A big FUCK YOU to Libertarians

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I'll add that I do not support the bumpstock ban. I don't agree with Trump on everything, by a longshot. But I choose to support a candidate who isn't part of the rotting bloated Washington carcass. They hate him, included some republicans. I like that. And by any measure, he has governed as mostly a conservative, whether he truly is one or not. I also like that. And I'll choose that 1,000,000 times over communism, socialism, leftism, whatever label you want to use, in a general election.
 
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    Fuck you, snowflake. People are entitled to their own opinions- if you are too retarded to understand voting with principle over voting as a team effort, America really is screwed. That’s why we have such a swamp- dumbasses like you.
    Lol 😂 looks like all the abuse that Chad has taken is coming out... poor guy
     

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    As Michael Medved calls them the "losertarion party" have been a problem for conservatives for years. A lot of them have really wacky ideas. I'm all for less government, especially at the Fed level but you're not going to get there voting for obvious losers.

    This is exactly right.
    My first opportunity to vote was Reagan's first term. I voted for him then and again 4 years later.
    Through my 20's, I devoutly considered myself an independent. I mean, to be honest, I even voted for a Democrat Sheriff and if that man were alive and running today, I'd vote for him again. But I found myself far more often than not leaning far more right than the Democrats. I really identified with the ideology of the Libertarian's and decided I'd vote for the Libertarian when possible.
    Then Obama ran.
    I voted against him and for McCain...but I fucking hated Backblast Johnny. I decided that the other candidates (I don't recall now) didn't have a chance and voting my conscience would do nothing to defeat Obama.
    Repeat performance in 2012 and 2016. Trump was not my first choice but I really hate HRC. This time around I voted FOR Trump.
    At some point, maybe you can vote your conscience or morals or whatever, maybe during the first go around, but at some point, you gotta make your vote count to defeat the sorry MF that you do NOT want to win and, unfortunately or whatever, that means choosing to vote for one of the 2 major parties.
     
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    Trump wins by weeks end, Glad you all have extra bullets, Democrats are going to turn them loose in the streets soon, burn baby burn, Why the dumb F__ks burn their own cities is beyond reason, No?
    Alaska's votes won't even be counted by weeks end. We are looking at weeks of this lovely spectacle the demonrats have created.
     

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    The time for third parties, and voting on pure principle is the primaries. Thats when you make the party what you want it to be. You do the best you can with that, and if you're lucky, you move the needle right a little. But when it comes to general elections, you have to be realistic about the consequences of your vote.

    I’d normally agree with you, but the trump wing of the Republican Party in my state shutdown any chance of a primary challenge to the incumbent for 2020, so any chance to redress grievances was snuffed out, doesn’t make me think that the two party system gives a shit about competing for my vote. Were I afforded a chance to vote for someone in a primary and my candidate of choice had lost, I would have felt different about voting third party, but when a brash urban yankee television star and his cadre of adult dependent children riding his coat Tails shutdown every opportunity to try to steer the RP back to a position of smaller government and greater fiscal responsibility I have zero issue with going with a party that regularly advocates for individual liberty and fiscal responsibility. I get that replacing an incumbent May not give a great chance of success, but terminating primaries is a bigger “fuck you” than the OPs original statement and it just says that the republicans already knew that normally dependable “R” voters weren’t really in strong support of trump or his idealogy going into 2020, otherwise they would have welcomed the challenge to show support.

    i don’t see what trump ever did to make republicans think he was much more pro gun than Biden, other than take money from the NRA. he didn’t even discuss the hearing protection act when he had control of both houses of Congress. He did start a precedent of banning accessories and he even spoke about banning black rifles after Las Vegas. what the hell makes anyone in here think he wouldn’t use gun control as a bargaining chip with pelosi when he no longer needed your vote to get re-elected? I don’t undersrand the blind obedience to a man who has regularly lied or not come through on commitments he made to you. I’m not even really a libertarian, but the Republican Party has certainly made it clear that they don’t need my vote, so I don’t feel much need for their approval. Have a good evening, keep your powder dry, and I’ll see you at the primaries.
     

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    seriously - these fucktards who vote for someone who has no hope in hell truly are retarded.
     
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    Fuck off, if you fucking clowns hadn’t continually voted for “the lesser of two evils” for decade after decade we may not be in this mess
    Who has more anarchists and actual communists voting with them? When you’re an ideological fanatic you attract other fanatics. The communists have a caucus (and a “Squad”) within the Democrat party. It is only vanity and fanaticism that prevents this on our side. Ron Paul was a Republican The Douche. He understood how American politics works. So don’t invoke him while trying to justify how you vote.

