception not the rule. And they will be successful in any career they choose. So, lack of quality people is a major problem with most business, especially so in the service and construction industries. And I'm afraid it's only going to get worse.
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    An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class. That class had insisted that Obama's socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equaliser.

    The professor then said "Okay, we will have an experiment in this class on Obama's plan". All grades will be averaged and everyone will receive the same grade so no one will fail and no one will receive an A... (substituting grades for dollars - something closer to home and more readily understood by all).

    After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too so they studied little.

    The second test average was a D! No one was happy. When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F.

    As the tests proceeded, the scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else.

    To their great surprise, ALL FAILED and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed.

    These are possibly the 5 best sentences you'll ever read and all applicable to this experiment:

    1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.
    2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
    3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
    4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!
    5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.
     
    Covered up in construction work and really, really need two more crews. Getting new tractors is no problem, but can't find operators that will show up everyday and can pass a drug test. A good operator will see $25 / hr + in their check. Anyone that wants a job has one and stealing someone else's people can get complicated. GPS and machine control will get better til no operators are needed.
    Check you pm