Can you measure the barrel OD at muzzle please?
Curious if this model with manners stock uses a thinner profile barrel since the website says 'heavy' instead of bull.
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Can you measure the barrel OD at muzzle please?
Curious if this model with manners stock uses a thinner profile barrel since the website says 'heavy' instead of bull.
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457 VPT with DIP internals and A419 rail and handle. The scope is a loaner from another gun until the AMG comes in later this month. I really want the scope to be lower so I don't have to add a cheek riser. The Area 419 rail for the 457 has no recoil lug or cross bar in it, time will tell how well it does clamped to the dovetail with nothing mechanically holding it in place. I may just drill and tap this thing later, I am not a fan of bases with grub screws. I got the trigger down to 18oz without any creep, over travel, or slam fires. It's a pretty nice trigger. Very similar to setting up an old 3 screw Remington. I hope to get the atlas rail installed and get out an shoot it tomorrow.
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I took it out to the range this morning, and so far I am not impressed. I shot 100 rounds of CCI SV at 50 and 100yds and it did about 1" at 50yds and 2.5-3" @100yds avg. There were a few acceptable groups, but they weren't the norm and weren't repeatable. Granted this was the first 100 rounds through the gun. I spent the rest of the day shooting 325rds of Federal Automatch and another 200 CCISV at rocks in hopes of smoothing the bore up a little, I have heard these guns may need 4-500 rounds to start shooting to their potential.
On the way home I stopped and got the best ammo we had in town to try tomorrow. I have:
Eley Club
Eley Target
RWS Target Rifle
Federal GMM
Norma match
There is no Lapua or SK locally, but maybe one of these will at least show some promise. I really want to like this gun, It may have to have a better barrel.
ETA: just pulled the gun out of the stock to install an Atlas rail and noticed that the barrel screws were digging into the stock inlet, I relieved this area so they are no longer touching, Don't know if it will make a difference, but it cant hurt.
On the way home I stopped and got the best ammo we had in town to try tomorrow. I have:
Eley Club
Eley Target
RWS Target Rifle
Federal GMM
Norma match
There is no Lapua or SK locally, but maybe one of these will at least show some promise. I really want to like this gun, It may have to have a better barrel.
ETA: just pulled the gun out of the stock to install an Atlas rail and noticed that the barrel screws were digging into the stock inlet, I relieved this area so they are no longer touching, Don't know if it will make a difference, but it cant hurt.
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just a little more info on at least the mtr
I would suggest that you get the red and yellow SK. I think you will be happy with your MTR. I found it to be the best ammo all the way around. I have some Eley that was 14 and 18$ a box of 50 and the SK just out shoots them. I get my ammo delivered to me as the little town I'm in has no selection at all. My MTR shoots just as good as my Annie's do.
I'm getting a AREA 419 bolt knob for my CZ because I would like a something more substantial to grab onto.
The knob below is not what Im getting from 419 but if anybody knows where to get one like this, please let me know. It
needs to have 6mm threads. EDIT: Worse case I can get a threaded bushing of M10 and it has a M6 internal thread. From McMaster Carr.
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Went back out and shot again today, the gun did a little better, still not over the moon about it, but it was windy out there. I shot 5x5 round groups with each ammunition at 50yds, then a 25 round group at 100yds. All Velocity data is per LabRadar.
Eley Target
Avg 1123fps
ES 45
SD 12.3
50yd group avg 0.586"
100yd 25rd group 1.577"
Eley Club
Avg 1108fps
ES 40
SD 11.4
50yd group avg 0.529"
100yd 25rd group 1.765"
Norma Match
Avg 1071fps
ES 57
SD 13.4
50yd group avg 0.608"
100yd 25rd group 2.203"
Federal GMM
Avg 1101fps
ES 44
SD 13.4
50yd group avg 0.512"
100yd 25rd group 2.631"
CCI SV
Avg 1085fps
ES 62
SD 13
50yd group avg 0.606"
100yd 25rd group 2.839"
I just ordered a brick of SK Rifle Match and Lapua Center X to try out, maybe it will like one of them better. I cant wait until my AMG ships from Scott at Liberty Optics, this Viper PST is a POS.
Eley Target
Avg 1123fps
ES 45
SD 12.3
50yd group avg 0.586"
100yd 25rd group 1.577"
Eley Club
Avg 1108fps
ES 40
SD 11.4
50yd group avg 0.529"
100yd 25rd group 1.765"
Norma Match
Avg 1071fps
ES 57
SD 13.4
50yd group avg 0.608"
100yd 25rd group 2.203"
Federal GMM
Avg 1101fps
ES 44
SD 13.4
50yd group avg 0.512"
100yd 25rd group 2.631"
CCI SV
Avg 1085fps
ES 62
SD 13
50yd group avg 0.606"
100yd 25rd group 2.839"
I just ordered a brick of SK Rifle Match and Lapua Center X to try out, maybe it will like one of them better. I cant wait until my AMG ships from Scott at Liberty Optics, this Viper PST is a POS.
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An FYI to you CZ 457 MTR owners ..... for those of you using the factory round ball, please don't. Get an AREA 419 bolt knob for your gun. I'm fairly certain that you will really enjoy the new knob. I did not think that I would care for it, but I was wrong !! It feels and works really well. You will need some heat to get the factory knob off and I used some parallel clamps made of wood to grip the ball. I let the heat soak into the bolt just enough so that it was hotter than I wanted to touch. I did not think that I would like the shape and I don't like knurling on a bolt knob. The knurling is just deep enough to aid in the cycling of the bolt. Well, as form follows function, this thing makes for a great addition to your MTR.
My option to wood clamps would be a thick piece of leather around the ball like a leather belt and some vice grips.
I like the 419 rail as well but.... you really cant view the level while your shooting. I found it to only be of use while mounting the scope.
My option to wood clamps would be a thick piece of leather around the ball like a leather belt and some vice grips.
I like the 419 rail as well but.... you really cant view the level while your shooting. I found it to only be of use while mounting the scope.
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I'm just the guy that has to go backwards if I need to.... lol I'm glad you feel the same way. That little ball was bordering on unpleasant.
I also took the balls off my Annie's and replaced them with DIP knobs. What a difference one small change can make.
Thanks!! This thread has been a good read for me after buying a 457 Lux yesterday. I ordered an Area 419 15 MOA rail and I am trying to decide whether I am buying a new scope for this rifle or taking the NF SHV 4-14x50 F1 I have mounted for my M1A off and using it
I shot 50 rounds of Eley Match at 25 and 50 yards today and for open sights I thought I shot well.
I shot 50 rounds of Eley Match at 25 and 50 yards today and for open sights I thought I shot well.
It just turned out that way. The Shilen I bought was their #5 contour, with a 1.22" dia shank 3" long. I parted the whole shank off, which left the radius transition portion just ahead of the shank. I turned this down to .922", because prior to starting on the bbl job, I'd put the 457 action into a GreTan action fixture, dialed it in, and took a .003" deep cut .924" in diameter to true the receiver face. Of course, I wanted the shoulder of the bbl to set within the trued cut, so I kept it just under that diameter. The new shank turned out to be around 3" long, and made a nice smooth transition into the straight tapered portion of the bbl that ran to .704" at the finished length of 23.5". I had no intentions of re-contouring the full length of the blank, but did put it on a scale to compare its finished weight to that of the OEM American - that's where I came up with the "just over 1/2lb heavier" figure. The rifle is very slightly muzzle heavy now, whereas before, it'd been very nicely balanced. Not a bad trade-off for the improved accuracy IMHO. The groups in the photo aren't anything really spectacular, but the factory bbl was shooting no better than what Travclem is telling us how his Precision Trainer is shooting - maybe worse. Having had the pleasure & privilege of building & owning repeaters built on Stiller, 40X & XB, & V-22 actions, I just couldn't settle for the "splatter" groups out of a rifle that looked as nice as the 457 American. Now I don't have to... I haven't seriously considered replacing the poly pillars with aluminum ones & bedding the bbl'd action in the stock, but it might be a worthwhile project.
UPS delivered another Shilen select match ratchet rifled bbl today - this one is a 28" straight .850" dia blank that's going to replace the factory bbl on my Varmint MTR. Not because that rifle doesn't shoot - it's head & shoulders better than the factory bbl on the American was. But it's not as consistent nor as accurate as the Shilen on the American, and that bugs me no end, so....
ETA - Does anyone have a copy of the file to print these targets? A friend sent the file via email to me several years ago IIRC, but I can't find it, and I'd like to print out a quantity of them for my own use.
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Both versions of the target are in there.
OK.... This is my first group of the day with a CZ 457 MTR that is bone stock except for the YoDave trigger spring kit and an AREA 419 bolt knob and a DIP extended mag release. The new knob makes the MTR a joy to shoot. The trigger is at 9 oz. There is also NO tuner on her. That flyer was all me on about my fourth shot. I'm using SK Standard plus ( yellow box ) It is pretty windy but I was not holding off at all at 64 yards.
I just bought my first .22 Ruger RPRR about 3 months ago and have no experience with powder guns. I did used to shoot Air rifles back in the mid 90s. My point is to show that your MTR will shoot pretty damn well with the correct ammo and good shooting practices. The scope is a 8 x 34 IR Athlon which is OK for the money. I have shot with the wrong ammo and the groups look like trash. Thus far, SK red and yellow have been the best in all 5 of my guns. BTW, this was shot off a Caldwell Tack Driver front rest only, nothing fancy and nothing vise like. The rear was just shouldered.
I currently have two Annies that shoot no better but cost 1150.00 and 1650.00. Both are 1416s with the 5098 six oz triggers.
Sorry this rambles on a bit, being soaked in Morphine and Percocet does nothing for my writing skills.
I should have a Vudoo in my hot little hands by 5/24. I hope that I'm not disappointed in any way given the cost. People assure me that I will be super happy with her as well The last three photos are two air rifles.
I just bought my first .22 Ruger RPRR about 3 months ago and have no experience with powder guns. I did used to shoot Air rifles back in the mid 90s. My point is to show that your MTR will shoot pretty damn well with the correct ammo and good shooting practices. The scope is a 8 x 34 IR Athlon which is OK for the money. I have shot with the wrong ammo and the groups look like trash. Thus far, SK red and yellow have been the best in all 5 of my guns. BTW, this was shot off a Caldwell Tack Driver front rest only, nothing fancy and nothing vise like. The rear was just shouldered.
I currently have two Annies that shoot no better but cost 1150.00 and 1650.00. Both are 1416s with the 5098 six oz triggers.
Sorry this rambles on a bit, being soaked in Morphine and Percocet does nothing for my writing skills.
I should have a Vudoo in my hot little hands by 5/24. I hope that I'm not disappointed in any way given the cost. People assure me that I will be super happy with her as well The last three photos are two air rifles.
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Here’s mine. Haven’t had a chance to shoot it yet but the squirrels are going to be in trouble in the near future...
CZ457 VPT
Lilja .17 HMR barrel 20.5”
Area 419 rail and knob
Seekins medium rings
Athlon Midas Tac 6-24
CZ457 VPT
Lilja .17 HMR barrel 20.5”
Area 419 rail and knob
Seekins medium rings
Athlon Midas Tac 6-24
Hide Challenge Targets - Google Drive
drive.google.com
Hey Tucker301 - Thanks! Now that I've got one printed off that fits std letter-size paper, I can take it with me next time I go to the nearest Staples store & get a hundred or so copies made. They use heavier paper than I have here at home, and besides, I need to get some score sheets copied off for our club's BR Varmint Silhouette matches that I run. I like this target for comparing various lots & grades of ammo at 50yds. Would also like to use it at 100 - plenty of room for writing notes on each target, and eight separate targets on each sheet is usually more than enough to test all the ammo I typically have on hand.
Nice groups for 100 yd.
Good afternoon,
You might want to look into pricing before making the trip to Staples. Last weekend I went to have a bunch of reports printed at OfficeMax and they wanted $.71 a page which I thought was extortion. For targets I print what I need for the day and use a glue stick to paste them on leftover card board from shipping boxes or beer boxes. Little extra work saves a bunch of headache from thinking about paying too much. The corrugated plastic yard sign material works good to paste targets on too. I can reuse it a lot as it seems to 'heal' while leaving nice holes in the paper.
Semper Fidelis,
Aaron
I agree - those would be nice groups for 100yds....but they were shot at 50yds while doing the initial testing of different ammo in the Shilen. I'd posted that photo somewhere (here or over on RFC) within the last week, and had noticed afterwards that I hadn't written "50yds" on the target, along with ammo types & lot#s. In that post, I edited it to add that they were shot at 50, but forgot to do so when I posted it again. Sorry 'bout that...
Spicerack - Thanks for the heads-up. It's been over a year since I last had some targets copied at Staples - don't recall now what they cost, but price has almost certainly gone up in the time since then. I can maybe go online to check prices; if not, I won't be making the 60mi drive just to go into Staples to find out. Our little home town is slowly dying; can't buy clothing or anything much beyond groceries & farm supplies here - and most times we wind up driving at least 30mi to the next larger town, or 60 to 90mi to towns with 30,000+ populations. Sucks on many levels, but that's part of what the old discount stores like Gibson's, Alco, & etc did for us, and what - to an even greater extent - Wally World continues to do. I do my best to stay the 'ell out of Walmart, every chance I get.
I feel your pain Dennis, I live in a town of 10156 people and the nearest place to get my scuba tanks filled for my air rifle is over an hour away. That is what drove me to get into
rim fires three months ago. That and I may be able to go to the local gun club and get into some sort of competition. Hearing that these rim fire guy's are shooting many hundreds of yards with .22 lr. help too.
Now that I have the " Snipers Hide 100YChallenge" I can go to my local UPS store and copy the targets onto card stock. Card stock feels like a 3 x 5 card feels. Card stock doesn't tear like plain paper does.
Area 419 has another cz build for sale...
https://www.area419.com/product/cz-457-manners-elite-package/
https://www.area419.com/product/cz-457-manners-elite-package/
Pretty cool, and I like my 457VPT so far, but $1950 is Vudoo money. I wonder what barrels they are using to get 1/2MOA with CCI SV.
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I finished up the machine work on a Shilen select match ratchet rifled straight .850" blank for my Varmint MTR yesterday morning, got it CeraKoted & baked late in the afternoon, and glued it into the action around 7:30pm. Headed out to the shop this morning to get it put back together, and was hoping to get out to shoot & re-zero the scope this morning. But we've got light showers, some lightening & thunder, and some more severe-looking stuff coming up from the SW - so who knows how long before I can see if the Shilen shoots any better than the MTR's OEM bbl? I'd seen some pretty decent groups at 210yds with the factory bbl, but what convinced me to re-barrel was shooting the April RFC CZ BR Match target with it. Ugh - not even close to being competitive on that target, even at only 50yds. Hope to post photos of the rifle & some preliminary groups this afternoon.
Will probably look into getting the YoDave trigger spring for this rifle - I had no problem getting it adjusted down to just under 1lb initially, but being able to get it safely under that for group shooting for $15 & the time it'd take me to swap springs sounds good to me.
Will probably look into getting the YoDave trigger spring for this rifle - I had no problem getting it adjusted down to just under 1lb initially, but being able to get it safely under that for group shooting for $15 & the time it'd take me to swap springs sounds good to me.
the group buy barrels shoot CCI SV and many other types of cheaper match amo 1/2 moa and less consistently.
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It did not shoot as wide a variety consistently. But once you found the right ammo/batch it shot well.
Ahhhh shit.My 455 American out shoots my 457 varmint.At least with ammo tested so far My Annie makes either mentioned look like a POS.