    Choosing the lesser of two evils is called life, and it is a frequent occurrence. It doesn’t mean you compromised your values, it means you made a decision based on reality, or you actually led people. I wish we had remained true to our founding principals, which were all libertarian principals, but instead of retreating to my happy place I choose to live in the real world and I prefer winning battles to pretending to be ideologically true and loosing everything. I’d rather win and feel bad about myself than loose and believe I was pure.

    But, whatever, go live in your happy place where loosing is good, and everyone but you is an idiot.
     

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    Ahh yes bumpstocks. The holy grail of excuses. Do you seriously think you improved the problem by withholding your vote from Trump for that, and in consequence allowing Biden, who wants full blow ban of everything, to prevail?

    Wouldn't it make more sense to vote for the candidate that will do the least destruction to 2A in the general election, and THEN work towards nominating future candidates that support expanding gun rights to your desired level? How the hell is a Biden presidency a win for Libertarianism? Cause that's what you voted for. Toilet. Thats exactly what you did. When given the choice between mostly freedom, and socialism, you chose toilet.
    I didn't vote for Biden any more than you did, and saying so is nothing more than making excuses for your candidate losing.

    Lots of people in this thread preaching how they voted for freedom, but how has your freedom increased in the last four years?

    Truth is, it hasn't.
     

    Fig

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    What planet do you live on? This is a rearguard action, son.
    The masks are off. The Democrats are collectivist totalitarians. There is a commie hoard on our coasts that is infiltrating the heartland.
    You are not living in reality if you think our liberties are going to expand at all. The communists are two votes from total control of our government. If that happens they will seize all healthcare and medical services in the country. When they control all healthcare they can control 50% of your life right there. What you eat, how you excercise, etc. All justified because “they” are paying for it.
    So while I’m entirely sympathetic to your ideology, much of which I share, you can fuck off in terms of actually voting or doing anything about it, because your fantasy shit is 100% counterproductive to fighting this rearguard action.
    if the tables were turned I might agree with you, but when The Republic is on the floor and getting shined up by communists you can fuckoff.
     

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    Libertarian or not, and how you vote is your choice. I just cant wrap my mind around over half of the people in this country voting for Biden. The guy has an aging physical condition.

    Biden is literally a few years away from needing full time health assistance, and people thought he was the best choice????? No offense to old people, as I am sure I will be there soon. If someone asked me, I would bet several thousand dollars he wears adult diapers. I am not saying old people cant lead, but any normal person can see the guy is in mental decline. I say this before I even begin talking about his policy.

    Again, vote how you want, but remember all actions come with consequences...... this one comes with a mentally deteriorating man leading our country! I literally don't understand some peoples choices!
     

    rustyinbend

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    I never understood the whole "3rd Party Wasted Vote" thing. It's a little like driving into a brick wall to prove your air bag works.
     
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    Maybe instead of bitching about votes lost to 3rd parties, the major parties could at least throw a bone towards those on the fringe. Trump had ample opportunity and really good reasons to reform the surveillance state, just as an example (I mean, it was after all the mechanism that was weaponized against him).

    The practical application of politics is fundamentally about compromise, but that burden should not be placed solely on the voter. Note that the Democratic party crushed the threat from the Green Party largely by paying respect to many of the latter's positions. The Republican party should take a lesson.
     

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    At least the "Libertarians" can feel all smug about their "conscience" as they enjoy living under the next century of single party Communist rule, they will have plenty of company in that with all the "never trumpers".
     

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    What planet do you live on? This is a rearguard action, son.
    The masks are off. The Democrats are collectivist totalitarians. There is a commie hoard on our coasts that is infiltrating the heartland.
    You are not living in reality if you think our liberties are going to expand at all. The communists are two votes from total control of our government. If that happens they will seize all healthcare and medical services in the country. When they control all healthcare they can control 50% of your life right there. What you eat, how you excercise, etc. All justified because “they” are paying for it.
    So while I’m entirely sympathetic to your ideology, much of which I share, you can fuck off in terms of actually voting or doing anything about it, because your fantasy shit is 100% counterproductive to fighting this rearguard action.
    if the tables were turned I might agree with you, but when The Republic is on the floor and getting shined up by communists you can fuckoff.
    AND! The active libertarians around western Co. get all mumble mouth about open borders and make excuses. When the Libertarian party went with Gary Johnson in 2016 a tax and spend socialist ( that’s really the thinking of ideals) I stopped supporting any of their candidates
     

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    I'm a libertarian who voted for Trump for the reasons listed here.
    It's taken over a century to get the country as far gone as it is, so it's going to take a while to restore it. Try to go to fast, and folks will resist. They have to be weaned from the government teat slowly.
    Libertarians aren't anarchists. They believe in small weak government, mostly at the state and local level, as the constitution outlines.
    A "libertarian" who advocates anarchy or cop killing is not a libertarian.
     

