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I have basically stopped tipping, and its paying off.

I only tip when servers serve me at a table. The tip jar at an order counter gets ignored by me because I get my own drink refills, etc. When I tip, I tip in cash directly to the server. That way it's none of the government's business. I don't do the server's tip pool crap - that is just socialist redistribution of wealth.
 
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Once upon a time, I worked at a dude ranch, as THE GUY. When people checked in for their stay, I gave the tour. When people wanted to head out for a day trip off the ranch, I made the arrangements and reservations. If someone wanted a bottle of wine, I made a recommendation, then served the bottle they picked. I cooked every meal, mixed every cocktail, told jokes, made conversation, cleaned shotguns after their sporting clays outing, drove the jeep on the sightseeing excursion around the ranch. Hell, if they called me at 3am needing another 6 pack of beers or a round of drinks brought out to the hot tub, they had them inside 20 minutes. I was generally tipped handsomely for my expertise, my attentiveness, and my ability to anticipate and provide before a person even realized they needed something, and if I wasn't tipped, their name went on THE LIST, and they were not welcome back.

I used to tip service staff at a flat rate of 18%, as a professional courtesy, knowing the curve balls some folks can throw. Now, unless they provide me with the same level of service that I provided others, I don't tip a dime.
 
I don't tip percentages. Does the gal at the fancy steak house work harder than the gal at the greasy spoon diner? Nope, same work, same service. They're lucky to see me tip over $10 for any service or bill size, pretty much would take them crawling under the table cloth to get more out of me. Base tip for me is $5 for a full meal service, $8 if it's me and the wife together, more if they're good but that's rare these days. That $5 tip ends up being 25% for breakfast at the diner, and 8-10% for dinner at the steak house. Both took my order, refilled my drink a time or two, brought my food and more often than not didn't even cash me out, that's what the cash register is for with the manager running that.

Simple scenario at a nice steak house. One hour of dinner service working four tables for two, each for an hour, we all have a $80 ticket. The 20% tip across four tables for that in one hour would be $64.

Now tell me, how many of you are pulling $64 or more an hour, and did you have to do more than remember which hand had the Dr Pepper vs Coke to earn that much? Did your waitress/waiter even get that much right?

Percentage tipping is bullshit.
Only time I ever percentage tipped was with the company card. We ate at the same places and quick service was really nice. Those girls figured out quickly we wanted to get in and out. They were handsomely rewarded.
 
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My tipping essentially ended when min wage went to $15 or whatever it is now. And tipping for take out? Really? Shouldn’t I get a tip for making less work for you?

But, I have 3 kids, which means at least one them is in a pissy mood at any given moment. If a server puts in some effort that results in 3 happy kids. They get tipped. And that means cash in their apron, not some community tip jar.
 
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Right, but this is a whole different animal.

The chick at the coffee counter isn't on 3$/hour+ tips. She's making whatever her hourly deal is, which is higher. Fuck, some of these tards are making 15$/hour to make you horrible coffee.

Now they're wanting that plus the tip all for the fantastic privilege of providing way less service and capability than 10 years ago.

In Europe, the service is knowingly awful. When Americans visit Germany its always hilarious to take them out to dinner or a cafe and watch them get angry about the total lack of service to the point that you think they're fucking with you. The waiter/waitress will show up once at the beginning to ask about drinks. Then on the return of drinks, take your order. Next time you see them there will be food. Next time after that it'll be when they have the check that they expect you to pay right then and there while they fucking stand there. That's it.

Go to a McDonald's in Germany and you'll get 1 ketchup packet and how dare you ask for a second. Order a coffee at a cafe, oh, thats the price per cup because there are no refills.

But we've come to expect that there. They get paid whatever they get paid. We don't tip them unless they do something seriously awesome and thats that. They're also not putting tip jars in my face and expecting a 20% tip for breathing.

