If any of You 6.5creed guys have some 135bergers on hand. Please try 42.4 (+/- .3 ) of h4250 with a WIDE & forgiving average ogive of 2.205".. Understand that this is a comperator measurement! I've tested it in 5 rigs , chambered with 2 different reamers ( both minimum SAAMI ) .. Sub .350 in all. The test rigs are ranging from brand new pipe through 1500ish RDS. And 3 different mfgrs . but all 5 are 8 twist