    Rthur

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    I wonder if some on here have heard of the blue team voting for red team members
    in the primaries to cloud choices and cause mayhem there after?
    This practice has been going on since well before Trump.

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    I wonder if some on here have heard of the blue team voting for red team members
    in the primaries to cloud choices and cause mayhem there after?
    This practice has been going on since well before Trump.

    R

    Red team does that to blue team in "safe" states all the time.
     

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    Technically no, you didnt. When viewing in realistic context, yeah you did.

    But, thats not for me to come to terms with...
    And asks Dem, and they'll tell you I voted for Trump. I needn't come to terms with anything as I'm not pissed at my fellow gun owners for voting the way they did.
     

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    You have a 45% chance of death by lethal injection, and a 45% chance of death by electrocution. You have a 10% chance of successful escape, what are you gonna choose.

    You say fuck the Libertarians because you automatically assume their votes would went toward your candidate but I know several Democrats who voted Libertarian because they hate Biden as much as they hate Trump. I am the one who introduced them to Jojo, your fucking welcome😁

    You can blame someone else for the weak ass Republicans not standing up to voter fraud all you want, but the truth of the matter is the Republican party is a bunch of pussies who will never win against the multiple, dead, and illegal vote Democrats. You know why the media is calling Biden as the winner? Because no one will stand up to them. Do you know why the Democrats are going to take over power again? Because no one will stand up with Trump to them stealing the election from us. He has pushed harder against this Democrat corruption than any other Republican in history, and that is why I voted for him.

    The cartridge Box is being regulated away from us, the ballot boxes stuffed, the soap Box requires a permit, and the jury Box isn't doing much better. We used to have 4 boxes, now we just have a nation full of weak ass men who are too comfortable in their slavery to care.

    Go ahead and blame the Libertarians for your parties lack of spine, at least there trying to do something about this insanity we call voting for the lesser of two evils.
     

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    Those are of course the fraud states. Biden would have still won, they just would have had to manufacture a few thousand more dead people votes, counting machine snafus, or the myriad of other ways the big city mayors and their corrupt political machines cheat.
     

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    I was looking at election results in swing states and was disappointed to see that in several key races the libertarian vote for Jo Jorgensen was enough to make up the delta between Trump and Biden and keep Trump in office. Arizona, Georgia, Wisconsin, and Nevada are all close enough that the libertarian vote is more than the delta. The disappointing part is that most libertarians I have spoken with are much closer to the Republican party than the Democratic party. 1.74 million people wasted a vote either in protest or for a third party they knew couldn’t win.

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    I’m a libertarian on almost every issue but haven’t voted for a libertarian yet, just because I saw long ago how dangerous democrats really are. I’m not happy with some of the things Republicans harp on but they are close enough on what matters to me, being a idealist can cost you.
     
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    Proud libertarian here. Sorry the Republican party gave up on small government (increased federal deficits and spending), restricting gun rights (unilaterally redefining the term machine gun to ban bump stocks), some advocating red flag laws (one even said to take the guns first then going to court), etc.

    I will say Trump's crusades to eliminate red tape and unnecessary regulations should be praised. I really wish he had taken time to do things completely by the book so they wouldn't have gotten struck down (DACA and the APA in particular). However they were largely unsuccessful.

    I'm tired of voting for the lesser of two evils. It has only made the progression to the left slower when I want it reversed.

    The Libertarian party is disjointed and unorganized, yes. But the hope is (at least MY hope) that Democrat or Republican parties will see a growing group that endorses expanding gun rights, legalization of victimless crimes, and smaller government and adjust their platforms accordingly to attract us to vote for their candidates.

    you do realize the "libertarian" party openly endorses ANTIFA and BLM, right?

    fuck they were praising Raz Simone, the CHAZ warlord...

    the LP can go suck a dick with their ass as far as im concerned.
     

