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Rifle Scopes Swampfox scopes Good or bad?
- Thread starter Pharmer909
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I called out the Mike guy in a thread on arfcom where he was claiming that and his backpedaling was pretty funny to say the least. He also claimed that the factory is run by American workers. IMO they’re liars. They’re way too small to actually own the factory. I think it said they had like 5 employees and like $270K/year revenue. They’re very small, no way in fucking hell do they own a multi million dollar factory.
He also claimed that the factory they own makes scopes for major companies and seemed to not have a clue what I was talking about when indicated that OEM type manufacturers usually have non competes in place with the companies they manufacture for that wouldn’t allow them to market their own products in the same market. So if they did own the factory and were marketing their own product in the US market under swamp fox then it would potentially open them up to lawsuits from the companies they manufacture for.
Read their warranty, even that sounds like a load of shit and a way to dance around denying claims.
They’re just another company that contracted a sweat shop to make optics for them that’s reselling the junk to you at a 300-500% mark up.
This right here. This is an elitist hobby and we should keep it that way. Hell, I won’t even shoot with a guy unless he has $5K tied up in his rig, preferably closer to $8K. Let the riff-raff with their sub $1K glass and factory rifles find another hobby.
Quality is everything in the long run! There are good scopes to be had in that price range. I really don't follow ALL these new pop up companies and who know if they will be around come next year? A warranty only works if the company is still in business?This right here. This is an elitist hobby and we should keep it that way. Hell, I won’t even shoot with a guy unless he has $5K tied up in his rig, preferably closer to $8K. Let the riff-raff with their sub $1K glass and factory rifles find another hobby.
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I guess we should start w what are your intentions w this scope? Hunting, LR Comp, PRS, Plinking? Will your scope handle being pounded by a 338? Look for a good used scope from a reputable company that has a proven track record. I have a buddy thats always looking for next best thing at a budget price. Jumps over dollars to saves pennies NOT WORTH IT IN THE LONG RUN!!!!!
Im out, enjoy the debate!
Im out, enjoy the debate!
You're an idiot if you think that @The King is talking about a full blown military conflict between them and us.
LOL
Fantasy: "Today nobody knows who we are, in two years everyone will know who we are"
Reality: "Today nobody knows who we are, in two years nobody will still know who we are"
Made in China....get what you pay for!The cant on that scope is backwards
Wonder if the chamber is cut to spec lol?
I’m not apposed to another company marketing scopes, but the “Game Changer” and “turn the industry on its ear” talk just screams snake oil.
to those lurking, read this. We see through the bs. Just let your product stand on its own merit. Don’t be a blow hard. The market will refuse it.
to those lurking, read this. We see through the bs. Just let your product stand on its own merit. Don’t be a blow hard. The market will refuse it.
that's funny since nf glass is also made in japan and china same as 80% of all the glass out there athalon , Bushnell, vortex , and many others so are they trash as well ? Ferrari made cars that broke don't mean It's all bad or all good you just hope they stand beside there product and make It right if something is wrong . And as far as I can see companies like vortex do and a few others do. I just hope swamp fox is another that does cause my 22 is getting one soon .
Show us proof that NF is made in China? Please don't copy and paste a knock off from Ebay.
I believe it really just matters where they source most of the materials for the specific product. I think with NF they can be marked either made in japan or made in america, as I said, it's dependent on where the main materials were sourced from. NF has been working with the premier Japanese firm since their earliest days.
Yeah, and Japanese manufacturing is leaps and bounds above Chinese ?
I've heard that the Francis Marion model is the one to have.
I bought a 6-24 Patriot specifically to run Base class for NRL22. Its MSRP combined with a CZ 457 Pro Varmint hit below the price threshold.
Scope is what it is- a copy of a Vortex Diamondback tactical. Mushy turrets, no zero stop, and just usable glass. Shooting NRL22 with it is doable as our COF is almost always 100 yards and under (we do occasionally add 200-300 yards stages). I do like the included throw lever for the power ring.
Reputation and warranty in consideration I'd have rather had a Diamondback Tactical, but the MSRP puts it just over the threshold for this set up. Wish manufacturers would stop inflating their MSRP 10-20% over their MAP pricing.
Scope is what it is- a copy of a Vortex Diamondback tactical. Mushy turrets, no zero stop, and just usable glass. Shooting NRL22 with it is doable as our COF is almost always 100 yards and under (we do occasionally add 200-300 yards stages). I do like the included throw lever for the power ring.
Reputation and warranty in consideration I'd have rather had a Diamondback Tactical, but the MSRP puts it just over the threshold for this set up. Wish manufacturers would stop inflating their MSRP 10-20% over their MAP pricing.
I am moderately certain the company behind SwampFox is the OEM for the Diamondback tactical, so it is not a copy. It is the same scope. It is an older design, but return rates on it are quite low. It just soldiers on.
