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As if, More video of the Gladius @ 800 & 1000 yds

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    #1
    Last week while at the range I did some more work with the GAP Gladius at 800 & 1000 yards using Lapua boxed ammo, both 155gr Scenars and 170gr HPS.

    I found the 155gr Scenars were the most consistent at distance, and actually the two loads were very close to each other in elevation, although the 155gr beat the wind a whole lot better requiring some adjustment to reduce the hold compared to the 170gr.

    The Target, <span style="font-style: italic">(Sized discussed in video)</span> placed on the berm at the CRC <span style="font-style: italic">(Byers)</span> is about 20 yards behind the target stands, however at 1000 yards, the 18" Barreled Gladius only need just a bit over 10 Mils to reach 1000 yards with either load. Wind flag down range is clearly visible and I can say the loads only required about .3 mils to .5 mils of adjustment.

    Now, understood this was at 5000 ft above sea level, however as demonstrated in the early video at Rifles Only <span style="font-style: italic">(78ft asl)</span> the rifle's accuracy and potential remains the same. I will note that at Rifles Only I needed between 11.5 Mils to 12 mils of elevation depending on the environmental conditions, and here in CO I only need 10.2 mils. So as you move away from sea level, it only gets better, which is to be expected, but the weight savings in either case will always trump any accuracy potential at 1000 yards, especially with a 308. However there is clearly no sacrifice in accuracy.

    this video is short, just over 2 minutes but I think it demonstrates the rifle's capabilities very well.

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    to clarify this is all shot using factory ammunition from Lapua, not a custom load.

    Spec's on the Gladius:

    Remington Action w/ Side bolt release added
    Huber 2 stage Trigger
    18.5" Bartlein barrel 1/10 twist .298 bore
    Surefire suppressor FA762SS
    Manners T2A stock
    Badger M5 bottom metal
    TAB GEAR Elite Series Sling
    Nightforce F1 3-15X 50 Mil/MLR

    <span style="font-style: italic">As of last week this rifle will be added to GA Precision's line up as is, so you can call and order a copy of this rifle directly from GAP. Just tell them you want a Gladius.</span>
     
    #2
    Re: As if, More video of the Gladius @ 800 & 1000 yds

    Very nice video format. Do you find that its easier for you (or for possibly for the novice) to spot your own at that distance because you have more time for the rifle to settle back down?

    Also, how the repeatablity of POI shifts with the SF? I plan on using one with my build in progress.

    As always, impressive LL.
     
    #3
    Re: As if, More video of the Gladius @ 800 & 1000 yds

    If you look at the first shots at 800 where you can see me, the rifle does not move at all, and I can spot my own shots regardless of what range I am at... providing I don't get sloppy like the close up video shows, which in my opinion is a bad position, and bad shot. The key, being straight behind the rifle, giving it something solid and square to recoil against and executing the fundamentals to the best of my ability.

    Looking at the hits at 800 yards, the position is pretty darn close to perfect as the rifle never moves the hits are sold and I can see the hits in the scope. This is the goal, no adjustment is necessary and 1, 2, 3 the target is hit.

    As far as the Surefire, they are very good albeit expensive in my opinion. My rifle is not a good gauge of the repeatability from on to off because my mount/brake is not right for some reason, and has been determined to be either defective or just the wrong mount. However because the rifle is so accurate, I refuse to swap it out, so my shift it bad. I have however put my suppressor on someone else is rifle and the shift was minimal as it was supposed to be. I have some racket teeth on the brake that I don't think belong there as the others I have seen are smooth, and the shift disappears with the smooth brake.

    But I can live with the shift because I am not going to potentially alter the rifle and risk losing my current accuracy.

    Honestly, the rifle was zeroed with BHA 175gr SMK, I alternated between 155gr and 170gr and did nothing more than adjust using what I saw in the reticle, after I shot 600 yards this way I knew what I needed for each shot and didn't even need to shoot first to get accurate hits on target. I just dialed in the difference ahead of time and was right where I needed to be... I shot 600 yards on paper so I knew what to do. My 600 yard paper target didn't look like much but it told me everything I needed to know.
     