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    you do realize the "libertarian" party openly endorses ANTIFA and BLM, right?

    fuck they were praising Raz Simone, the CHAZ warlord...

    the LP can go suck a dick with their ass as far as im concerned.

    I really don't see where the LP openly endorses ANTIFA, BLM, etc. Aside from random people online, do you have any instances where Libertarian candidates spoke out in favor of ANTIFA, BLM, Raz Simone, etc.? Legit question there, not trying to be provocative.

     
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    I really don't see where the LP openly endorses ANTIFA, BLM, etc. Aside from random people online, do you have any instances where Libertarian candidates spoke out in favor of ANTIFA, BLM, Raz Simone, etc.? Legit question there, not trying to be provocative.

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    Jorgensen says that the Libertarian Party agrees with the national Black Lives Matter organization on several issues, such as the drug war, no-knock raids, and qualified immunity. "But their answer is more government," she says, and "big government is what got us here to begin with."

    "Libertarians have been talking about these issues for 40 years," she says. "I think we should support the protesters, but, at the same time, get rid of the opportunistic people hijacking the movement." Jorgensen points to the people who have used the protests to loot and commit violence: "They are going around basically inserting themselves into peaceful protest. And I've seen many clips of the protesters saying, 'Stop it. Go away. You're not helping us. We don't want you here.'"


    https://reason.com/2020/08/07/jo-jo...ter-i-think-we-should-support-the-protesters/

    ........

    "Holy fuck, the Libertarians agree with BLM on certain things! Fucking Commies"
     
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    Libertarianism as a religion/philosophy falls completely flat, because it's supposed purity becomes a suicide pact the moment it encounters an authoritarian or totalitarian government, or (for instance) if poor, third world nations flood you with refugees.

    Pretending that capitalism's efficiency is ALWAYS a good thing, or you should/can treat fairly with slave states, makes it a totally unworkable fantasy.
    These are the same people who say, "Violence solves nothing" with total confidence and total belief. Where as the communist is totally misanthropic and believes in using force against the governed in all situations, the libertarian is the opposite extreme and believes that the use of force is never justified and only a result of small minded men who cannot find their perfect solutions. In short the implicitly trust all people even when those people have a track record of being enrirely untrustworthy. Any ideology that has such an extreme view of man is unworkable. It is ALWAYS going to be a fringe ideology that creates documents like The Articles of Confederation which sound great, but don't work in practice.

    Libertarians exist at our pleasure. Without Republicans and our nationalist sentiments protecting them the real world would chew them up and spit them out. If we treated our enemies based on libertarianism China would OWN us already. Not because of a President who is bought and paid for by the Chinese Communist Party, but because their principals are nothing short of a complete capitulation with a totalitarian enemy who shares none of their beliefs, and refuses to play by their rules.

    Someone mentioned that we've been going downhill for about 100 years. That is absolutely true. The Constitutional Checks that were removed in the early 20th century are why we are now failing. It just took a hundred years for all those removed checks on power to build up steam and we rush towards our collapse faster and faster with every right our Federal government attacks, and every aspect of our lives it seeks to control.

    I see you as 100% complicit in this collapse as you refuse to choose the lesser of two evils and insist on believing yourself to be pure. I got over that shit by the time I was 25. This is the ideology of children (good children mind you, but children).
     

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    you do realize Trump has reduced federal power more than any other president in recent history, right?
    Nope... Candidate must be the perfect embodiment of libertarian ideals... Otherwise I'm just gonna wad my ballot up and flush it down the toilet... I'll show you!!
     
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    libertarian is the opposite extreme and believes that the use of force is never justified and only a result of small minded men who cannot find their perfect solutions.
    You can't seriously fucking believe that, right? Libertarians are against our endless wars and spending in the Middle East, and other forms of intervention. Basically, stop being the fucking world police and let other people deal with shit for once. There isn't a single Libertarian I'm aware of that doesn't believe in the National Defense.
     

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    Thanks for the information (legitimately). I don't do the whole twitter thing.


    Here is how I see those comments:

    Support for BLM and being anti-racist- The LP does not endorse or support BLM's full mission and ideals (certainly not the marxist crap). What the LP supports is ending qualified immunity, reforming sentencing requirements, and eliminating victimless laws that have disproportionately impacted communities of color (blacks and latinos in particular).