I've seen tip jars in the last 6 months at an ACE Hardware, a tire store, multiple drive thru type places, a dry cleaner and the customer service desk at a grocery store. Fuck all of those people.
In my experience in Germany, they won't even do that. You have to ask for the check before they will bring it. You can sit at the Hofbräuhaus München all day after you are done eating. If you don't ask for your check they won't bring it. A local told me it was considered rude for the waiter to bring you the check before you request it. ( sort of like them saying "Get the fuck out").
 
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In my experience in Germany, they won't even do that. You have to ask for the check before they will bring it. You can sit at the Hofbräuhaus München all day after you are done eating. If you don't ask for your check they won't bring it. A local told me it was considered rude for the waiter to bring you the check before you request it. ( sort of like them saying "Get the fuck out").
This is similar to my experience in Italy, most places at least. The staff had a pretty good handle on the service American's tend to expect, to a point, but if you didn't catch your server and ask for the check specifically, it wouldn't ever just show up. All the stuff on the table would just sort of slowly disappear as you finished with it.
 
You cheap bastards.

I count on those singles folded lengthwise to pay my mortgage.

You have no fücking clue how hard it is to dance sexy to The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald, but that’s the expectation.

Hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know.




P
 
I tip... or not, depending on quality of food and service.

I don't tip the jars, unless I get 3¢ in change, and that's were it goes.

What pisses me off is the subliminal shit of trying to get you to tip. Example, bill total is $30.83, so I give them a $50 and $1 note, expecting to get a $20 note and loose change back. But nooo, they fill your hand with a bunch of $1 notes.

If they could see me do it, I'd walk back to the table where I left a $6 tip and replace that $5 note with a couple $1 notes.

One of the things I remember that started this whole thing for me was going to a coffee drive thru down the road from my house. It's staffed with a bunch of what looks like 19- early 20 somethings that I have literally no fucking idea what 50% of them even do when I watch them as I wait for my order. They are supposed to be outside taking orders to make the line move faster but most of the time they just hang out inside and blare music, because you know, why actually do anything?

Get coffees, its just short of 10$. I hand the girl who got off of her IG account on her phone long enough to take it a $20. She comes back to the window a minute later with the coffees and hands them to me. Then with a straight face asks me if I need any change.

Wait...so you're expecting a 11$ tip on a 9$ order? For this? For you? EL O EL Bitch, I'm pretty sure I'd be annoyed if I had to give you that for a blowjob.

Look straight at her with the kind of 'do you think Im fucking retarded' look on my face and say, why wouldnt I? She doesn't say a word back and hands me a 10$ bill back and doesn't actually give me the like 37 cents in coin change lol

The last 2-3 times I ever went back there, the people outside taking orders now literally ask you if you'd like to leave a tip. For making an order in a drive thru. I now actually look forward to saying no, Im good.
 
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One of the things I remember that started this whole thing for me was going to a coffee drive thru down the road from my house. It's staffed with a bunch of what looks like 19- early 20 somethings that I have literally no fucking idea what 50% of them even do when I watch them as I wait for my order. They are supposed to be outside taking orders to make the line move faster but most of the time they just hang out inside and blare music, because you know, why actually do anything?

Get coffees, its just short of 10$. I hand the girl who got off of her IG account on her phone long enough to take it a $20. She comes back to the window a minute later with the coffees and hands them to me. Then with a straight face asks me if I need any change.

Wait...so you're expecting a 11$ tip on a 9$ order? For this? For you? EL O EL Bitch, I'm pretty sure I'd be annoyed if I had to give you that for a blowjob.

Look straight at her with the kind of 'do you think Im fucking retarded' look on my face and say, why wouldnt I? She doesn't say a word back and hands me a 10$ bill back and doesn't actually give me the like 37 cents in coin change lol

The last 2-3 times I ever went back there, the people outside taking orders now literally ask you if you'd like to leave a tip. For making an order in a drive thru. I now actually look forward to saying no, Im good.
If I lived closer I’d definitely frequent that place just to make those idiots cry. That’s entitlement at its finest.
 
