4. fucking. pages.
and no one has said it yet.
dont bring bear spray to a gun fight.
and no one has said it yet.
dont bring bear spray to a gun fight.
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It sure seems as though the "quality" of the hired protection left a bit to be desired.......
Security guard arrested on suspicion of first-degree murder after fatal shooting near dueling Denver rallies
Matthew Dolloff, 30, is being held at the Downtown Detention Center.www.9news.com
Why is a private security dude for a reporter engaged in any contact with either side of the protest? Shouldn’t his first job be to keep the “journalist” safe? If there are any signs of danger shouldn’t his first response be to get the guy he’s paid to secure out of there?
If he was in fact employed by an agency, Pinkerton, I would hope that they would come under the magnifying glass as well, do they not vet who they hire? I would say if he was there under any official “paid security” That whoever hired him would at least get to bear some responsibility of this. just because it’s a warm body with a gun, does not make them ready for security.
Ok so a little confused. "Big Mouth" is wearing a Black Guns Matter, I googled the other guys shirt and I guess its a Biker's Lives Matter. Its hard keeping track of who is who. (I guess BGM could be some militant lefty--just not their usual apparel)
We need like uniforms and stuff. Oh wait....
I need to get me those "Operator" surgeon gloves.
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We need like uniforms and stuff. Oh wait....
I need to get me those "Operator" surgeon gloves.
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And people wondering why I want to move out into the mountains...
Was wondering what spray guys shirt said. Makes sense.
But, why was biker and black guns (fuck around and find out) guy bickering? Weird to hear that phrase in this scenario, btw. But thats another topic iyam.
Lots of ass hattery to go around in that whole scene but like @Fig said early on, nothing to take life for that ive seen so far.
And while much is TBD, thats an interesting comment about the headshot. IMO, not sure placement matters much when its justified to begin with. Stopping is main thing but if that includes a head shot then IDK. Lots of things happen in crazy moments I suppose, especially when people have less training and experience.
But in this case, by guys grip/hold and stance and job role, Id say he had some training and a bit of practice/experienc. Thus a headshot was calculated, or learned via such training and practice (possibly outside mainstream methods).
The RDS means nothing to me, other than its a modern sighting system. If same thing happen with open sights the eventuality has same outcome meaning...dead guy.
There you go...
Not surprised at all, called it.
Will it matter? Should it matter?
Seems some of y’all are confused about the organization Black Guns Matter. They don’t mean black rifles as in AR15’s, it means Black (People’s) Guns Matter. In response to cops getting shot in the Louisville riot, the founder Maj Toure said that was just the universe self correcting.
He’s kinda tricked his way into getting close with some big name 2A personalities because on the surface he’s working toward a good cause, teaching gun safety in the ghetto. But deep down he has some seriously fckd up ideaologies.
He’s kinda tricked his way into getting close with some big name 2A personalities because on the surface he’s working toward a good cause, teaching gun safety in the ghetto. But deep down he has some seriously fckd up ideaologies.
The fact that it's been 24 hours and there hasn't been a strong "clean shoot" narrative push leads me to believe it doesn't look good for the shooter. Not that the situations are equivalent, but the left had already ruled Rittenhouse guilty in the court of public opinion and were calling for his head.
Perhaps most disturbing is the people standing there cheering on the death, good shoot or not. Take note people - if you're eyes weren't open before, let this be a wake up call. There is a non-zero population of people in this country that want you dead; these people seek no peaceful coexistence, no compromise.
Perhaps most disturbing is the people standing there cheering on the death, good shoot or not. Take note people - if you're eyes weren't open before, let this be a wake up call. There is a non-zero population of people in this country that want you dead; these people seek no peaceful coexistence, no compromise.
Black Guns Matter founder interview:
Seems to me he’s closer to a black supremacist than a 2A supporting patriot. Know who you’re supporting folks!
Seems to me he’s closer to a black supremacist than a 2A supporting patriot. Know who you’re supporting folks!
So he had a gun and chose to duke it out with a can of bear spray? You can’t make this shit up.
No Regerts
Security guard hired by NBC News affiliate? Colo. doesn't regulate security guards or can any Antifa/BLM scum claim to be a SG?
In Texas, there are strict guidelines, especially with armed security. You have to be in uniform with all badges and company patches prominently displayed and your weapon in OC mode. No street clothes and absolutely no concealed carry, at all.
In Texas, there are strict guidelines, especially with armed security. You have to be in uniform with all badges and company patches prominently displayed and your weapon in OC mode. No street clothes and absolutely no concealed carry, at all.
Since you can’t “Like” a post multiple times, I decided to repost. This paragraph says it perfectly!
In Texas, 'private security' means uniformed licensed security, aka, security guard.
Well one things for sure, while he was getting slapped like a bitch and engaging in communist unrest, he left his news person wide open to be attacked, and put them in a super shitty situation.
Pinkertons are scum. If only Jesse James had snuffed Allen Pinkerton after they firebombed his mom’s house, we likely wouldn’t have to be dealing with them today. But alas, along cane a coward by the name Robert Ford... y’all know the rest
Pinkertons are scum. If only Jesse James had snuffed Allen Pinkerton after they firebombed his mom’s house, we likely wouldn’t have to be dealing with them today. But alas, along cane a coward by the name Robert Ford... y’all know the rest
Antifa rioters arrested after being ratted out by their BLM buddies for flying the BLM flag while white
Shooter is a communist. No trial needed. Guilty. I know someone will chime in and say “but the Constitution”, don’t. It was a great idea that doesn’t exist anymore. Your enemies will never give you a second thought. What you always thought existed, doesn’t and never did.
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I like your solution. Shall we call you Vlad now?
That worked for his capital - very well. Though I think he shish kabobed the entire body.
Absolutely. If it was up to me, we’d already have a law in place “Anyone that supports communism in any way hereby forfeits his cranium”I like your solution. Shall we call you Vlad now?
Are we sure this is correct? Shooter looks a lot bigger than someone that is 5’11” and 145 lbs. that would be someone super skinny.
sorry dude... right at the beginning lol
It’s started....
https://thepostmillennial.com/breaking-alleged-antifa-militant-shoots-and-kills-conservative-at-patriot-rally-in-denver
www.snipershide.com
Just looking for ignore list fodder, found some.
hmmm...
www.denverpost.com
Security guard suspected in fatal protest shooting not licensed in Denver, city says
Police identified a 30-year-old man as the suspect in a fatal shooting during dueling protests Saturday in downtown Denver.
www.denverpost.com
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You want to win the day? Get out and vote. Get two friends to vote. Have them get two friends and so on.
In any state, is pepper spray a justified reason to shoot someone?
You have to have a merchant guard license to be security in D Town. If the shooter was an Antifa supporter of whatever I'd be interested in knowing how he got the job, what sort of experience he's got.
Another potential scenario here with some of the new photos is he may have been reaching for boonie hats gun, not the pepper spray, and that's when he got slapped and it escalated.
Stressing once again, who the hell knows.
The news company needs to be sued. They hired this leftist POS without any vetting at all, then brought him to an event filled with people he obviously hated, armed. Regardless if he was properly licensed or not, all the evidence points to him completely shirking his responsibility as a security guard to engage in furthering socialism.hmmm...
Security guard suspected in fatal protest shooting not licensed in Denver, city says
Police identified a 30-year-old man as the suspect in a fatal shooting during dueling protests Saturday in downtown Denver.
Put his head on a spike at the edge of town. Along with everyone else calling for the overthrow of a lawfully elected president.
Not looking for a confrontation *but* you assume that everyone not on your side/your perspective is incompetent and impotent, right? All of the "Leftists" will literally crumble and be blown to The Wind when "Patriots" (whoever the fuck that is) decide to put the hammer down?
Good luck with that. If the "gloves come off" there will be *no* winners...survivors yes. Winners? Not likely.
Assuming everyone who doesn't agree with your perspective is inconsequential and will be decimated by True Patriot's? How many recent graduates of the USMC and Army do you actively and recently deal with? Asking for a friend...... I have a bunch of them in my Family.
VooDoo
Not saying this about SH members, but I think a lot of folk think only "right wing kooks" go to the range and train or have had "formal training." However, I'm willing to bet a higher percentage of the left than most think has also had training - formal (as in a recognized facility) or through former LE/Mil that do have a leftist view (it happens). Pretty sure, though my last training was a while ago, when I mention I've had some...there are some immediate "eye rolls" and then you get labeled - even by people who are not leftists.