    #7
    Re: As if, More video of the Gladius @ 800 & 1000 yds

    You're video production skills and photography have really stepped up over the years. I envision magazine and video work in your future.

    As always - nice shooting.

    Was the wind at 6 or 12?

    Good luck
     
    #8
    Re: As if, More video of the Gladius @ 800 & 1000 yds

    I have to give credit to SH Member M.45, he did the Bug and the title screens, the open and close. His work is what really makes these videos...

    My movie fu is still very weak, especially compared to my still photography, but the more I do it the better I will get.

    But I appreciate you noticing...
     
    #10
    Re: As if, More video of the Gladius @ 800 & 1000 yds

    i'm waiting on a barrel and tac 30 action now to build my 18.5" barreled 308. i have an aics 2.0 for this project. i'm not building mine for a 1k rifle but it is good to know it will still reach out there.
     
    #11
    Re: As if, More video of the Gladius @ 800 & 1000 yds

    A little off topic, but how thick is that steel, and what kind of steel?

    Thanks.
     
    #13
    Re: As if, More video of the Gladius @ 800 & 1000 yds

    Do you know what the velocity of the 155 grain scenar is out of this rifle ? I would run it through Exbal but as usual my Palm's battery is dead .
     
    #14
    Re: As if, More video of the Gladius @ 800 & 1000 yds

    No clue what the velocity is... enough to reach 1025 yards consistently and hit a small target.

    I know I can hit the same target at sea level with 175gr ammo going about 2575fps, which is what the average was for that stuff.

    You can't really work it backwards either because the rifle wasn't even zeroed with 155gr stuff it was zeroed with 175gr stuff and I doped it based off my first shot to account for difference. As I said I shoot 600 yards, on paper, and then noted the differences between the 170 & 155 as I was alternating between the two. I never rezeroed the rifle with the new ammo.
     
    #15
    Re: As if, More video of the Gladius @ 800 & 1000 yds

    Excellent video Lowlight! Michael N, I fired some of the factory 155 Scenars last week out of my 18" AI AE Mk1 with SAS can on it. Averaged 2703 fps for a 10 round string, however I'm at 353' above sea level and had 90 degree heat & 83% humidity. Exbal program said 9.7 mils of elevation to reach 1000 yards in these conditions.
     
    #16
    Re: As if, More video of the Gladius @ 800 & 1000 yds

    Mine should be here any day now.....can't wait. George? Hello?
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    #17
    Re: As if, More video of the Gladius @ 800 & 1000 yds

    Mine appears to like both 168SMK factory and my 155 Scenar handloads better than the 170HPS.

    Load is: 155 Scenar, Lapua Brass, CCI BR2, with 45.9 RE15 at 2.830 OAL. In the GAP Palma Match Chamber it nets a 5-round average of 2775fps at 75 degrees from my 18.5" bbl, with an ES of 17, SD of 6, and no pressure signs. It has tested to be sub MOA to 500 so far.

    I had a few rounds of the 170HPS factory show stability problems at 100 and enter the target at a slight angle. On further investigation that problem looked to be confined to either a few boxes of ammo, or the first 100 rounds out of the barrel, I couldn't be sure which. But the 170's still don't shoot as well as do the 168's at 100. The 170's tighten up a bit at distance, for sub MOA at 300-500, but I find their performance to be - at least in my rifle - unpredictable across the course.

    http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...442#Post1252442
     
    #18
    Re: As if, More video of the Gladius @ 800 & 1000 yds

    Graham,

    My .308 is running very close to yours. My load is the 155 Scenar with 46.0/Varget, Lapua brass, Fed210M loaded to 2.800" in a 95'Palma Chamber.

