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    companies with 99 or fewer are not in danger from covid regardless of the amount if public contact, and thus excluded from the mandate.
    companies with >100 staffers that work entirely from home with zero work related contact with the public are in terrible danger!

    yes, that is how fucking stupid they are, or think you are.
     

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    There are things I'd like to say... I should read the coc here first lol.

    As long as you are not shitting on LEO, advocating stupid shit, trying to sell your once loved ARFCOM gear without having paid twenty dollars........Lowlights favorite saying is "Twenty dollars is Twenty dollars"........you should be good to go.
     
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    This blog post touches on the wide variety of hypocrisy surrounding vaccine mandates, masks, shutdowns, etc. A buddy wrote it to point out, in a concise manner, all the false logic being used by those who want an eternal pandemic.


    Your buddy did a good job.

    His take is logical and highlights how much stupidity there is around how covid has been dealt with.
     

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    You just print it. That’s exactly how to pay for the crazy “infrastructure bill” as well.
    Which is 100% spot-on. Hence inflation is going through the roof; followed by (if we ever get a real conservative in office again), VERY high interest rates to defeat the inflation, followed by what could be this time a complete collapse of the economy since one reason the interest is so low is to be able to afford to service the debt.

    99.5% of Americans cannot compute this, have zero understanding of economics. I know multiple people with higher level STEM degrees that don't get this either.
     

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    Which is 100% spot-on. Hence inflation is going through the roof; followed by (if we ever get a real conservative in office again), VERY high interest rates to defeat the inflation, followed by what could be this time a complete collapse of the economy since one reason the interest is so low is to be able to afford to service the debt.

    99.5% of Americans cannot compute this, have zero understanding of economics. I know multiple people with higher level STEM degrees that don't get this either.

    Fiscal policy has nothing to do with inflation. Anyone who tells you that knows absolutely shit about monetary economics. "Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon."
     
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    Fiscal policy has nothing to do with inflation. Anyone who tells you that knows absolutely shit about monetary economics. "Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon."
    So you are telling me that pumping (printing more money) and putting it into the economy means that the value of a single dollar bill does not decrease? Interesting. I did not know that. I guess that if there are millions and millions of surplus rounds of ammo, the ammo then will go up in price and not down, and if there is a shortage of available ammo, then the price of ammo will go down. Hmmm. I'll use that theory next time I go look from primers, ammo, components, etc.
     
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    So you are telling me that pumping (printing more money) and putting it into the economy means that the value of a single dollar bill does not decrease? Interesting. I did not know that. I guess that if there are millions and millions of surplus rounds of ammo, the ammo then will go up in price and not down, and if there is a shortage of available ammo, then the price of ammo will go down. Hmmm. I'll use that theory next time I go look from primers, ammo, components, etc.
    That guy is a known shill. Block him and don’t look back.
     

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    Which is 100% spot-on. Hence inflation is going through the roof; followed by (if we ever get a real conservative in office again), VERY high interest rates to defeat the inflation, followed by what could be this time a complete collapse of the economy since one reason the interest is so low is to be able to afford to service the debt.

    99.5% of Americans cannot compute this, have zero understanding of economics. I know multiple people with higher level STEM degrees that don't get this either.


    Dont worry AOC is an economics major from one of the vaunted Massachusetts higher education systems.
     
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    So you are telling me that pumping (printing more money) and putting it into the economy means that the value of a single dollar bill does not decrease? Interesting. I did not know that. I guess that if there are millions and millions of surplus rounds of ammo, the ammo then will go up in price and not down, and if there is a shortage of available ammo, then the price of ammo will go down. Hmmm. I'll use that theory next time I go look from primers, ammo, components, etc.

    No, that's absolutely not what I'm telling you. While Congress has the power to "print" money (the actual power is to coin money and determine its value), it gave that power to the Federal Reserve in 1913. Your claim was in response to a discussion about the INFRASTRUCTURE BILL, which while it's terrible policy and I would have opposed literally every word of it, the infrastructure bill is not the cause of inflation. Loose monetary policy is the cause of inflation every single time. Fiscal policy has nothing to do with inflation, and anyone who tells you that lacks even a principles level understanding of monetary economics. I have noticed, recently, in conservative circles, people keep talking about the inflation that is happening and blaming fiscal policy. I resent that because it takes the blame away from the people who should be blamed for inflation--those who make monetary policy, specifically, the Federal Reserve's board of governors.