ILya
This right here. This is an elitist hobby and we should keep it that way. Hell, I won’t even shoot with a guy unless he has $5K tied up in his rig, preferably closer to $8K. Let the riff-raff with their sub $1K glass and factory rifles find another hobby.
I pay my butler to post on forums for me.
My butler pays his butler, to post for me. Go be poor somewhere else.
There is a proper tool for each level of the sport
Well said Bender. That’s all I am interested in. If it’s a quality piece, it’ll speak for itself.
Well said Bender. That’s all I am interested in. If it’s a quality piece, it’ll speak for itself.
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For those of you who don't understand how doing business with the Chinese fucks the US over, read this: https://www.extremetech.com/extreme...c919-jetliner-is-built-with-stolen-technology
It's just a minor example.
It's just a minor example.
China's new jet is more American than a Ford F-150 according to this pic.......
F$$k China and Chinese made products or any American that supports Chinese products. Keep the jobs here. Guys that support these low budget products will be the first to cry when your 401k tanks or American jobs are lost.
I’ll give props to China on one thing, they sure know how to play the long game in world domination.
There is a HUGE difference between an American manufacturer legitimately sourcing some components from suppliers who are better than they at that particular competency and buying a 100% Chinese product which is mostly a theft of others IP and/or profits/taxes on it go on to finance a government who sees nothing wrong with wholesale industrial espionage and IP theft.
Give us more then that man. Thinking I'll wait on the mil version either way. Which did you get?
Heh, I've got a old BCM 410 SS upper laying around that could use a cheaper 1-10x. I bought a Crimson Trace 1-4x refurb for cheap, but it's kinda meh. Nice glass but that's about it. Think i'll grab a new 1-10 Razor but wanting a cheaper option for this gun.
All of this hand wringing, panties in a wad, bombastic refusal to purchase anything made in China is quite laughable. "I will never do business with China", "I will never buy anything Chinese made" etc., ad nauseam.
Where are your home appliances made? Where are your electronics made? Outdoor/yard equipment? Picture frames? The clock on your wall? Hand tools? Ink pens? How many Chinese made parts are in your vehicles? Any of you shop at ChinaMart, aka WalMart? Can any of you guys swearing off anything Chinese made honestly say you have or use nothing Chinese?
Now if you guys are only saying you will never buy anything firearms related from China, and it isn't clear if you are or not, then ignore me.
Refusing to buy gunstuff made in China will not hurt them in the least, but if it makes you feel better I respect that.
I am not defending China or it's politics. Merely stating my observations in this and other similar threads. We can not get away from Chinese made stuff. Try to source fasteners for example. You lost a screw or two from your scope mount (they have a mind of their own), the OEM replacements can be ordered but the wait is excessive so you go on McMaster and can have them the next day. Chances are very good they will be sourced from China, if not then offshore for sure, just as the OEM sourced them.
And yes, contrary to mainstream media/dingbat politician claims, China is our number 1 threat.
Where are your home appliances made? Where are your electronics made? Outdoor/yard equipment? Picture frames? The clock on your wall? Hand tools? Ink pens? How many Chinese made parts are in your vehicles? Any of you shop at ChinaMart, aka WalMart? Can any of you guys swearing off anything Chinese made honestly say you have or use nothing Chinese?
Now if you guys are only saying you will never buy anything firearms related from China, and it isn't clear if you are or not, then ignore me.
Refusing to buy gunstuff made in China will not hurt them in the least, but if it makes you feel better I respect that.
I am not defending China or it's politics. Merely stating my observations in this and other similar threads. We can not get away from Chinese made stuff. Try to source fasteners for example. You lost a screw or two from your scope mount (they have a mind of their own), the OEM replacements can be ordered but the wait is excessive so you go on McMaster and can have them the next day. Chances are very good they will be sourced from China, if not then offshore for sure, just as the OEM sourced them.
And yes, contrary to mainstream media/dingbat politician claims, China is our number 1 threat.
I am Union and a strong believer in trying to always buy American made products. With any product i purchase, i ALWAYS look to see where it was made. So "YES" it does make me feel better...knowing i did my part to the best of my knowledge trying to help another AMERICAN family!
And if it cost 3-4 times more so be it! I was born poor and will die poor (HAVE TO MANY EXPENSIVE HOBBIES LOL)$$$$
And if it cost 3-4 times more so be it! I was born poor and will die poor (HAVE TO MANY EXPENSIVE HOBBIES LOL)$$$$
I still want to see one of them in person mostly just to physically see it I am in no hurry so its all good .
A buddy of mine already received his but medical problems have prevented the test run. He did mention that he loves the reticle though.
It seems like a pretty decent scope, but I have not spent a ton of time with it. It is next on the list though.
I have spent quite a bit more time with the 1-10x24 Arrowhead and like it quite a bit. It is very nice for the money and Kentucky Long seems to be quite good too given the price.
ILya
I would love to hear your thoughts on these vs medium end scopes such as the Brownells MPO. I guess I’m looking to see if it’s worth even looking at lower priced scopes. Thanks in advance.