    Barrel is 18.7" and I am clocking around 2760. I might could nudge it up a little faster but this is shooting small and I have no pressure at all when the ammo, rifle and my sweaty ass is around 105* F. GM308M is going 2610 out it. Barrel is a 3 year old Krieger 1-11" with about 3,210 rounds down.

    While not the exact setup as the Gladius, I wanted to post this to add my +1 that a well done .308 with short barrel can certainly do well. This is the way my personal gun stays setup 11 months out of the year. Couple of times a year, I throw a .260 barrel on it (like it matters when the wind is averaging 30mph in south Texas).

    Anybody on the fence about a Gladius should hop off on the GAP side with confidence.

    Very cool vid presentations Frank. Like the Nissan Xterra commercials. . . Everything you need and nothing you don't.
     
    #22
    Re: As if, More video of the Gladius @ 800 & 1000 yds

    FB that is the rifle in that thread, and GA Precision is now offering it as one of their standard builds. I don't know what they are charging for it, but this was built off a donor rifle/action so the cost was not $3k for the rifle, though I suspect the new offering will be close to that figure.

    The rifle being built for that SH Build is actually something different, a different maker, action and options, but the same short barreled idea. I believe the new SH Build with a lot of nice features will be right around $3k and will be offered in a switch barrel capable configuration in either 260REM or 308 with an 18" barrel. I will be testing the action and rifle within 10 days or so, at least the next 2 weeks in 260 with an 18" barrel.

    But this was the basis for the thread discussed, it has since moved in other directions with GAP adding it to their line up and the SHS Build being moved in new direction.
     
    #25
    Re: As if, More video of the Gladius @ 800 & 1000 yds

    i just dont know how you do it. well, practice of course. i swear i cant even see the target when the vid is zoomed in on it. very nice work LL
     
    #28
    Re: As if, More video of the Gladius @ 800 & 1000 yds

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DeSnifter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just curious, what is the weight you have running on the gladius set up as you have listed?</div></div>

    I have no idea, I don't get wrapped around the axle of those details... never weighed it ?

    I am sure you can trim a few oz changing up the stock a bit, but otherwise it's not very heavy
     
    #29
    Re: As if, More video of the Gladius @ 800 & 1000 yds

    I was more curious if you would consider it a carry precision rifle. I have an M14 setup that weighs in at around 18 lbs so needless to say it doesn't go beyond the range. I am looking at the gladius as an option to go out hunting with. Would you recommend it for this?
     
    #31
    Re: As if, More video of the Gladius @ 800 & 1000 yds

    You shot that with a 15x magnifacation?? Im having trouble seeing a bowling pin about that size at 700 yards with my 15x mag.. Amazing shooting as always mr lowlight.. Never cease to amaze me.
     
    #32
    Re: As if, More video of the Gladius @ 800 & 1000 yds

    I don't usually shoot anything over 16X, very rare if I do... 90% of my scopes are 15X or 16X in fact I have shot that with 12X quite a bit.

    I don't see how anyone could have an issue "Seeing" anything with even 12X at 1000 yards.

    The target is small but not that small. Still 1.5 MOA tall, although it is .875 MOA wide, even a 10X should see it.
     
    #33
    Re: As if, More video of the Gladius @ 800 & 1000 yds

    Just wait until you get a bit older youngster and the 'ole eyes start giving it up!

    But I do agree, above 16, I have a problem with the aberrations and mirage just seem to go up exponentially with even 56mm glass.
     
    #34
    Re: As if, More video of the Gladius @ 800 & 1000 yds

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Carnivore</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just wait until you get a bit older youngster and the 'ole eyes start giving it up!

    But I do agree, above 16, I have a problem with the aberrations and mirage just seem to go up exponentially with even 56mm glass. </div></div>

    John

    Hate to break it too you, I am pretty close to blind in both eyes, I have like 20/400 or something -- you know those eye charts, they have that big giant E, well that is the only full line I can read with my right eye.
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