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Officer was justified in punching teen

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I for one am generally the first to say that officer was out of line. I also don't have a problem over resisting arrest under very specific circumstances.

<span style="font-weight: bold">[/b] I want to say he was right on punching that girl right in the kisser!!</span>
The girl was not only taller than the officer but probably out weighted him by 60lbs. On a second note the girlfriend who jumped on his back most probably would of gotten a face plant for her prize...
 
#5
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Unfortunately I don't think either of them learned their lesson and would probably have to get punched in the mouth a few more times in the future. : /
 
#6
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I for one am generally the first to say that officer was out of line. I also don't have a problem over resisting arrest under very specific circumstances</div></div>

Don't bitch until you've walked a mile in the Cops shoes.

I watched the vedio, I don't see how he was out of line one bit. It was a touchy situation, he had to end it and get out of there before a it went from bad to worse.

Best way to handle a situation like that is a good fist to the nose, taking them out of the fight, and getting they out of there.

I've see too many cops get hurt trying to wrestle woman and teens in disturbance when a wack in the nose would have been safety for all involved.
 
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That's a VERY VERY bad part of town, that officer probably had backup coming but was by himself - I think he was MORE restrained in doing what he did.

I would not go through that part of Seattle unarmed, no way in hell..

and Idrive through there when I have to go to the airport, or coming back - just a bad part of town...

AS one of the commenters said in the Seattle Times - do what that woman did in Chicago or NY and see if you are not on your stomach in cuffs very fast....or unconscious.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kraigWY</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I for one am generally the first to say that officer was out of line. I also don't have a problem over resisting arrest under very specific circumstances</div></div>

Don't bitch until you've walked a mile in the Cops shoes.

I watched the vedio, I don't see how he was out of line one bit. It was a touchy situation, he had to end it and get out of there before a it went from bad to worse.

Best way to handle a situation like that is a good fist to the nose, taking them out of the fight, and getting they out of there.

I've see too many cops get hurt trying to wrestle woman and teens in disturbance when a wack in the nose would have been safety for all involved. </div></div>

Take a quick look at the statement in bold....I said that I would have done the same thing. I also thing the officer may not have enough experience taking down subjects. I have seen problems like this before. One PD guy fighting with subject and 4 others watching. Me and PD guy went over his stuff and he found out that he had not be trained properly in what he was trying to do. The other officers got theirs.
 
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Like the rest of us I've watched the tape a number of time's and that pig-girl did not go down... too bad!!! But I wonder about this scenerio: a Dad and his daughter in the same set of circumstances...Dad belts brat, Dad goes to jail...how ironic!
 
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Put your hands on a cop and you are going to pay the price (and should) every time. He'll probably be transferred, not because he did anything wrong, but because he'll now be a target in that part of town. Professionally, I expect the worst thing for the officer is the razzing he'll get for not being able to drop a 17 yr old girl with one punch
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: leagle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Put your hands on a cop and you are going to pay the price (and should) every time. </div></div>

Couldn't the same be argued in favor of the girl? On the flip side: wheres Jessy Jackson on this, usually he's out making an ass of himself.
 
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I train in the Dojo normally 3 times a week now, used to be 5 days a week, had to slow down.

But he was NOT taking control of her, a simple leg sweep and wrist manipulation and hse would be down and in cuffs in seconds flat.

I know they teach arm bars and stuff at the academy because I went to the same academy that that officer went to.

Remedial "Defensive techniques" class is probably coming soon for him
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#13
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ArcticLight</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold">But he was NOT taking control of her, a simple leg sweep and wrist manipulation and hse would be down and in cuffs in seconds flat</span>.</div></div>

This is exactly what I was thinking. It should have been over before it ever started. As soon as she said get the F* off me and tried to move away he should have dropped her quick and clean.

But who knows what was going through the mind of that officer... Luck to him.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ArcticLight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I know they teach arm bars and stuff at the academy because I went to the same academy that that officer went to.