I just picked up a 457 MTR. Waiting for my Area 419 mount and scope from CS Tactical. Super excited to get into rimfire. Never had one before. I will start with 22LR but for some reason 17HMR is calling out to me. Will pick up a Lilja 17HMR ASAP.
Should I consider bedding the current wood stock (which I love the feel of) or should I pick up an MDT, KRG, MPA, or McRee chassis? If I choose the bedding route, what CZ 455 gunsmith do you recommend? DJ Dillion from RFC is no longer doing builds/accurizing.
Thanks!
Should I consider bedding the current wood stock (which I love the feel of) or should I pick up an MDT, KRG, MPA, or McRee chassis? If I choose the bedding route, what CZ 455 gunsmith do you recommend? DJ Dillion from RFC is no longer doing builds/accurizing.
Thanks!
This MTR is near stock and that is the way I would start off. I have not shot in many years and then it was air rifles. Your factory trigger should go down below a pound and feel very crisp. This is 30shots at fifty yards and the missed ones were me.
If you didn't get the 419 bolt knob, please do. It changes the feel tremendously. I also have two 1416 Annies and they shoot no better than this CZ. It is quickly becoming one of my favorite rifles.
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May I suggest SK red or Yellow .... they have shot the best for me thus far beating out ammo that cost 18.00 for a box of 50
30 shots at 50 yards.
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Those are nice groups, but not many 1/2 MOA (.25"@50yds or 0.5" @100yds) Which is what A419 claims on their website.
Your reading the max measurement. Not center to center.
It appears that all of those squares are CTC, they run right through the middle of the outermost bullet holes. My target software measures them the same way. What software is this? What is ATC?
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Ctc and thos groups are literally the first rounds through the barrel. Not even broken in yet...
I have another new product I'm going to review here very shortly for the 455/457....stay tuned
I hear ya, but if that barrel is going to hold 0.5MOA with CCI SV, I need one.
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I am putting in an adjustable comb kit and adjustable butt plate from Greco(sp?) Off brownells. I need about 3 more inches of stock length. And a lot more comb height.
I tried a slip on it pad for now. There are also a bunch of kydex adjustable check tests out.
I went with an in stock adjustment to keep it looking nice
My thoughts exactly. I would empty my wallet for a matched chamber with threaded barrel and adjustable stock.
I wish my damn rifle would come in...
This is exactly how I feel. I got the ammo, 419 mount, scope, rings, 419 bolt knob, and even the suppressor. Just waiting on the rifle.
Just ordered a CZ 457 AT-ONE. Like everyone else, I'm surprised that there aren't more options with adjustable LOP and cheek height.
Itll by my first rimfire training rifle, hoping to get some better at reading the wind with a limited range.
Itll by my first rimfire training rifle, hoping to get some better at reading the wind with a limited range.
You are going to be sooo happy that you got the 419 knob. I used some heat and wood clamp to remove mine. A YoDave spring kit got my trigger down to 9 oz. 30 shots at 50 yds. with SK standard plus. The worst flier was like my 4th shot and it was me not a cold bore.
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Very nice shooting. Gun looks good.
I didnt think I would like the 419 knob. But once I had it one it felt like it should have always been there.
I wrapped some vice grips with electrical tape. Heat the knob up with a butane cigar lighter and if just came right off.
I wrapped some vice grips with electrical tape. Heat the knob up with a butane cigar lighter and if just came right off.
My message was really about the bolt knob. Please shoot your gun with the nasty round ball. That way you will
fully appreciate the 419 bolt knob. Lefty222 knows he has #49 backwards. I got my stock trigger down to 15 oz.
Happy shooting.
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Hi!
A Harrell tuner! Interesting!
How would you qualify/quantify this tool in order of importance in the results you get on target?
I don't know if my question is clear….
Is a tuner the last piece of the puzzle? After you have a good barrel and good ammo, you tightened the groups even more with that?
Thanks!
Martin from Québec