Also the magnitude of shows on TV about self-defense, shooting, 3-gun is staggering and I'm sure this isn't lost on people that choose to use their 2nd Amendment right to actually subvert The Constitution.
So highly likely this person had some type of training and wasn't just a "mall cop." Personally I don't want a RDS on my handgun (call me weird) but it does show a level of "technology" that is a bit more than I'd personally think some green-violet haired ANTIFA member would have.
ps...maybe if I had some time behind a RDS on a handgun I'd change my mind.
Also the magnitude of shows on TV about self-defense, shooting, 3-gun is staggering and I'm sure this isn't lost on people that choose to use their 2nd Amendment right to actually subvert The Constitution.
So highly likely this person had some type of training and wasn't just a "mall cop." Personally I don't want a RDS on my handgun (call me weird) but it does show a level of "technology" that is a bit more than I'd personally think some green-violet haired ANTIFA member would have.
ps...maybe if I had some time behind a RDS on a handgun I'd change my mind.
I mean, if you’re a commie leftist “anti racist” then yes, obviously. Didn’t you hear Einstein Jr in the video? Biker dude was declared a white supremacist, therefore he was a white supremacist, therefore it’s ok to murder in whatever manner anyone seems fit...
First, it would be interesting to know the source for the original claim that Dolloff was hired by the news organization. Not unlikely this was a bullshit claim from the start, and the news org, as well as Pinkertons, may have no involvement at all with him.
The first thing in my post was “It’s important we don’t underestimate them”. But somehow you get “the leftists will literally crumble and be blown to the wind” from that.
We get it man, you’re a never Trumper. You’ve made that quite clear. I imagine most of your family is too.
As far as your confusion on what a patriot is, and who enemies of patriots are... let me make it clear for you- people who support and are willing to fight and die for the constitution is a patriot.
People like Michael Reinohl, killing people because they voted for Trump, and groups going around under the flag of BLM saying they’re going to burn down every house flying an American flag, are enemies of patriots.
But yes, you’re right, I’m of the opinion we have more gun owners on the “right”, and more gun owners that have had training. But since you and your family are leftists, I guess my opinion was totally invalid. I reckon we should all get on our knees now and swear fealty to Joe Biden and BLM-Antifa. I’ll make sure to get right on that ASAP
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The news company released a statement saying he worked for them
As @Sniperwannabee said, I thought the news company themselves admitted they hired em? Also Didn’t the dude he was bodyguard for also initially get taken into custody?
Victim is veteran and custom cowboy hat maker (crossfire hats)
www.the-sun.com
Military vet shot dead in front of son at Antifa rally
THE right-wing protester allegedly killed by a security guard during clashes with Antifa was shot dead in the head in front of his son. Military veteran and grandad Lee Keltner was shot after macin…
www.the-sun.com
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Shooter was reaching at victim got slapped then drew. Victim reacted with what he had in his hand, the spray. Shooter head shots victim.
So far, seems like murder charge was appropriate in this case. Can change as more comes out, but the picture is forming.
So far, seems like murder charge was appropriate in this case. Can change as more comes out, but the picture is forming.
Go use pepper spray on a police officer and see what happens. The most likely justification for the officer's use of deadly force will be some variation on the theme of concern over weapon retention (this was the exact justification for that officer-involved shooting in Atlanta this summer).
Then apply that same logic to an armed civilian, because if that logic applies to a police officer, then it applies to anyone who is legally armed.
Victim is veteran and custom cowboy hat maker (crossfire hats)
Military vet shot dead in front of son at Antifa rally
THE right-wing protester allegedly killed by a security guard during clashes with Antifa was shot dead in the head in front of his son. Military veteran and grandad Lee Keltner was shot after macin…
I don't like to make idle threats or angry predictions, but if my father or son were shot while i was within range, there would be two victims. Probably why I avoid situations like these.
Excellent point. I've noticed that in all the detective work done here, no one has picked up on the fact that bear spray guy was advancing on the shooter. Look at foot placement of both in the photo sequence. Bear spray closed a lot of distance to deliver a Rick James, while shooter stood still. This might be an important detail to a jury as this can be considered an attack.
As far as the shooter reaching for spray or the concealed gun, maybe but I'm not convinced. That could very well be a reflex reaction of having a big hand coming at your face...a slow attempt to block. Or could have been a hand up in defense of bear spray charging him.
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