Remedial "Defensive techniques" class is probably coming soon for him
smile.gif
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http://www.ehow.com/video_2365822_aikido...af-bf23692eb02e

Agreed. the problem with a punch for any officer is that it looks bad. An arm lock, wrist lock, or similar,benign technique is alot more effective. Thats why they teach them.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ArcticLight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Remedial "Defensive techniques" class is probably coming soon for him
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As well as a nice civil suit.
 
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Yes, we like to think the escalation of events is normally in our favor, but in this case the cop was in the right IMO. The event of jaywalking was non-violent, non-threatening. His approaching the people about it I suspect was handled in a non-violent, non-threatening manner. Events turned into a multi-person assault on him when the perp had already committed a very minor offense (jaywalking) followed by a much more serious offense (resisting law enforcement). A multi-person physical assault following the resisting was a big shit sandwich for him that was not going to end pretty, regardless of sex or color. The latter two items just aggravate the situation.
 
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Now one important thing to note, CHris Rock (One of my favorite comedians) did lessons on how not to get your ass kicked by the police.

Lets watch...LOL

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ArcticLight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Now one important thing to note, CHris Rock
</div></div>
These black girls needed a white friend, no wonder they got their asses beat the only whitey is the cop. Get a white friend and save your ass. LOL too funny Arctic!
 
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the idiot with the camera could have helped the officer cuff the girl then nobody would have been punched! he was tired, frustrated and getting surrounded. someone could have grabbed his weapon. why do they think nobody has the right to touch them?
 
#20
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ArcticLight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Now one important thing to note, CHris Rock (One of my favorite comedians) did lessons on how not to get your ass kicked by the police.

Lets watch...LOL

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+1 This guy tells it like it is on a lot of things.
 
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All that for Jay walking wasn't it.... Law ENFORCEMENT is needed but this a little harsh for jay walking. I would hate to be the cop in that position cuz I would want to do the same thing... But thats why I don't sign up cuz only the best of us should be trusted to be Peace officers.. Just my 2 pennies.

Just watched it again and he needed back up in that area! He maybe justified...
 
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It may have started off with Jay Walking, but it had to escalate somehow to him trying to arrest her. Its a shame the car didn't have dash vid or if it did its a shame the whole gig isn't there.
 
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Submitted without comment for your perusal:

http://www.theagitator.com/2010/06/16/seattle-cop-punches-woman-in-the-face/

and here is Billy Beck's comment:

http://two--four.net/weblog.php


Just in case you dont want to click the link:

How To Draw A Line

"The entire effect — if not the purpose — of a jaywalking statute is to strip the individual of that which he is born with: the principal device with which humans are able and naturally authorized to make their ways through the world. This is a metaphysical issue that extends to politics. Beware of false equivocations with actual crimes that bring harm to others (contrast with those which are arbitrarily asserted by the state). Your question is sloppy. The matter is not whether an individual should be permitted to ignore the police so generally as you put it. If it were that simple, then all of politics is reduced to a binary solution set including only the alternatives of total rebellion on the one hand and total submission on the other, in every issue from jaywalking to murder, and anything else over which the state would claim authority. ('Whether you want to use one or two cups of flour in that recipe is not your choice: you will obey statute if we say so, or face the might of the state.')

Your question stipulates to the majesty of the law, without accounting that the law is almost always an ass.

Me? I know how to get across a street. My parents saw to that at an early age.

Fuck the police.

That is all."




Right on, Billy.

 
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Wow, all that for jaywalking? Personally, I think that so called cop needs his ass kicked!!

Number 2, IF he is a real cop he needs to go back to training!! Good gawd what a disgrace to the police department in that area!! He could not even hold down a woman? Let alone keep his cool over "jaywalking"?

Can you imagine where he would have been if he would have tried that with a guy? Of course he would have over reacted as he did here and pulled a gun.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Colonel Trautman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here lies John Rambo, winner of the Congressional Medal of Honor, survivor of countless incursions behind enemy lines. Killed for vagrancy in Jerkwater, USA</div></div>
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kapac</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wow, all that for jaywalking? Personally, I think that so called cop needs his ass kicked!!