    Support for BLM protests- The LP believes in everyone's right to free speech- including that which is abhorrent (again, the marxist crap). The line is when property is involved/destroyed or when other peoples' rights are infringed upon (physical assault, etc.). When that happens, everyone agrees (including us libertarians) that it's a riot and needs to be broken up. Until then, however- they get to spew whatever they want out of their mouths.

    CHAZ- I see that tweet as linking to and quoting an article. The information provided by that LP account was in response to Raz Simone's comment on privatizing the police force instead of it being government funded. The LP is for privatizing policing in general as it means smaller government (Honestly, I am personally on the fence on this issue). This tweet was clearly not support for everything going on in the CHAZ.

    Tom Cotton- Yeah. The LP detests the idea of deploying the military to stop protests and riots. I am 100% behind that.


    TLDR: These tweets/comments are the LP throwing support for parts of the BLM and CHAZ agendas. Some of which I do support as well. They are not supporting the full range of agendas BLM stands for nor CHAZ. Hope the nuances get through.
     

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    You can't seriously fucking believe that, right? Libertarians are against our endless wars and spending in the Middle East, and other forms of intervention. Basically, stop being the fucking world police and let other people deal with shit for once. There isn't a single Libertarian I'm aware of that doesn't believe in the National Defense.
    Who is the only president that hasn't gotten us into another war?
    Who also has tried to pull those troops out of the ME?

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    Wow!

    The prosecution rests!



    so you have a candidate supporting supporting BLM, and "antiracist" ideology....then praising Raz Simones philosophy on "community policing" (AKA armed antifa thugs)........and thats not enough for you?

    honestly if you cannot see the LP is being pushed to the left, you are fucking blind.
     

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    At this point it doesn't matter who's in the white house, the duopoly spends more than they "earn" and have for decades. the over-spending has ruined the country. NOW. NOT in the future, NOW. Is there any aspect of the country that is better now than 30 years ago? The country's Morals? Health? Fiscal position? Spiritualness? Race relations? There are so many epidemics in this country, Covid is just the latest. obesity epidemic, Legal drug epidemic, illegal drug epidemic, homeless epidemic, suicide epidemic, depression epidemic, mental health epidemic, debt epidemic. Who has been leading the country over the last 30yrs? Both Political parties (not to mention the media) are corrupt having chosen personal benefit at the country's expense. I will not condone that kind of leadership with my vote. Trump didn't drain the swamp, or build the wall, or control spending, or bring manufacturing back to our shores, or bring the troops home from the 100+countries that we are in. We have the biggest fiscal deficit of all time. The trade deficit is at an all time high. Tax cut? He just moved that shit around. I don't know if voting libertarian can fix any of this, (its too late I think) but I do know that electing anyone from either of the main political parties will just doom us to more of the same failures that have brought this once great country to its knees.
     

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    Thanks for the information (legitimately). I don't do the whole twitter thing.


    Here is how I see those comments:

    Support for BLM and being anti-racist- The LP does not endorse or support BLM's full mission and ideals (certainly not the marxist crap). What the LP supports is ending qualified immunity, reforming sentencing requirements, and eliminating victimless laws that have disproportionately impacted communities of color (blacks and latinos in particular).

    Support for BLM protests- The LP believes in everyone's right to free speech- including that which is abhorrent (again, the marxist crap). The line is when property is involved/destroyed or when other peoples' rights are infringed upon (physical assault, etc.). When that happens, everyone agrees (including us libertarians) that it's a riot and needs to be broken up. Until then, however- they get to spew whatever they want out of their mouths.

    CHAZ- I see that tweet as linking to and quoting an article. The information provided by that LP account was in response to Raz Simone's comment on privatizing the police force instead of it being government funded. The LP is for privatizing policing in general as it means smaller government (Honestly, I am personally on the fence on this issue). This tweet was clearly not support for everything going on in the CHAZ.

    Tom Cotton- Yeah. The LP detests the idea of deploying the military to stop protests and riots. I am 100% behind that.


    TLDR: These tweets/comments are the LP throwing support for parts of the BLM and CHAZ agendas. Some of which I do support as well. They are not supporting the full range of agendas BLM stands for nor CHAZ. Hope the nuances get through.
    I've seen the term, eliminate victimless laws several times. That disproportionately impact people of color, which laws?
     

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    ...legalization of victimless crimes...

    If something is a crime, some one is a victim. Even if it's the person committing the crime. Calling it victimless is just putting lipstick on a pig to justify something you want.

    If no one was actually hurt by a particular behavior, there wouldn't be a law in place, or it would have lng since been repealed.

