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That's a HARD NO -- on Globalist DeSantis.

That's a great mentality to have except I've been on the merry-go-round since 2008 when Obama took office and all the ranting and raving about how to change it didn't amount to shit and he won a 2nd term. Trump comes in as the dark horse and the Dems are caught with their pants down not expecting the punch to the face they just got, but they recovered very well in 2020 and 2022.

I just feel like they are prepared to take another punch from Trump and we will be having this discussion again in 2024, or we beat them at their own game and take a page out of their playbook.
Who ran against Obama? McCain and then Romney. They were “electable”, remember? Fitting that Paul Ryan ran with Romney and now he’s a vocal never trumper Fox exec pushing DeSantis. Don’t forget he was also speaker of the house with a majority and did nothing. So McCain, Romney, and Ryan all lost to Obama and they were(are) all never trumpers even though he did what they failed to do; beat a commie democrat. See the pattern?

In 2016 Trump didn’t catch the left with their pants down, he caught the republicans with their pants down. The gatekeepers on the right were never supposed to let him get the nomination(sound familiar?). Don’t forget McCain is the one who started the Russia hoax. People need to realize we don’t have two parties. We have us and we have an establishment. We only win if we beat the establishment and we only get an actual chance to do that once every 40-60 years. Sadly, Desantis has 100% aligned with the establishment. You can say that he’s just playing that card to get in but it never works out that way.
 
I’ll help both of you out. You are both equally propagandized. You both believe in the system designed to fuck you to death. You both believe your votes make a difference. You both probably back the blue that serves and protects politicians and oligarchs while committing violence on behalf of the criminal state. You both are likely to believe that justice is blind and can only be found curtesy of the state. You both are likely to believe in the rule of law and the constitution.

You are both equally wrong and equally brainwashed. If you weren’t then you would be trying to convince the other to stop believing in the foolosh things I just listed. Government is a criminal organization that rules by terror and force. Always was. Always will be. Nobody that serves it has any moral ground to stand on.
Dude you sound exactly like an angry old man shaking his fist at the sky, and your rants on here do just as much good. You don’t know shit about me. You saying it doesn’t matter who you vote for tells me you work a 9-5 and the stupid shit the govt does doesn’t directly affect you. Whatever happens you’re still doing the same thing and getting the same paycheck. Well business owners are directly affected by who’s in charge and the policies they implement. We own several businesses and let me tell you there’s a huge difference in running a business in 2017 and running one in 2023. Give these idiots another few years to fully crash the economy and you’ll realize it does matter who’s in charge.
 
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Dude you sound exactly like an angry old man shaking his fist at the sky, and your rants on here do just as much good. You don’t know shit about me. You saying it doesn’t matter who you vote for tells me you work a 9-5 and the stupid shit the govt does doesn’t directly affect you. Whatever happens you’re still doing the same thing and getting the same paycheck. Well business owners are directly affected by who’s in charge and the policies they implement. We own several businesses and let me tell you there’s a huge difference in running a business in 2017 and running one in 2023. Give these idiots another few years to fully crash the economy and you’ll realize it does matter who’s in charge.
You missed both the premise and point of my post. I knew you would. It’s a shame men are content with other men ruling over them.
 
You missed both the premise and point of my post. I knew you would. It’s a shame men are content with other men ruling over them.
Says the person that talks about it on the same forum that everyone else does. I'll happily join you in whatever world you think you live in.
 
Says the person that talks about it on the same forum that everyone else does. I'll happily join you in whatever world you think you live in.
I’m well aware of the world I live in and don’t like what it is. I can’t stand the fact that the gov’t through terror and violence of its police, can commit crimes against the population and its somehow justified in the minds of statists both professional and amateur alike. I’m at least pointing out what should be obvious. You guys on the other hand seem to want the same ole shit by advocating for more of the same ole thing. Govern me harder comes to mind.
 
Not mine but worth the read..

Donald Trump’s America First -vs- Ron DeSantis and the Multinationals


As the geography narrows before us, it is important to remember the stakes and avoid the distractions. As a consequence, the baseline must be reaffirmed. It is critical to understand that both the DNC and RNC are private corporations with no affiliation to government.