Number 2, IF he is a real cop he needs to go back to training!! Good gawd what a disgrace to the police department in that area!! He could not even hold down a woman? Let alone keep his cool over "jaywalking"?

Can you imagine where he would have been if he would have tried that with a guy? Of course he would have over reacted as he did here and pulled a gun. </div></div>

You're an idiot. That is all. Don't ask me why, your remark isn't even worthy of debate. One day you will come to the realization of this.
 
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Small observation from 2001 - 2010:
'Those People' have been using race as a way to subvert the entire system and to get out of the consequences of criminal behavior when caught. They have come to the point of thinking that they can get away with violence over minor issues that a normal person would walk away from. The ignorant have surely been educated and do not participate in these acts, however, as shown in several videos online about this specific incident, the STUPID cannot be cured of their stupidity.
I think the bitch in pink got what she deserved, and the other one would have been dropped right to the ground toot sweet with a leg sweep. Yes, martial arts work real quick and fast, then be done with it, and piss on any rights they thought they had when they decided to try to resist a stupid ticket. Were they even THINKING? Dumbasses!
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 3PER</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
How To Draw A Line

"The entire effect — if not the purpose — of a jaywalking statute is to strip the individual of that which he is born with: the principal device with which humans are able and naturally authorized to make their ways through the world. This is a metaphysical issue that extends to politics. Beware of false equivocations with actual crimes that bring harm to others (contrast with those which are arbitrarily asserted by the state). Your question is sloppy. The matter is not whether an individual should be permitted to ignore the police so generally as you put it. If it were that simple, then all of politics is reduced to a binary solution set including only the alternatives of total rebellion on the one hand and total submission on the other, in every issue from jaywalking to murder, and anything else over which the state would claim authority. ('Whether you want to use one or two cups of flour in that recipe is not your choice: you will obey statute if we say so, or face the might of the state.')

Your question stipulates to the majesty of the law, without accounting that the law is almost always an ass.

Me? I know how to get across a street. My parents saw to that at an early age.

Fuck the police.

That is all."




Right on, Billy.

</div></div>

Your right. Obviously, crosswalks were invented to take away human rights and turn us all into slaves. There's no way they were made to help slower, older, disabled, young people who cant or have enough sense not to play frogger with traffic. Cars are big and heavy. People are not. You will lose that game.

Heres an idea:

If a cop is giving you a ticket, regardless of the violation, fight it in court. If you attack/assault/push a police officer, then you deserve the consequences you get.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BronxFireGuy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 3PER</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
How To Draw A Line

"The entire effect — if not the purpose — of a jaywalking statute is to strip the individual of that which he is born with: the principal device with which humans are able and naturally authorized to make their ways through the world. This is a metaphysical issue that extends to politics. Beware of false equivocations with actual crimes that bring harm to others (contrast with those which are arbitrarily asserted by the state). Your question is sloppy. The matter is not whether an individual should be permitted to ignore the police so generally as you put it. If it were that simple, then all of politics is reduced to a binary solution set including only the alternatives of total rebellion on the one hand and total submission on the other, in every issue from jaywalking to murder, and anything else over which the state would claim authority. ('Whether you want to use one or two cups of flour in that recipe is not your choice: you will obey statute if we say so, or face the might of the state.')

Your question stipulates to the majesty of the law, without accounting that the law is almost always an ass.

Me? I know how to get across a street. My parents saw to that at an early age.

Fuck the police.

That is all."




Right on, Billy.

</div></div>

Your right. Obviously, crosswalks were invented to take away human rights and turn us all into slaves. There's no way they were made to help slower, older, disabled, young people who cant or have enough sense not to play frogger with traffic. Cars are big and heavy. People are not. You will lose that game.

Heres an idea:

If a cop is giving you a ticket, regardless of the violation, fight it in court. If you attack/assault/push a police officer, then you deserve the consequences you get.
</div></div>

Let's not overlook the fact that crosswalks also keep vehcular traffic moving along by limiting pedestrian crossing. Funny, but I hear of more crashes with pedestrians in the rural areas than urban. If everyone was taught to "look both ways before you cross the street", why so many crashes?

Of course, by saying "Limiting Pedestrian Crossing", I really mean "Keep the populace in line to do my bidding".
 
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I also back the LEO's decision. Although I do agree that maybe some other defensive method would have been a better choice in the situation. I'm honestly suprised it didn't escalate into something more dramatic after the punch.

Fact of the matter is the women were more then out of line and he had to do what he had to do. I also feel like I'm being generous calling them women seeing how they were acting.
 
#35
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I think fight vs flight kicked in and the LEO was forced to get agressive for self protection. Drive stunning would've been a better option, but we're just arm-chair qb'ing.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CL1KKL4C</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I also back the LEO's decision. Although I do agree that maybe some other defensive method would have been a better choice in the situation. I'm honestly suprised it didn't escalate into something more dramatic after the punch.

Fact of the matter is the women were more then out of line and he had to do what he had to do. I also feel like I'm being generous calling them women seeing how they were acting. </div></div>
 
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+1

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Switchblade</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Small observation from 2001 - 2010:
'Those People' have been using race as a way to subvert the entire system and to get out of the consequences of criminal behavior when caught. They have come to the point of thinking that they can get away with violence over minor issues that a normal person would walk away from. The ignorant have surely been educated and do not participate in these acts, however, as shown in several videos online about this specific incident, the STUPID cannot be cured of their stupidity.
I think the bitch in pink got what she deserved, and the other one would have been dropped right to the ground toot sweet with a leg sweep. Yes, martial arts work real quick and fast, then be done with it, and piss on any rights they thought they had when they decided to try to resist a stupid ticket. Were they even THINKING? Dumbasses!</div></div>
 
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I cant believe it took so long to get her cuffed and in the car. All those people watching, no one helped? Where was his back up?

Totally the "womens" fault, but he couldve ended the situation faster. Or maybe not, she was a big bitch!
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#38
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justified - yes.

right move - IMO NO. Should of used a take down move and got that bitch in cuffs right away.
 
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Do it in LA and stick time coming for you !!


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ArcticLight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That's a VERY VERY bad part of town, that officer probably had backup coming but was by himself - I think he was MORE restrained in doing what he did.

I would not go through that part of Seattle unarmed, no way in hell..

and Idrive through there when I have to go to the airport, or coming back - just a bad part of town...

AS one of the commenters said in the Seattle Times - do what that woman did in Chicago or NY and see if you are not on your stomach in cuffs very fast....or unconscious.
</div></div>
 
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Indeed.



<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Switchblade</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Small observation from 2001 - 2010:
'Those People' have been using race as a way to subvert the entire system and to get out of the consequences of criminal behavior when caught. They have come to the point of thinking that they can get away with violence over minor issues that a normal person would walk away from. The ignorant have surely been educated and do not participate in these acts, however, as shown in several videos online about this specific incident, the STUPID cannot be cured of their stupidity.
I think the bitch in pink got what she deserved, and the other one would have been dropped right to the ground toot sweet with a leg sweep. Yes, martial arts work real quick and fast, then be done with it, and piss on any rights they thought they had when they decided to try to resist a stupid ticket. Were they even THINKING? Dumbasses! </div></div>
 
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All, the news may have overlooked this, but if you watch the full, 2.5 minute video you might see something a bit scary. Look behind the officer with the black male wearing a black coat and hat. See that object in his right hand? Yup, looks like a revolver to me. Why has NO ONE brought this to the attention of the media I wonder???

You have to ask yourself, was he debating on capping the cop, or was it drawn for another reason and if so why was it drawn? The officer never drew his.

Officer was justified, should have taken her to the ground immediately, but other than using poor defensive tactics in a piss poor situation, he made a good call. Now, why the hell he didn't have backup there in a city that large I have no idea. At least he got to go home at the end of the day!!

Semper Fi brother in blue!
 
#43
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I believe if you look again at the video, dude in black coat is filming with his cell phone. Cop is so slow resolving this issue he is real lucky mob mentality didn't get him.
 
#44
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Comming to your area soon.... The Carbon Cop's to save the planet. Reason for punching someone in the face (after resisting) next time? Lights on after dark? Burning wood in you stove on a no burn day? The control grid is closing in fast... Welcome to America home of the free? Land of the slave.

It's nice we go around the world to give others freedom. But what type of a Constitution did we set up in Iraq? U.S. style? Nope. UN/Soviet type! Why? Not sure. Are they too dumb to have freedom? Go walk around a Walmart and you will understand why presidents of the world agree we need a New Order to control the world. Even U.S. Presidents including both Bush's and Obama called out for this.

Why the rant? I fear for the Republic with all the control hungry people ready to save us from Anarchy. The Founding fathers are rolling over in there graves.

Freedom involves risk and as the weak people of our nation call out for safety, <span style="font-weight: bold">freedom</span> will be the price for are safety.

"The Constitution is just a god damn piece of paper."
Bush 41 (And this was the good guy!)

Henry Kissinger (still in the power structure) about the LA riots:

"Today, America would be outraged if <span style="text-decoration: underline">UN troops </span>entered Los Angeles to restore order. <span style="font-weight: bold">Tomorrow they will be grateful!</span> This is especially true if they were told that there was an outside threat from beyond, <span style="font-weight: bold">whether real or promulgated</span>, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all people of the world will plead to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by the world government."
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Subsonic308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Comming to your area soon.... The Carbon Cop's to save the planet. Reason for punching someone in the face next time? Lights on after dark? Burning wood in you stove on a no burn day? The control grid is closing in fast... Welcome to America home of the free? Land of the slave.

It's nice we go around the world to give others freedom. But what type of a Constitution did we set up in Iraq? U.S. style? Nope. UN/Soviet type! Why? Not sure. Are they too dumb to have freedom? Go walk around a Walmart and you will understand why presidents of the world agree we need a New Order to control the world. Even U.S. Presidents including both Bush's and Obama called out for this.

Why the rant? I fear for the Republic with all the control hungry people ready to save us from Anarchy. The Founding fathers are rolling over in there graves.

Freedom involves risk and as the weak people of our nation call out for safety, <span style="font-weight: bold">freedom</span> will be the price for are safety.

"The Constitution is just a god damn piece of paper."
Bush 41 (And this was the good guy!)

Henry Kissinger (still in the power structure) about the LA riots:

"Today, America would be outraged if <span style="text-decoration: underline">UN troops </span>entered Los Angeles to restore order. <span style="font-weight: bold">Tomorrow they will be grateful!</span> This is especially true if they were told that there was an outside threat from beyond, <span style="font-weight: bold">whether real or promulgated</span>, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all people of the world will plead to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by the world government." </div></div>
This, right here, is why this country is failing to maintain its status as a world leader. This gentleman can't even recognize the difference between the words you and your, there and their, or are and our. Yet he is content that he commands a firm grasp on world politics (and how they are being used to steal his freedom). As well as his certainty that most other people are not up to the intellectual task of analyzing a situation, and determining if it warrants his particular brand of paranoia.

Not every incident is an indication of our "impending" slavery, or the downfall of our constitutional republic. A jaywalking statute no more impedes liberty than a stop sign. If not for these legal guidelines, one would spend hours trying to reach a destination a few miles away. For without the statutes, speed limits would be lowered to account for the random idiot who crosses the road with a complete disregard for oncoming traffic. These rules were not put in place to imprison you, but to assign responsibility in the event of tragedy. In an ideal world, the reason the police issue you a citation is to remind you (in a way that saying "don't do that" wont) that you have risked your life/property and that of others, in exchange for minor convenience.

If you are utilizing a public road, whether by foot or conveyance, you are subject to the rules of traffic. These roads were not built with "your" tax dollars, but with "ours". Thus "you" don't get to decide which rules should apply; it is a collective decision by a collective of property owners. If a large enough group feels that the rules are faulty, they are free to organize a ballot measure to have the statute amended. But, that would require more effort than sitting back and selfishly complaining about your entitlement to "freedom".

Perhaps you should stop complaining, and arm yourself with the information needed to realize your vision of how this country should be. At that point, you would move away from the society destroying mechanism of entitlement; and on to the concept of work = reward.


I had no intention of picking on you specifically Subsonic. Yours was merely the latest post that demonstrated the characteristics I was admonishing. You were caught in the cross-hairs, so to speak.
 
#47
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Thanks for correcting me in my error. Do you even know what freedom is?

And with a camera in every room in a house we can stop child abuse.

I agree the world needs to grow up and get off the tit!

P.S. I will work on my grammer. I like the way you made me out to be too stupid to be taken seriously..
 
#48
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Subsonic308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks for correcting me in my error. Do you even know what freedom is? </div></div>

I do indeed have a firm grasp on freedom. Enough to know that the phrase "freedom isn't free" does not refer simply to the service of our fine solders. It applies most specifically to the idea that no one can simply be handed freedom by the generation that came before. A document (even one with the noble intentions of our constitution) cannot in itself confer any rights or freedoms; in order for you to have them, you must both be aware of their existence, and be willing to fight anyone who would supplant them with their own ideals. You do not have them simply because you want or even demand them. In addition, one should not to often cry tyranny, as it will debase the appeal of the argument; for those who are listening, or have true cause to use it.

While I applaud your vigilance and zeal, your attempt to equate this particular peace officer with a jack-booted thug is both uncalled for, and arguably incorrect. I was pointing out that I perceived your error, and demonstrating the why.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Subsonic308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
And with a camera in every room in a house we can stop child abuse.</div></div>

I could only see myself arguing that case in the event that the home was paid for with public funds (ie, section 8, or "project" housing). I believe that if you are using public funds to facilitate a way of life, the public has every right to know how you are using those funds. The main problems of course are in the implementation, and the inherent trustworthiness of those behind the camera, but that is a debate for another time. As for monitoring private citizens using private funds, I find it detestable even when they are on public land (especially since they are stakeholders in said land).

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Subsonic308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I agree the world needs to grow up and get off the tit!</div></div>

But do you agree that they also need to get off the freedom tit? Should one be free by birthright, when they display a lack of interest in even learning what freedom is? Or how to protect it?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Subsonic308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
P.S. I will work on my grammer. I like the way you made me out to be too stupid to be taken seriously.. </div></div>

I don't view you as stupid, simply misdirected and uninformed in this specific case. My method was meant only to convey that sentiment. You are certainly intelligent enough to know that freedom is worth fighting tooth and nail for. If only every citizen in this country was as vigilant as you, and directed toward a ligament threat.

That said, you did use two periods at the end of that sentence. Or were you intending to trail of in thought.....
 
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Re: Officer was justified in punching teen

As I read your post I tend to agree with you. I understand freedom is not free. Many brave people have died and are currently give all for the cause. And As I stated in my first post that the officer may be justified. We only see a short clip of the total events.

I just feel that individual rights are being sacrificed on the alter of security. And it's hard to believe the whole thing started over jaywalking. I would hate to be a cop in that area without backup.

P.S. I do not believe that housing, welfare, schooling, and other things the government offers are rights. This is the tit of government to the weak. And this tit is growing daily!



 
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Re: Officer was justified in punching teen


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't view you as stupid, simply misdirected and uninformed in this specific case. My method was meant only to convey that sentiment. You are certainly intelligent enough to know that freedom is worth fighting tooth and nail for. If only every citizen in this country was as vigilant as you, and directed toward a <span style="font-weight: bold"> ligament threat.</span>

That said, you did use two periods at the end of that sentence. Or were you intending to trail of in thought..... </div></div>


What, exactly, is a ligament threat? Inquiring minds want to know. Is that when someone tries to whip you with their ACL?

Also, wouldn't it be trail <span style="font-weight: bold">off </span>in thought?
 
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