Can’t wait to see a MS on the barrel, a garmin mounted on one side, and a LX mounted on the other side. Chrono fags are gonna blow a load when they see this
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The parent company of Labradar is a big boy radar company. The tech and such has likely been available for a long time and they could have almost flipped a switch and had this going. But likely chose to wait until regular labradar sales dropped off or a competitor came to market.
They could have also very likely upgraded the Labradar and chose not to due to sales being fine.
That's not going to be a popular take by consumers, but strictly talking money, they chose to spend as little as neccesary. As on paper, it doesn't matter if your product isn't the greatest if everyone keeps buying them.
Also, if it's been in testing for 6 months, that means in development long before that.
All the more reason not to buy one.
So you get with the Labradar LX
Garmin is more able to meet demand and you can frequently find garmin units on sale at different retailers, when was the last time labradar even ran a sale on their units prior to the panic sale that started in october for full size units?
- unit thickness 2x or 3x the garmin with the same width, with possibly? some battery life improvement (not that the xero has bad battery life at all)
- metal case increasing weight, but no indication of an IP rating on the brochure which is weird
- peep sight indicates to me that the beamwidth is atrocious, meaning the unit will be extremely oversensitive to changes in orientation relative to the muzzle without being mounted to the firearm or the firearm being prevented from moving much.
- buttons on the front instead of the top meaning that applying pressure will move the unit if it's not in a mount or physically fixed in place
- the screen is in color and isn't a monochrome, transflective LCD meaning that daylight visibility in the sun is going to be trash at anything other than high brightness settings (this is kinda important for anyone that doesn't shoot under a covered bench in good lighting conditions).
- worse remote connectivity experience (and no information on whether it has remote CSV export or not without having to pull or use a microSD card)
- same MSRP as a Xero
Garmin is more able to meet demand and you can frequently find garmin units on sale at different retailers, when was the last time labradar even ran a sale on their units prior to the panic sale that started in october for full size units?
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If they want to get them into the hands of shooters and try to outdo garmin they’ll have to do a trade in on the old ones. Only way to risk it for $600 against proven competition
$600 new
$300 with trade in
Won’t happen but it would get them in peoples hands who would give the feedback
Like Serbu coming out with an identical Glock 19 in 2024
$600 new
$300 with trade in
Won’t happen but it would get them in peoples hands who would give the feedback
Like Serbu coming out with an identical Glock 19 in 2024
The big mega corporation GARMIN rushed theirs to market before SHOT just to crush the little guy.
It definitely would have been a game changer had it beat the garmin to market though. Whoever is in charge of producing new products at garmin should expect a nice bonus
just move it 10 yards if that trivial information is that important
And crush they did.The big mega corporation GARMIN rushed theirs to market before SHOT just to crush the little guy.
https://www.infinition.com/en/
I'd imagine Labradar is just a dark forgotten about corner in that company.
Infinition Inc of Trois-Rivieres, Quebec, Canada.
Why the peep sight, why would one need to aim their radar. Garmin figured it out. I don't even try to aim mine. Just point it down range. At least with the LR mounted to the rifle, it will always be aimed at the target. Probably be the only way you might be guaranteed to record all of your shots lol.
I suspect it's to maintain radar alignment in order to more accurately measure downrange velocity.
If it wasn't included people would be bitching about that as well.
Garmin can get away with it because it doesn't track nor provide downrange velocity, nor does it need to (for 99% of people's usage).
Personally, the only time I can see downrange velocity (200yd+) being useful is precision rimfire for software truing, but these small consumer grade doppler radars aren't really up to the task to begin with and I suspect this new Labradar LX will be no different.
Sign them up for gastric bypass before they get any fatter!
I sure hope labgaydar is paying attention to all the animus against them here. They have obviously done something seriously wrong in the PR and CS departments.
They are probably tone deaf and won't notice, but it's a good case study for anybody else of the importance of public relations and customer service.......and fixing simple things that are complete dog shit as one poster mentioned, like the frigging app. It's 2024, after all; my teenager can program an app
They are probably tone deaf and won't notice, but it's a good case study for anybody else of the importance of public relations and customer service.......and fixing simple things that are complete dog shit as one poster mentioned, like the frigging app. It's 2024, after all; my teenager can program an app
Yeah I don’t give a shit about velocity other than at the muzzle and what I true down range with. When the Xero came out all the LR folks were shitting it for not giving info for downrange velocity.
This looks like they lined up 10 units and made a shot ... 6 out of 10 units didn't pick it up and 3 out of 4 got different readings!
It’s reading the speed of the boot going up the product managers ass
I wonder if LR has figured out how to do bluetooth yet?
Thank goodness I sold off my old Labradar when I did, they will be worth next to nothing now.
They were worth something after Garmin? People on here were giving them away to friends and family. I think one guy just left it at a range on purpose.
as in all businesses the incumbent becomes lazy and doesnt see the need to reinvent itself when the cash is flowing, not until they are surprised. They likely had this on their shelves but due to lack of competitors did nothing to advance it then Garmin happened and they seen their sales tank.
It's also useful for cast bullets that don't have a stated BC from the manufacturer. There's not a whole lot of people shooting cast bullets far enough to care, but for that small niche something like a Labradar is great. It's the only reason I didn't switch to a Garmin.
Came to post about that as well. It must have been a suppressed shot too...
With an accurate muzzle velocity you can use apps to true your BC.What happens on paper matters. Your drop will tell you your BC.
My LabRadar is temperamental, requires third party modifications (kinetic trigger) to work, and was very poorly supported. Garmin is going to have to really screw things up before I consider going with LabRadar again.
My next chrono will be the Garmin. I had a labradar for a while and it was finicky. Didn't like suppressors, or 22's, or muzzle brakes. Had to be carefully aimed at the target. It absolutely refused to get along with my 460s&w. Every other shot it would scramble its brain. My buddy's 338 edge finally finished it off. The little blue light just flashes really fast now. Screen stays black. It was fun while it lasted.
Guys it’s too late, someone already did it.
So let me get this straight; you make a mediocre (granted, innovative) product and wring your customers out for years, do nothing to address the problems despite the well known issues, continue to charge exorbitant amounts, and offer no further innovation.
Then Garmin comes along and absolutely wipes their ass with the labradar and now you come along and say: “wait hold on we can make that too!”
And then expect people to come running back to buy it after they’ve been penetrated with no lube for years by Labradar? Are we supposed to pretend that they couldn’t have done this earlier if they actually cared?
So let me get this straight; you make a mediocre (granted, innovative) product and wring your customers out for years, do nothing to address the problems despite the well known issues, continue to charge exorbitant amounts, and offer no further innovation.
Then Garmin comes along and absolutely wipes their ass with the labradar and now you come along and say: “wait hold on we can make that too!”
And then expect people to come running back to buy it after they’ve been penetrated with no lube for years by Labradar? Are we supposed to pretend that they couldn’t have done this earlier if they actually cared?
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Why the hell is there so many buttons? Not to mention the damn permanent McDonald’s straw.
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The ones that picked up the speed were on "bow" mode and the ones that didn't are on rifle mode. Not defending them, just pointing that out.
I'm going with whichever company send me one to review on Youtube. My 13 subscribers are waiting with bated breath.
Only way this thing will survive is if it runs with absolute 100% perfection if it misses any shots or has trouble picking up suppressed shots this think will sink faster than a cinder block in a pool with no water.
Any real world youtube videos showing a bunch of hiccups this thing will be finished faster than a virgin on prom night.
Any real world youtube videos showing a bunch of hiccups this thing will be finished faster than a virgin on prom night.
It's easier to start with a decently accurate BC and MV then use the automatic MV correction on a Kestrel to true up the model based on the actual drop you see. You'll have to true it up regardless if what you're shooting. With most bullets the manufacturer lists a reasonably close BC. With cast bullets it's easy to calculate something good enough from V0 and V100.
Legend. I've been thinking about putting a bullet in mine.
My customer service experience with labradar told me everything I need to know about that company. Broken port, that they tried to tell me was not broken. They absolutely refused to fix it until I got nasty.
I don't care what product they come out with in the future, or what the capabilities of that product are claimed to be, I will not buy from them. I feel Infinition and everything they touch will be tainted. I contacted that company no less than 10 times over the course of 3 months trying to buy one of their "big boy" radar units. No call backs, sometimes for weeks on end. I was prepared to spend $75k to get what I wanted... and they had no time for me.
I feel that they are clearly making their revenue from somewhere other than civilian sales and don't care about us at all.
They will never see another dime from me.
I don't care what product they come out with in the future, or what the capabilities of that product are claimed to be, I will not buy from them. I feel Infinition and everything they touch will be tainted. I contacted that company no less than 10 times over the course of 3 months trying to buy one of their "big boy" radar units. No call backs, sometimes for weeks on end. I was prepared to spend $75k to get what I wanted... and they had no time for me.
I feel that they are clearly making their revenue from somewhere other than civilian sales and don't care about us at all.
They will never see another dime from me.
I've never owned a lab radar. Used one of my buddys at a range and decided it wasn't worth the investment due to how challenging it was.
I bought a garmin the week of release and it's awesome, after lusting over the aspiration that BulletSeeker/Andiscan represented for more than a year. I belived this would lead to where we are and where we are going, garmin was my entry point.
Look, all the nashing of teeth over labradar's too little/too late - I get it for those burned by Labradar - but this is all on schedule and very good news.
If garmin sits back and doesn't improve their product - then we will have options. And not just what there is currently, there will be several more entries to this space.
This is great for us. Garmin is great. The literal best right now. There are many more things future versions in this space could do. So while I love my garmin, I am not a fanboi. Market offers something better, less expensive, then we will all have options. These will be below 300 before long and be more feature rich. Salad Days.
I bought a garmin the week of release and it's awesome, after lusting over the aspiration that BulletSeeker/Andiscan represented for more than a year. I belived this would lead to where we are and where we are going, garmin was my entry point.
Look, all the nashing of teeth over labradar's too little/too late - I get it for those burned by Labradar - but this is all on schedule and very good news.
If garmin sits back and doesn't improve their product - then we will have options. And not just what there is currently, there will be several more entries to this space.
This is great for us. Garmin is great. The literal best right now. There are many more things future versions in this space could do. So while I love my garmin, I am not a fanboi. Market offers something better, less expensive, then we will all have options. These will be below 300 before long and be more feature rich. Salad Days.
We have been lazy, but have been meaning to hollow out our labradar and turn it into a case for the Garmins.
Seems like Polaroid/ Kodak moment for Labradar
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Im unfortunate to know too many grumbling former kodakers. I laugh every time I take a digital picture.
You are not getting away with it , as folk from Andyscan have explained there are consequences to misalignment as in slight errors in velocity shown, all of these units will suffer the similar due to misalignment.
your suggesting if I have 5 garmins setup on the bench all slightly angled differently they will all read different MV? id love to see that test.
You can smart ass all you want but a dude that is smarter than both of us and made first rifle mounted radar years before Garmin and Labradar, explained in a post how and why both offset and orientation can influence measurements.
Looking for most consistent measurement you need constant offset and angle , best facilitated by rifle mount.
There is no magic compensation going on by Garmin or Labradar its just inept users inducing errors and thinking the magic box does magic things
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May I ask...where did you see any size information on the LR unit?
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