Tips are for those who actually participate in making your ‘experience‘ better than average. Counter service? Nope. 7-11? Nope. Tip jars? Nope. Sit down service where they clean tables, polish silverware and glasses, make sure your food is right before throwing it on the table, give you an extra beer or wine pour, and are generally human and pleasant without saying ‘excellent choice’ or ‘perfect’ or ‘that’s my favorite’, probably gets a tip but they better get it right. At $15 an hour minimum, and check averages of $60 per person, servers are taking home north of $40-$60 an hour after tipping out the busser/hostess which means they better get it ’perfect’.. Meanwhile the hot side cooks are sweating their balls off for $18 - $20/hr and in general, you go to a restaurant for the food, not the prima donna mercenary jacked up on coke, drama and attitude. Older waiter/waitress at a diner…I tip heavy.

The worst lately is every shop with counter service and a tip jar where the ‘help’ can’t manage to say hello or anything related to a human interaction because they are too busy chatting it up with their co-workers as if the customers are cattle in the chute. Tip my ass.
 
In my experience in Germany, they won't even do that. You have to ask for the check before they will bring it. You can sit at the Hofbräuhaus München all day after you are done eating. If you don't ask for your check they won't bring it. A local told me it was considered rude for the waiter to bring you the check before you request it. ( sort of like them saying "Get the fuck out").
Yep, same in the Philippines; it's considered very rude to bring your check until you signal for it. Always very attentive service there - just hold your hand up, make a little box with your thumb & forefinger, and your check arrives immediately.
 
The best service I've had is at a local Applebee's (if you can believe it). Food is what you would expect (most likely frozen/microwaved or whatever), but the waitress was great. First time we sat in her section, I took my wife and kids and in-laws out for Christmas Eve dinner (2014). Check was $90. But me, my wife, and her parents were all equally impressed with the service. I ended up tipping $110. Anytime we'd go to Applebee's we'd ask to sit in her section.

That experience showed me what is possible in terms of good service, and I have not seen anything anywhere that quite lives up to it since, though the servers at this particular Applebee's all seem to be far above average.
 
I’ve thought about doing the opposite. Instead of waiting till the end to tip, when I sit down I know roughly what I’m gonna tip. Put that on the table in ones. As the service degrades during the mail start taking dollars away. Whatever is left is what you earned.

And as for tipping people who literally take your order and give a drink and do nothing extra. Yeah fuck that. Not gonna happen.
 
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Right, but this is a whole different animal.

The chick at the coffee counter isn't on 3$/hour+ tips. She's making whatever her hourly deal is, which is higher. Fuck, some of these tards are making 15$/hour to make you horrible coffee.

Now they're wanting that plus the tip all for the fantastic privilege of providing way less service and capability than 10 years ago.

In Europe, the service is knowingly awful. When Americans visit Germany its always hilarious to take them out to dinner or a cafe and watch them get angry about the total lack of service to the point that you think they're fucking with you. The waiter/waitress will show up once at the beginning to ask about drinks. Then on the return of drinks, take your order. Next time you see them there will be food. Next time after that it'll be when they have the check that they expect you to pay right then and there while they fucking stand there. That's it.

Go to a McDonald's in Germany and you'll get 1 ketchup packet and how dare you ask for a second. Order a coffee at a cafe, oh, thats the price per cup because there are no refills.

But we've come to expect that there. They get paid whatever they get paid. We don't tip them unless they do something seriously awesome and thats that. They're also not putting tip jars in my face and expecting a 20% tip for breathing.

I've seen tip jars in the last 6 months at an ACE Hardware, a tire store, multiple drive thru type places, a dry cleaner and the customer service desk at a grocery store. Fuck all of those people.
Go to Germany

Ask for ice for your cocktail

Get 5th level stinkeye

Then, when the ice finally shows up, be happy with two cubes :rolleyes:
 
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Me and tipping, I will and always have tipped as I see the value there. If you are good and take care of me you could see a $10 tip on a $10 bill. I have been known to give $100 on a $50 bill. Just as likely however you will get nothing....it all depends on the server.

Story time:

In my youth a buddy and I would go out every friday night to this place called Tippins. Basically home style type food, and they sold all kinds of really good pie. So about 7pm these two kids (17-18-ish) would drift in to the very crowded place for coffee and a slice of pie. It did not take long for the staff to learn who we are. It would be standing room only and we would walk in and get seated right away. We did hear people complain.