It is a difficult shift in thinking, but the party system in U.S. politics revolves around two distinct private corporations – two clubs that feed from the same corporate trough and position for influence and affluence within a political dynamic they control.

The priority for both clubs, Republican and Democrat, is NOT politically or culturally ideological. In the modern era, the corporate priority first begins with a battle over who controls each corporation.



As long as there is no challenge, the clubs operate without issue. However, when there is a battle for control of the corporation, a battle that will ultimately determine the financial outcome, the internal battle becomes the priority.

2024 is going to be the election season when we see this corporate battle explode inside in the Republican group. Decades of entrenched power are at stake, and there has been four years of counter positioning and backroom discussion leading up to this moment.

As a consequence, and I know this might sound odd to many people – but winning and/or losing elections becomes a secondary issue. The RNC is not focused on winning elections. The RNC corporation is focused on retaining control.

The RNC want to give the illusion of support for MAGA conservatism because they need the base voter, and they need to maintain the illusion of choice. However, every move they make on an operational level is exactly in line with their previous outlook toward cocktail class republicanism. The MAGA base of support cannot trust this corporate group, and we must not be blind or unguarded about the Machiavellian schemes they construct.

When you hear the influence group saying the two priorities for control of the Republican Club involve, (1) eliminating populism in the ranks; and (2) realigning with multinational corporate objectives (vis a vis Wall Street), what they are publicly expressing is their RNC corporate need to get rid of the America First economic agenda – to get rid of the MAGA influence.

How has this historically surfaced?



At a national level there is a unique policy priority that almost every politician, on both sides, will avoid discussing.

At a national level a single policy priority determines all other national policy outlooks. That policy is the national economic policy.

The national economic policy of a presidential candidate determines all other policies that flow from the presidential candidate. The national economic policy impacts the obvious policies like energy and trade, and also determines the lesser obvious policies like regulation and even foreign policy.

It is specifically because a candidate’s national economic outlook impacts all other issues, that most federal candidates and politicians never talk about it.

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It would be impossible to support Main Street USA, a popular talking point, and still support the Paris Climate Treaty, the Transpacific Trade Partnership (TPP) or the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP).

To avoid the contradictions, most Democrat and Republican politicians avoid discussing their national economic policy. It is an unspoken rule within the billionaire club and donor game – an economic code of omerta amid most political candidates.

President Trump broke the rule and even went so far as to campaign on an America First economic policy agenda. That core outlook forms the Make America Great Again foundation. MAGA is based on a national economic policy outlook that determines every other national policy as carried by President Trump.

While most Americans may not be able to articulate how the national economic policy impacts them, almost every American feels the consequences through gasoline prices, energy prices, employment, wage rates and the expenses within their everyday lives. To try and hide this reality, often media and economic analysts will say the U.S. President has no control over gasoline prices; however, this is unequivocally false.

Yes, it is true that oil prices are determined by the global market for the product – the supply and the demand. However, the energy policy of the president determines the domestic investment in natural resource development and extraction by oil companies. The energy policy determines domestic supply. The regulatory policy determines the expansion, or lack therein, of oil and gasoline refinery capacity. So yes, it is ultimately the U.S President who determines gasoline prices indirectly through energy and regulatory policy.

If this were not the case, then gasoline would cost nearly the same in almost every nation. It doesn’t. Right now, gasoline in Mexico is almost $1 less than gasoline in the United States, specifically because Mexican President Andres Manuel Lopez-Obrador is not trying to reduce oil resource investment, development and/or gasoline refinery capacity.

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President Trump was the first presidential candidate who campaigned on a domestic national economic policy. He even went one step further and stated the T-word, tariffs. Yes, the commerce department holds tools to support a national economic policy.

The tariff tool is another aspect to national economics that most politicians avoid discussing because the toolbox is counter to the interests of Wall Street, multinational corporations and hedge fund managers.

For a reference point, you might remember the apoplectic fits from financial and economic punditry to President Trump’s 2017 and 2018 steel and aluminum tariffs.

Economic security is determined by national economic policy. National security is also an outcome of national economic policy. Again, President Trump was also the first modern president to put that outlook to work when he said, “Economic security is national security,” and then began constructing a foreign policy agenda using the cornerstone of national economic policy. The result was quite remarkable and led to what eventually became the Trump Doctrine.

It was inherently the US national economic policy that underpinned President Trump challenging NATO to meet their financial obligations. It was national economic policy that drove trade policy and created the north American USMCA trade agreement. It was national economic policy that led to countervailing duties on Chinese and European imports. Which had the remarkable effect of actually lowering prices inside the United States.

We began importing deflation through lower priced goods as the value of the dollar increased and China/EU central banks devalued their currency to avoid the impact of tariffs. Asia and the EU also subsidized their export manufacturing with incentives in order to lower costs as an offset to the tariffs, while simultaneously Asian and European companies began investing in production facilities inside the U.S. as a long-term approach to retaining access to the U.S. market. To put it succinctly, this was MAGAnomics at work.

U.S. wages increased, U.S. job growth increased, U.S. energy prices dropped with increased energy development and a massive cut in regulations, and that in turn lowered the cost of domestic goods. Suddenly we were importing goods at lower prices and generating goods internally at lower prices. More MAGAnomic outcomes, which, not coincidentally, was the exact opposite of all Wall Street claims and predictions.

Making America Great Again, was an outcome of national economic policy. At its core, MAGA is a national economic dynamic within a political movement that is represented by President Donald J. Trump.

It is critical to understand the MAGA economic policy is essentially a national policy completely, and uniquely, under the control of the office of the President. The impact to the lives of Americans is a direct outcome from national economic policy. If a president wants to lead an independently wealthy country, he/she applies a very specific economic outlook to all other policy areas including energy, regulation and foreign policy.

It is also true that opposition to President Donald Trump is uniquely connected to the America First economic agenda.

Multimillion-dollar lobbyist firms like the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and the Business Roundtable, along with dozens of economically established SuperPACs funded by Wall Street and multinational corporations, are vehemently opposed to the America First economic agenda.

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All of the national politicians and political candidates taking money from these aforementioned groups necessarily bind themselves to a position that stands against the America First economic agenda.

In essence, if you take money from the multinationals, you cannot deliver on MAGA economic outcomes for banking, trade, finance etc. And that’s exactly where we run into the problem.

Because MAGA national economic priorities conflict with the multinational corporations, hedge funds and the Wall Street donor class, all of the politicians who accept the influence checks from these self-interested groups cannot run on, or deliver, a MAGA national economic agenda.

At a local, county and state level, you have direct impact on the political policy agenda in your community. Who you elect to the city council, school board, state house and senate as well as governor’s office has an impact on those local and state priorities. However, national economic policy, national energy and trade policy and national foreign policy are not under your control.

As a result, the same skillset, or policy outlook, that makes a governor a successful state politician doesn’t carry into a federal office, [see the example of Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker]. Yes, there are some executive and administration skills that carry over; however, on the bigger issue of steering the national policy agenda, almost every candidate for office comes with the baggage of having accepted donor contributions from a class of people who are paying for economic policy influence.

MAGA cannot be purchased. It is a political outlook that seeks only to enhance the best interests of the American people, regardless of consequence for the multinationals or foreign beneficiaries of globalist U.S. economic policy. Unfortunately, as a result, all of the beneficiaries are aligned to make sure the MAGA economic policy outlook is extinguished. There are literally trillions at stake. This reality underpins the opposition to Donald Trump.

When you understand why the national economic outlook of the President is so important, you can also understand why every political candidate is told not to discuss it by the handlers and campaign managers who are essentially selling their candidate to a millionaire and billionaire donor class who do not want an America First economic policy agenda.

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There is no easy solution for this problem, and ironically this core economic issue is where you find supporters of both Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump in alignment.

Where the Sanders and Trump camps split is on the solution. Team Sanders wants the government to play the role of economic referee (regulation), while Team Trump wants the government to change the rules of the economic game (countervailing duties, tariffs etc).

Before Donald Trump entered politics, there was no home for people voting on the issue of a national economic agenda. Both Democrat and Republican candidates had essentially the same worldview on national economic policy because they were all getting money from the same multinational corporate trough. However, President Trump changed that dynamic by presenting an alternative national economic policy called America First.

For decades middle America was begging the McConnell’s, Ryans, Boehners, