Re: SEALs Scope... I know!!!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: armednsafe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If this forum is not for discussing any equipment that isn't "for the serious tactical marksman", then you're right. I should not be talking about this scope. But people also discuss Super Snipers here too, and those are not "for the serious tactical marksman" either. However, if you talk about a SS, you don't get attacked personally the way I have for talking about a CounterSniper. So, which is it? Can we talk about lower priced optics or can't we? </div></div>
I don't think the issue here has anything to do with lower priced opticed... It has to do with gear that is legit, regardless if it is being used to defend your life, punch holes in paper or ring steel. The problem is that the company that produces this scope has proved to be deceitful and untrustworthy, so much so that even if they were able to produce a product that was noteworthy (unlikely), their reputation has been tarnished to the point of no return.
Some of their offesnes being:
Their initial price offerring (in the thousands) trying to reap 99% profit on a Chinese scope
False advertising on multiple accounts
Designing reticles for Video Gamers? (pretending to be state of the art)
Over runs...
Dropping their prices and displaying them as 75%+ discounts
What is left to trust? Their is no consistency, you may buy a scope thats clear and the next is not. They may be the same model but have parts from different places and vary drastically in the limited performance they can offer. Maybe one batch was made in China by a bunch of children and it got to expensive so they move to a factory that works their younger sibling at a lower rate.
Things they could lie about or change without notice:
True magnification range
Types of optical coatings
Where parts came from
Where it was assembled
What different parts are made out of ( is it really that grade aluminum?)
The amont of true total windage and elevation adjustment
Inaccurate adjustments (not true .1 mil or .25 moa)
The accuracy of their reticles (not scaled properly)
Ability to withstand recoil
Warrantee
Inaccurate parralax adjustment
With that being said there is a plethora of modestly priced glass that comes from reputable manufacturers thats discussed here frequently. Not everyone on here has the means to mount a 1k+ optic on every rifle they own (although plenty do).
For instance, (although far from a perfect company) Bushnell offers very moderately priced glass as well as Vortex, Nikon, Leupold, SWFA, Weaver and Zeiss with their "conquest" line. Although from time to time there is the occasional lemon or marketing discrepency, more than likely any issue you run into will be unintentional and not the result of a deceitful practice.
Eg. I recently purchased a Bushnell Tactical 2.5-16x42, although its nothing amazing I do know
It is 2.5-16x
It is made in Japan
It is Argon purged
It does have fully multi coated glass
The mildot reticle is correct at 10x (where they indicate)
They will likely be around as long as I own the scope
I also own a super cheap Elite 3200 2-7... Although it is not the same leauge as its bigger brother I know it clear, will still hold zero, and possess all of the features that Bushnell claimed it has. They are both value minded scopes and I have overviewed both of them here.
The 3200 (japan) does not try to be a gadget ridden long range scope. Its simplistic
The Counter Sniper has to many bells and whistles, for to be done properly would require attention to detail, good materials and workmanship that neither Dark Ops or China has
China:
I have a CP on a break barrel air rifle. The glass is suprisingly clear for what it is and can focus sharply through mag up around 10-12, however it lacks a definition and contrast thats very evident once compared to better workmanship (or used in less than ideal light). I'm not suprised that you felt the CS was clear but cant imagine it has the same depth as others in its class.
Dark Ops= Pimp
Counter Sniper = Old Prostitute
No matter how much you try to remove her from the pimp she's still dirty and infected. The Pimp can have her get plastic surgery and breast implants...
But I'm still not touching her, there's a reason no one picks her up anymore
I don't mean any offense, and if your happy with your purchase thats great as well. I was just hoping to offer a bit of insight from at least my perspective. I'm aware of your objectivity in this situation but its too tainted even for consideration in my opinion.
Absolutely nothing to do with you or your review
Good luck