Why, we tipped heavy. I am betting back then coffee and pie was under $5, we generally tipped $20. The service we got was fantastic, we had not planned it this way, but when you are that young living at home and have a good job paying good money, good for even an "adult" we had money to burn....so we basically did.

Nothing pissed me off more then this unessential bull shit.
 
You cheap bastards.

I count on those singles folded lengthwise to pay my mortgage.

You have no fücking clue how hard it is to dance sexy to The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald, but that’s the expectation.

Hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know.




P
Dancing sexy to Wreck of the Edmond Fitzgerald is quite a skill....


You got that going for you.....
 
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First time i was in usa i tipped. Cos i was told to.

Second time i was in usa i didnt tip. Your service is no better than where im from in australia. Not paying for a "service" i didnt receive.
 
Go to Germany

Ask for ice for your cocktail

Get 5th level stinkeye

Then, when the ice finally shows up, be happy with two cubes :rolleyes:

Oh yeah, that's the 'you get what you get because thats what you get' thing I mentioned.

Ask for a napkin and you get ONE, single napkin.

Any soda you order will be basically room temperature with no ice. Ask for ice and it's like you're weird or something. Then you get ice cubes so old and small that they either instantly melt, or actually...never melt.

Cup of coffee? Yeah, that price is for one cup. There are no refills. Oh and the cup is like 1/4 the size you think it would be.

Don't you even think about going back up to the salad bar after sitting down.

Then there's the whole random ass people sitting at your table with you all of a sudden thing.
 
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Five and change tip on a sixteen and change lunchtab today. I was supporting the meho's today in honor of the exclusively gringo holiday of sinko da mayo.
 
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Having just spent the week on a business trip, I enjoyed the "Add a tip" for the cashier who did nothing but take my order at the pizza/sandwhich/etc shop. It defaults to 18%. Luckily I learned my letters and numbers (long story for another time), clicked other and typed zero. This seems to be everywhere now.

Delivery? There's a delivery fee and tip. Holy Crap. And my kids want to door dash all the time. What a waste of hard earned cash. Especially with the 50% failure to deliver rate. Good thing they pay for that as I would be hanging people as a warning the first time it happened.

Yes we tip in the United States. We tip our severs. Not the a-hole who runs the cash register.
 
Oh yeah, that's the 'you get what you get because thats what you get' thing I mentioned.

Ask for a napkin and you get ONE, single napkin.

Any soda you order will be basically room temperature with no ice. Ask for ice and it's like you're weird or something. Then you get ice cubes so old and small that they either instantly melt, or actually...never melt.

Cup of coffee? Yeah, that price is for one cup. There are no refills. Oh and the cup is like 1/4 the size you think it would be.

Don't you even think about going back up to the salad bar after sitting down.

Then there's the whole random ass people sitting at your table with you all of a sudden thing.
I have to say I have been very lucky in Germany. I have had great service the two times I have been to Berlin. Both times were for trades shows. Even got mistaken for a German until I told them I couldn't read German. Must have been the suit I was wearing. Anyway I found my experiences in Germany very good.
 
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I have to say I have been very lucky in Germany. I have had great service the two times I have been to Berlin. Both times were for trades shows. Even got mistaken for a German until I told them I couldn't read German. Must have been the suit I was wearing. Anyway I found my experiences in Germany very good.
Musta been wearing black pointy shoes, black socks, a scarf and black leather pants. Oh, and "Citroen" spectacles.........
 