    Price theory also has nothing to do with monetary economics. If you want to debate that, too, I'm happy to do so, but let's stay on target here. My claim was exclusively related to you responding to the other guy about the infrastructure bill.

    Milton Friedman, in addition to the quote regarding inflation, was famous for saying that his naysayers either used shoddy economics or no economics at all. The people blaming fiscal policy instead of the fed for inflation are engaged in just that. The fed could make inflation negative overnight if it had the will to do so, regardless of what fiscal policy Congress passed. That is, because as Friedman said, "Inflation is everywhere and always a monetary phenomenon."
     

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    No, that's absolutely not what I'm telling you. While Congress has the power to "print" money (the actual power is to coin money and determine its value), it gave that power to the Federal Reserve in 1913. Your claim was in response to a discussion about the INFRASTRUCTURE BILL, which while it's terrible policy and I would have opposed literally every word of it, the infrastructure bill is not the cause of inflation. Loose monetary policy is the cause of inflation every single time. Fiscal policy has nothing to do with inflation, and anyone who tells you that lacks even a principles level understanding of monetary economics. I have noticed, recently, in conservative circles, people keep talking about the inflation that is happening and blaming fiscal policy. I resent that because it takes the blame away from the people who should be blamed for inflation--those who make monetary policy, specifically, the Federal Reserve's board of governors.

    Price theory also has nothing to do with monetary economics. If you want to debate that, too, I'm happy to do so, but let's stay on target here. My claim was exclusively related to you responding to the other guy about the infrastructure bill.

    Milton Friedman, in addition to the quote regarding inflation, was famous for saying that his naysayers either used shoddy economics or no economics at all. The people blaming fiscal policy instead of the fed for inflation are engaged in just that. The fed could make inflation negative overnight if it had the will to do so, regardless of what fiscal policy Congress passed. That is, because as Friedman said, "Inflation is everywhere and always a monetary phenomenon."
    I'm with you now.
     

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    No, that's absolutely not what I'm telling you. While Congress has the power to "print" money (the actual power is to coin money and determine its value), it gave that power to the Federal Reserve in 1913. Your claim was in response to a discussion about the INFRASTRUCTURE BILL, which while it's terrible policy and I would have opposed literally every word of it, the infrastructure bill is not the cause of inflation. Loose monetary policy is the cause of inflation every single time. Fiscal policy has nothing to do with inflation, and anyone who tells you that lacks even a principles level understanding of monetary economics. I have noticed, recently, in conservative circles, people keep talking about the inflation that is happening and blaming fiscal policy. I resent that because it takes the blame away from the people who should be blamed for inflation--those who make monetary policy, specifically, the Federal Reserve's board of governors.

    Price theory also has nothing to do with monetary economics. If you want to debate that, too, I'm happy to do so, but let's stay on target here. My claim was exclusively related to you responding to the other guy about the infrastructure bill.

    Milton Friedman, in addition to the quote regarding inflation, was famous for saying that his naysayers either used shoddy economics or no economics at all. The people blaming fiscal policy instead of the fed for inflation are engaged in just that. The fed could make inflation negative overnight if it had the will to do so, regardless of what fiscal policy Congress passed. That is, because as Friedman said, "Inflation is everywhere and always a monetary phenomenon."

    Monetary policy doesn't happen in a vacuum. It the Fed prints $3.5 trillion and buys government debt, which funds fiscal policy, it has no effect on inflation?
     
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    Monetary policy doesn't happen in a vacuum. It the Fed prints $3.5 trillion and buys government debt, which funds fiscal policy, it has no effect on inflation?

    The fed's decision to buy debt is monetary policy, not fiscal policy. The fed could choose not to buy the bonds and the treasury would have to sell them to someone else. Either way the fiscal policy is funded. But it's the fed decision that affect money supply--not the fiscal policy.

    Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon. It's simple, really.
     

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    The fed's decision to buy debt is monetary policy, not fiscal policy. The fed could choose not to buy the bonds and the treasury would have to sell them to someone else. Either way the fiscal policy is funded. But it's the fed decision that affect money supply--not the fiscal policy.

    Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon. It's simple, really.
    You can keep quoting Milton Friedman and it won't change the fact that fiscal policy can in fact cause or contribute to inflation. I understand your argument and it is semantics. Have a good one.
     

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    You can keep quoting Milton Friedman and it won't change the fact that fiscal policy can in fact cause or contribute to inflation. I understand your argument and it is semantics. Have a good one.
    Semantics is the linguistic school associated with meaning. Of course it's semantics!

    I think if I understand your response correctly, you simply don't want to acknowledge that you're wrong. Inflation has NOTHING to do with fiscal policy. Anyone who tells you it does is selling you snake oil.
     

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    Y'all can quote this or that, spell things differently, do your best to one up the other, but to me it only matters that once I buy everything I need and pay my bills each month, I seem to have less and less in my pocket. I'm retired, so I can't work more hours to get a better paycheck. My wife still works, so we have that. My savings don't mean as much as it did 2 years ago.

    Ammo and gun prices are through the roof. Gasoline has more than doubled too. My real estate taxes have increased too.

    You all can call it whatever you want, but I'll just call it criminal. How's that?
     

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    Y'all can quote this or that, spell things differently, do your best to one up the other, but to me it only matters that once I buy everything I need and pay my bills each month, I seem to have less and less in my pocket. I'm retired, so I can't work more hours to get a better paycheck. My wife still works, so we have that. My savings don't mean as much as it did 2 years ago.

    Ammo and gun prices are through the roof. Gasoline has more than doubled too. My real estate taxes have increased too.

    You all can call it whatever you want, but I'll just call it criminal. How's that?
    My main point that seems to be missing is that we need to blame the institution responsible--the fed.

    There are always winners and losers to inflation. I have wanted there to be some inflation for some time for a number of reasons (debt, real estate), although of course I'm not happy paying $6 a pound for brisket or $4 a gallon for 91 octane gasoline in the meantime. I do think a recession is coming in the next two years though, which will bring prices back down.
     

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    My main point that seems to be missing is that we need to blame the institution responsible--the fed.

    There are always winners and losers to inflation. I have wanted there to be some inflation for some time for a number of reasons (debt, real estate), although of course I'm not happy paying $6 a pound for brisket or $4 a gallon for 91 octane gasoline in the meantime. I do think a recession is coming in the next two years though, which will bring prices back down.

    About the time a new Republican led Congress takes office???
     

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    Looks like my wife's work responded almost immediately to this by sending out a message regarding travel and vaccination.

    It is almost like they know what the result will be....

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    In other news I see Kenya is instituting Covid measures.

    Far as I know the tropics have very few covid issues.

    Where is central planning on this shit?
     

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    Fuck it, might as well just fuckin bend over and let them do as they please with our lives. I had to explain to my boss that telework is not a fuckin privilege when it’s outlined as one of two options in the DOD guidance for those pending waivers. To make it more frustrating is that they care more about their tracker (stat report) not being green across the board because I fuckin refuse to check an option on a federal fucking document (right above where the other box says that if the information is not true then I could face imprisonment, fines, or both) that doesn’t apply to my situation. But noooooooo he “won’t have his stat report incomplete”

    This is why this shit has gone on this fucking long. You have the corrupt at the top abusing their power and the non-corrupt ones running around enforcing shit below them even though they are too fucking retarded to tie their own shoes.

    Fuck.
     

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    Fuck it, might as well just fuckin bend over and let them do as they please with our lives. I had to explain to my boss that telework is not a fuckin privilege when it’s outlined as one of two options in the DOD guidance for those pending waivers. To make it more frustrating is that they care more about their tracker (stat report) not being green across the board because I fuckin refuse to check an option on a federal fucking document (right above where the other box says that if the information is not true then I could face imprisonment, fines, or both) that doesn’t apply to my situation. But noooooooo he “won’t have his stat report incomplete”

    This is why this shit has gone on this fucking long. You have the corrupt at the top abusing their power and the non-corrupt ones running around enforcing shit below them even though they are too fucking retarded to tie their own shoes.

    Fuck.

    Mentioned somewhere else this shit is psychological.......

    It empowers the weak to think they are finally doing something beneficial for mankind....like they wake up every day and save a life.

    And on the other side once you take the shot you have to support it because if you believe VAERS you are the walking dead.

    Worlds biggest psyop use the Millgram expirement as its base.
     
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    Mentioned somewhere else this shit is psychological?

    It empowers the weak to think they are finally doing something beneficial for mankind....like they wake up every day and save a life.

    And on the other side once you take the shot you have to support it because if you believe VAERS you are the walking dead.

    Worlds biggest psyop use the Millgram expirement as its base.
    Came across the CDC paperwork they hand out to DoD peeps getting it. Pretty much a double-sided ad for the CDC's smartphone app that "checks in on you" throughout the day and over the course of your shot schedule and periodic follow-ups across the long term. #NotTodayGovernmentISISPhoneApp
     

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    Mentioned somewhere else this shit is psychological?

    It empowers the weak to think they are finally doing something beneficial for mankind....like they wake up every day and save a life.

    And on the other side once you take the shot you have to support it because if you believe VAERS you are the walking dead.

    Worlds biggest psyop use the Millgram expirement as its base.
    Early on there were those that felt empowered by the rhetoric of "front line heroes". They stood in the entrance of the stores and spewed the government line of you needing a mask and to social distance blah blah blah. In this area most were met with STFU or just ignored. So their empowerment did not last long.
    Sure there are plenty around here that you can see walking down the street alone with a mask on and many that don't want to be in a confrontation so yeah, The sheep give credence to the empowering of the idiots.
     

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    Early on there were those that felt empowered by the rhetoric of "front line heroes". They stood in the entrance of the stores and spewed the government line of you needing a mask and to social distance blah blah blah. In this area most were met with STFU or just ignored. So their empowerment did not last long.
    Sure there are plenty around here that you can see walking down the street alone with a mask on and many that don't want to be in a confrontation so yeah, The sheep give credence to the empowering of the idiots.
    Or driving a car alone with a mask on.

    WTF?
     

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    My main point that seems to be missing is that we need to blame the institution responsible--the fed.

    There are always winners and losers to inflation. I have wanted there to be some inflation for some time for a number of reasons (debt, real estate), although of course I'm not happy paying $6 a pound for brisket or $4 a gallon for 91 octane gasoline in the meantime. I do think a recession is coming in the next two years though, which will bring prices back down.
    I agree, the FED itself is complete cluster F; but I don't think it's as easy as separating fiscal policy from the Fed monetary policy. Combine the two and you have what we have now.
     

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    I agree, the FED itself is complete cluster F; but I don't think it's as easy as separating fiscal policy from the Fed monetary policy. Combine the two and you have what we have now.
    It really is that simple. If you don't believe me, take an economics course. Even a 100 level student with enough mastery of the material to get an A will tell you exactly what I'm saying. Fiscal policy has nothing to do with inflation.
     

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    It really is that simple. If you don't believe me, take an economics course. Even a 100 level student with enough mastery of the material to get an A will tell you exactly what I'm saying. Fiscal policy has nothing to do with
    whatever dude. Have fun. Potato patatoh...whatever... I hope you have a nice day and nice life. And may you go flat fucking broke too. You are a POS going around calling people stupid. I don't know you nor you know me, yet you throw insults around you are some kind of super genius smarter than Einstein.

    I'll add this:
    Another circumstance (causing inflation) is discretionary fiscal policy, which is when the government either spends more or taxes less. Putting extra money in people's pockets increases demand and spurs inflation. Source: thebalance.com.
     
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    whatever dude. Have fun. Potato patatoh...whatever... I hope you have a nice day and nice life. And may you go flat fucking broke too.
    If you don't care about the truth, a forum is not the place for you. A forum is a place where people come together to discuss issues.

    If you don't believe that the fed could cripple the economy to the point of there being deflation, you're not just ignorant of basic economic theory, you're also not much of a student of history. The ability to control the value of money is an incredible power. That's why we gave it to Congress in our Constitution, because we wanted to be able to hold them politically accountable. They they gave away that incredible power to a basically unaccountable bunch of bureaucrats, and look what it has done to the money over the last 108 years of that stupid experiment!

    Blaming fiscal policy for inflation is like blaming your dog for you getting a sunburn. The issues have absolutely zero relationship to each other. The fed has literally all the monetary controls at its disposal, and with it, the ability to cause inflationary expansions (what they're doing now) and deflationary spirals (which they hopefully will never do).

    Further evidence of this is apparent from the sustained period of U.S. history when we had a balanced (or even surplus) budget, and also had price stability. During that time there were numerous periods of recession (e.g., there were two in the 1950s), and yet we had relative price stability whether we were in an expansion (most of the time) or a recession (numerous times during that period). And for basically all of the time after World War II and before the 1970s or 1980s, fiscal policy manipulation of the economy remained an obscure theory you found in some textbook, not something the government was actually doing. In contrast, tor the last ~40 years, the government has been engaged in this fiscal policy experiment, and we have also had relative price stability during almost all of that time. Now, where after decades of suicidal and idiotic spending, we're starting to have some real issues with inflation, and people are blaming.......fiscal policy? Where were these people for the last 40 years when Congress was spending like drunken sailors? And where was the inflation? And how did we have nasty inflation in the 1970s, which continued in to the '80s, and despite huge deficits, we returned to price stability? Your parents probably have the answer to that. Interests rates went through the roof (because of monetary policy), and we got our monetary policy in order, even while Congress continued spending like drunken sailors, we had price stability again. In short, the facts about fiscal and monetary policy from my entire lifetime demonstrate that these issues are unrelated to each other--we have had insane fiscal policy for 40+ years and no meaningful inflation. In contrast, where we had foolishly loose monetary policy (the late 1970s, and now) we have had inflation.
     

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    Your buddy did a good job.

    His take is logical and highlights how much stupidity there is around how covid has been dealt with.
    Yes, I am thinking about printing out copies to distribute at Thanksgiving dinner - haha. I think the plan is to keep the links updated as new information is released.

     

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    Just got notice yesterday that my facility was requiring the jab and that religous and medical exemptions would require extensive paperwork and review for approval. They are due next week. I got the jab today that I'd still have a job next week. I did inform the health nurse that since this was a company mandate now that the courts had put the Fed mandate on hold, if anything happened I'd be filing it under their workers comp.
     

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    To those of you who have lost your job or are still facing the loss of your job because of this bullshit, I just want you to know you’re not alone and to not let it effect your thanksgiving holiday with your family today. We will all eventually get through this.

    Cheers to you and I wish you and yours a great Thanksgiving day.

    🍻

    Note: This is not me saying you shouldn’t rip into a random family member after hours of drinking while waiting for an overcooked turkey to be tossed on the table. …because that’s what makes a holiday a holiday. …at least for those of us that are WOPs:: 🤌🏼 😂
     

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    Non-Rage Post:

    To those of you who have lost your job or are still facing the loss of your job because of this bullshit, I just want you to know you’re not alone and to not let it effect your thanksgiving holiday with your family today. We will all eventually get through this.

    Cheers to you and I wish you and yours a great Thanksgiving day.

    🍻

    Note: This is not me saying you shouldn’t rip into a random family member after hours of drinking while waiting for an overcooked turkey to be tossed on the table. …because that’s what makes a holiday a holiday. …at least for those of us that are WOPs:: 🤌🏼 😂

    There is a certain sense of peace that comes from being right.........

    All us dirty, filthy, unvaxxed heathens should feel that as we give Thanks.

    Edit/Add - This is not any sort of condemnation of people here that have chosen to take the shot. I respect your choice. All I want is to have the ability to also choose.
     
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    I was told by the number two in my organization that legal had informed them to approve every single religious exemption request. He said the exemption also gets you out of masks and testing.

    There are good people out there......like the business owner this past Sunday morning showing up at my door and saying when I get my shit straightened out he has a job waiting.
     

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    There are good people out there......like the business owner this past Sunday morning showing up at my door and saying when I get my shit straightened out he has a job waiting.
    That's great news,
    Always nice to know there is still good people around