I think too slow for such big grains. When you are lucky you are dropping .06 grains. When you are not so lucky you are dropping clumps of .06 grains.
@John Glidewell beat me to it.My bad.
Where did Adam discourage it? I think that is bad info. It is the user manual and Adam even said you can use the leveling feet on the scale to add or remove some tilt. The shims are really nice. I will try setting up for N570 wiht a large shim and see if it runs. I know it was tested and required some added tilt to get it to flow properly.Yeah, I have read about doing this in this thread, and that Adam discourages it.
Honestly for the volume of 50 BMG I load, I'll just use the uniflow and a hand trickler next time. Not worth futzing with it for small volume cartridge.
Just disappointing that I find myself here. One would have thought that some proper beta-testing would have easily identified this problem, especially since the inability of the hopper on the V3 to handle N570 seems to have been part of the reason behind the V4.
In good news, it drips RL15 like a champ.![]()
Remember. Once you get the small tube flow around .20 you will have to play with speeds. For example: I run RL15.5 and VV N555. One requires shim #1, the other requires shim #3. They both run with large tube speed at 5 but the small tube speed is 5 and 7. They both throw dead nuts 8 to 10 seconds. It took some time playing with numbers but once you have it, write it down. I put that data in the load book for the rifle. Every powder is different but don't be afraid to play with tilt and speed. Once you spend time with it, it becomes more intuitive.Thanks guys, when I use RL50 next time, I'll try shims and see if that messes up the large tube or not
I understand. I did not have that much trouble setting mine up once I understood how to change the speeds and understood where the flow rates needed to be. I would buy one again in a heartbeat.The disparities in peoples’ experiences are truly bizarre.
10-12 seconds for me. I struggle to seat the bullets as fast as the Autotrickler throws charges.So, with the V4, what's the average time for a drop of Varget (taking overthows into account)?
I figured out I can manually drop a charge of Varget to the kernel (+/- 0.02gr) in 20 seconds on average. This is using caveman tools: a Lyman Brass Smith powder measure, their Brass Smith trickler, combined with a good, fast and precise scale (Ohaus SPX123, 0.001g/0.02gr resolution).
Yes, dropping them manually is tedious and annoying, but it's not really slow, just semi-painful if loading more than 100 at a time.
I'm hoping for "half as annoying" more so than "half the time" with the V4 lol...
I'm sure the app can be put on a website when things take a harder left.I believe the disparities from person to person are due to the stacking of variances (tilt degree, balance of scale, speed setting, etc). Thus when a calibration is ran, two people, both with H4350 will have different flow amounts, etc. While I didn't really experience much of an issue with the V4 I have decided to sell it and order a SuperTrickler. This decision was mostly driven by wanting to move away from an app API that could be removed from the app store at any point in time.
I am not sure how one could download an app without it going through the app store. iPhone user here.I'm sure the app can be put on a website when things take a harder left.
iphone user also. Didn't realize iphone apps can only be downloaded from the app store. Hopefully necessity is still a motherI am not sure how one could download an app without it going through the app store. iPhone user here.
I guess worst case scenario the app becomes a download to be used on a laptop w/ bluetooth or something. Maybe even a website API.iphone user also. Didn't realize iphone apps can only be downloaded from the app store. Hopefully necessity is still a mother
Ok the RL50 struggle is real - you there can shim the crap out of it even high enough to stop the small tube dispensing it will frustrate you, I got it down over 2 days with some cussing and some experiments with restricting flow in the big tube , still experimenting, but I’m throwing 137 gr every time in approximately 16 seconds, if I had control ie manual adjustments on the calibration speeds , it would be easier , takes an additional 30 seconds for me to change from a “ normal “ powder to RL50 and I’m golden, if anyone is interested in me writing up the workaround, I’ll get it wrapped up on Monday or soThanks guys, when I use RL50 next time, I'll try shims and see if that messes up the large tube or not
That sounds like you are shiming the wrong direction. You shim from back, tilting it forward so the flow rate increases.Ok the RL50 struggle is real - you there can shim the crap out of it even high enough to stop the small tube dispensing
Lol no not with RL50 it dumps tons , even with significant shimming of the front , you need to slow the volume not increase itThat sounds like you are shiming the wrong direction. You shim from back, tilting it forward so the flow rate increases.
And you can access the individual ideal speed controls. Press and hold close and the advanced settings menu opens.
@John Glidewell , I must be missing something here, can you share your process while using RL50 - I would be very interested in understanding how you got it to calibrate, by shimming the rear of the scale ?Lol no not with RL50 it dumps tons , even with significant shimming of the front , you need to slow the volume not increase it
Shimming the v4 is what I’m talking about - n570 is not RL50 , it seems similar in powder grain size to 8133 - witch I have zero issue running with the v4, when you have time I would like to continue this conversationYou don't shim the scale. Shim the V4 from the rear single pad on the back. It is in the instructions. I shared settings for N570 which was just a quick test and was working well with minimal tuning. I know I can get it to run really good. I do not have time to go through all this right now match preps for next wkend.
Ok when you get to RL50 please report back, and anyone else successfully using RL50 please chime inIt's the same no mater the powder. Shim and calibrate until small tube flow is .2 to .23 the go into advanced settings and adjust large and small tube speeds and set your transition weight at 2 grains or higher. Keep playing with those settings until you can get an 8 to 10 second throw that is accurate. Note your settings and shims for each powder.
Really down and dirty test. Ran the biggest #5 shim and calibrated with N570. Set to throw 90 grains and it would over throw by a single kernel. 90 to 90.08 but the flow rate is a bit high. If I went to #4 shim and adjusted speed it would be fine. Took less than 5 min.
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I’ll give that a tryDid you push and hold on close? That's how you get into advanced settings.
Would you please share where you found the shim kit? I read the entire thread pretty carefully and didn't see any specific references to where these are sourced. I'd like something better than card stock or folded painters tape.It's the same no mater the powder. Shim and calibrate until small tube flow is .2 to .23 the go into advanced settings and adjust large and small tube speeds and set your transition weight at 2 grains or higher. Keep playing with those settings until you can get an 8 to 10 second throw that is accurate. Note your settings and shims for each powder.
I've been on the fence with upgrading my V3 to a V4 for a while now, but I have heard a lot lately about people upgrading the V3 to the use the Ingenuity Precision trickling system paired with the V3. Any one have any experience with the IP trickler that also upgraded from 3-4? Thoughts on which would be the best system?
I have been back and forth on the same. I have a v2 with some upgrades and the Bluetooth. I have been thinking about getting the IP. I think I have made my mind up to go ahead and buy the v4 bc I do like that it takes less space, but give it a try if I don't like it sell it and get me a IP. From what I can tell the v4 will never be as accurate as the IP but if it's +- .02 95% of the time I can live with that and save the money. The IP is just a better design how it separates the kernels. The super trickler ,v3 or ,v4 will never be as accurate.I've been on the fence with upgrading my V3 to a V4 for a while now, but I have heard a lot lately about people upgrading the V3 to the use the Ingenuity Precision trickling system paired with the V3. Any one have any experience with the IP trickler that also upgraded from 3-4? Thoughts on which would be the best system?