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1. I only tip if service is exceptional.
2. if so then I overtip, a little.
3. I tip in cash only. I point it out to the server, so the bus boy doesn't get it, or a different waiter.
I don't know if this is still the case, but friends of mine who were servers told me that they were paid a small amount, and relied ontips, however, when issued a w2, the employer withheld at a rate of whatever the minimum wage was in the state. That meant if it was a 10 dollar minimum wage, restaurant workers being paid 6 $ an hour, were taxed against that 10 dollar level, and had to make it up with tips, and keep track of them to deduct the shortfall, and get it back from the Feds.
I usually hand it to the waiter, or if someone else comes to clear or brings the check, I go looking for the waiter to make sure HE (or she) gets the cash. A lot of wait staff have to pool tips, and split it with the busers, and sometimes even the kitchen, so some of them lay back and let the real producers generate the money, which is another reason I hand them cash, and do it surreptitiously. I prefer to reward a person who is trying hard, individually.
 
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Took the wife out to eat last night. Service was ok, nothing great. Food was ok, got the bill. 34 and change. I handed the little old man behind the register a 50. He stood there trying to figure out my change, about that time the server walked up, obviously trying to help the confused elderly man....I just laughed and told the server to keep the change. That 15 bucks isn't going to break me, plus it was easier for me to walk off happy.
 
It’s everywhere, last week I swear the subway kid spent more time telling me about how much it costs him to drive to work and how the tip button works on the cc pad than making my sandwich. To make it even funnier he walked out as I was leaving to his car and had a huge Beto sticker. At some point you would think it might dawn on him to ask, why does it cost himself twice as much to live as 3 years ago and who did this to me?
 
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Its funny listening to people who have never worked wait staff at a restaurant bitching about tipping servers

Seriously, go experience it first hand. Its a lot more work than you think. Last time I worked wait staff was 2015 and when I worked a double, lunch and dinner, it was generally a+12 hour day my phone would log over +20,000 steps generally 10 to 12miles in my fitness app.

There are crappy workers out there, i’ve run into many. Thats just life, but a few months of experience at a restaurant I think would open your eyes up to what it actually is, you might not believe it but it’s actually extremely labor intensive work.
 
Its funny listening to people who have never worked wait staff at a restaurant bitching about tipping servers

Seriously, go experience it first hand. Its a lot more work than you think. Last time I worked wait staff was 2015 and when I worked a double, lunch and dinner, it was generally a+12 hour day my phone would log over +20,000 steps generally 10 to 12miles in my fitness app.

There are crappy workers out there, i’ve run into many. Thats just life, but a few months of experience at a restaurant I think would open your eyes up to what it actually is, you might not believe it but it’s actually extremely labor intensive work.

I worked at a bbq place for a summer job in a slightly richy-rich area (couple private christian schools, a lakefront community etc).

The working class people tipped. The rich people not-super-religous people tipped fat.

The ones who came in after church all dressed nice driving a land rover? Exact change lol.
 
I'm sure a lot of you have noticed the paradigm shift in the last 2-3 years where literally everything has one (or multiple) tip jars hanging around and you're being physically asked for a tip, sometimes multiple different ways, during a transaction.

Well, my response to this over-saturation of bullshit when comparing it to the average level of service and abysmal decline in IQ, while at the same time noticing a drastic increase in the ability to just fuck everything up, all of the time, is to simply not fucking tip anyone unless they do something rather spectacular to actually earn it.

Apparently this is something they count on as well at this point. Went to a cafe/bakery with the wife this past weekend. The dumb as fuck girl working the counter at this hoity toity place (where she says perfect! after any coherent thing you say, because that is apparently the 1 word her brain allows her to save for use at any time) decided to not only physically fucking mention the tip jar to me after assuming that doing 11.3 seconds of work that involved filling a coffee cup and handling a pastry that someone else made merited that; but then tapped her key on the checkout screen and stood there staring at it while she waited to see how much of an awesome tip I was leaving her. How do I know this? Her demeanor and the look on her face went from feeling successful because she remembered she still had $17 in her checking account and wasn't over-drafted as usual to realizing that I had just drank her soul with the straw she had given me. Tasty.

Sorry jobbers, that tip you were counting on because 'thats how we've always done it' has gone into my OnlyFans piggy bank or something. Or Ill just keep it and go swimming in it like Scrouge McDuck, or rub it on my balls or something more useful than giving it to you. I don't know - you're just not getting any of it, so whatever. Which by the way, why is it that whenever I ever give money to anyone 30 and under, I always just feel like I'm funding vape, and failure? It's like knowingly funding terrorism, but for people who are too stupid to actually be terrorists?