    JMTCW...
     

    mcameron

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    If something is a crime, some one is a victim. Even if it's the person committing the crime. Calling it victimless is just putting lipstick on a pig to justify something you want.

    If no one was actually hurt by a particular behavior, there wouldn't be a law in place, or it would have lng since been repealed.

    JMTCW...
    Putting a stock on my AR pistol without a stamp?
     

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    Putting a stock on my AR pistol without a stamp?


    That same justification is used for people who drive while on their cell phones. Laws are put in place many times for the common good. If we don't like the laws, we need to levy to have them repealed, not just disregard them. That's what Obama did for 8 years; decide which ones to enforce, and which to not enforce. That erodes the system. Follow the laws, and levy to change the ones you don't.

    Putting a stock on your AR breaks the law, which then causes the police to show up, which then puts them, and everyone, at risk. They become the victims when you put that stock on your pistol. Yeah, I know, it's a self licking ice cream cone of sorts, and an imperfect system, but it's all we got, that separates us from the animals and barbarians...
     

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    Fuck off, if you fucking clowns hadn’t continually voted for “the lesser of two evils” for decade after decade we may not be in this mess

    So what's your meaningful alternative?

    I feel like my values most closely align with the Constitutional party, which is at least in the same zip code as Libertarian and I've had long and lubricated conversations with Gary Johnson and would consider him a great guy and friend, but voting on principle when your vote is going to materially hurt you seems illogical. Voting on principle is juxtaposed to voting on emotion.

    Additionally, the last time we had a one term Republican, he only lost due to third party parasitic voting. That resulted in the '94 crime bill and a host of other anti-freedom legislation.

    I put voting third party in a general election in the same category as wearing all of your tactical gear and full kit AR into Walmart. Sure, it's legal, and it's your right, but it sure isn't smart and it doesn't help the cause of freedom and liberty for you or anyone else.
     
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    I put voting third party in a general election in the same category as wearing all of your tactical gear and full kit AR into Walmart. Sure, it's legal, and it's your right, but it sure isn't smart and it doesn't help the cause of freedom and liberty for you or anyone else.

    This is the smartest thing I have read this morning...
     

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    2020 is so fun “politics is all about compromise” that’s true, you want everybody else to compromise to meet your viewpoint but you aren’t willing to compromise to meet anyone else’s viewpoint, that’s no better than the democrats. It’s great that mainline republicans refused to listen to right leaning independents or moderates or to compromise even slightly by having a primary in2020 and then cry that we somehow lost you the votes because WE won’t compromise. In 2016 democrats told me my libertarian vote got trump elected, in 2020 republicans say my vote got him kicked out, which is amazing considering neither vote changed the electoral outcome in South Carolina in the slightest. In both cases, I could have dipped my balls in and ink and spelled out George s. Patton on the ballot and the states 9 electoral votes would have stayed RED.

    For fuck’s sake, Republicans whine just as much as democrats, you could be trying to figure out how to regain voters for ‘24 and build a strong platform to embrace capitalism in the 21st century but you’d rather cry like a two year old and shit on anyone who might help you next time around. in 2016 trump won by a slim majority of electoral votes and actually lost the popular vote, but instead Of looking at it as a near catastrophe, and solidifying fringe republicans, right leaning independents and “RINOs” trump strutted around like he’d won a landslide for four years and is now shocked and denying that the slim majority shifted in the opposite direction. Feel free to double down on the same dumbass play for 2024.
     

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    Fuck off, if you fucking clowns hadn’t continually voted for “the lesser of two evils” for decade after decade we may not be in this mess

    Just so I'm clear on this, so what you're saying is if the majority of the voter base doesn't agree 100% on everything with the candidate of their particular party they should just not vote at all? Got it.
     

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    It's obvious from this thread that the ability to reason and apply logic, isn't just a leftist problem, it's just more acute on that side.

    All I've heard for a reason to vote third party is emotional blather. You have the right. No one is arguing that. Was Trump perfect, no. Was he considerably and clearly better than Biden/Harris? Yes.

    Here's what is probably true. The fraud conducted during balloting would have just made up for your vote for Trump anyway.

    What is also true is that it's still illogical to vote third party when it means that a candidate that is more detrimental to your quality of life and values is more likely to win. It would be like cutting off your Swantz to prevent yourself from being circumsized. Sure, you made your point, and it was a principled decision, but it didn't leave you in a better place.