But don't be mad at me!

It's really your fault. When you got bold enough that a simple, modest tip jar wasn't enough and instead, you needed to make them the giant pretzel barrel size and put multiples of them in multiple areas (like they cant be fucking seen from the parking lot), you just flew too close to the sun. Ironically, you wont get that reference because, well, you're stupid. Then doubling down and setting up your fancy iPad credit card thing to, by default, leave you a 20% tip, has me where we're at right now - you get nothing, and you're going to fucking love it. But lets be honest for a second; you really just do the bare minimum on average and even then, you still completely suck at like everything the rest of the time. Were you born 50-75 years ago you would have been eaten by a bear or fallen into a mineshaft already.

I need you to embrace the fact that before I even see you, or ignore how you say 'perfect!' to anything I fucking say while we both know that you're brain is still loading at 37% trying to put together the 3 simple tasks I just gave you, that I have already determined that you are not getting shit from me. Nothing. Zero. Nada. It's like a trophy for me at this point that has already given me visions of making an app to keep track of how much tip cash you fucked a millennial out of, with leader-boards and monthly contests.

I bite my thumb at you, poors!

That was a gem.

Sometimes it pays to read the world wall.

I tip my hat to you.
 
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I tip according to service at sit down restaurants. The young lady today did exceptionally well and didn't charge the standard 18% gratuity for a party of 8. I tipped 30% because it's rare to get that kind of service nowadays, especially when the place is packed. If service sucks and the place is empty, they get no tip or a really shitty tip.
 
I worked at a bbq place for a summer job in a slightly richy-rich area (couple private christian schools, a lakefront community etc).

The working class people tipped. The rich people not-super-religous people tipped fat.

The ones who came in after church all dressed nice driving a land rover? Exact change lol.
I did Chilis for 3 years out of HighSchool. Without doubt the worst tippers and the people who ran/ wasted the most time were Sunday church rush, especially If they were 3-4generations deep with no male adults. They’ve already given their pocket change to the church you ain’t getting shit. I got to where I would refuse to work Sunday lunch. Plus it was the worst day for noshows because everybody was out partying Saturday night. So most people were hung over and you were short staffed.

I found the 2nd most stingy crowd were military folk. The chilies I worked at is about a mile and a half from the Eastgate at Hurlburt Field. So we used to get a lot of airmen for lunch. They would get their 10% military discount and they tip you less than their military discount... stingy bastards. Always avoided those tables too, I was fucking one of the hostesses at the time so she would always hook me up with who we assumed might be decent tippers.
 
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I did Chilis for 3 years out of HighSchool. Without doubt the worst tippers and the people who ran/ wasted the most time were Sunday church rush, especially If they were 3-4generations deep with no male adults. They’ve already given their pocket change to the church you ain’t getting shit. I got to where I would refuse to work Sunday lunch. Plus it was the worst day for noshows because everybody was out partying Saturday night. So most people were hung over and you were short staffed.

I found the 2nd most stingy crowd were military folk. The chilies I worked at is about a mile and a half from the Eastgate at Hurlburt Field. So we used to get a lot of airmen for lunch. They would get their 10% military discount and they tip you less than their military discount... stingy bastards. Always avoided those tables too, I was fucking one of the hostesses at the time so she would always hook me up with who we assumed might be decent tippers.


Man, I sure feel sorry for you. You sure must have had to work hard walking so much, carrying so much food, remembering to write down all those orders and bring ketchup and a fresh soda. I hope you didn't strain yourself wrapping all that silver and wiping menus.

Chili's? Working a 12 hour double? Yeah, boohoo.
 
For those old enough to remember Adam 12 (see the man)...

Malloy and Reed are having lunch at a diner. The waitress is fat, old ugly and rude. As they are leaving, the waitress, yells, "A dime? That's not a tip." Reed responds, "No ma'am. That's a hint."

I occasionally leave hints.

I did not read all three pages so if someone already mentioned this, well... enjoy again.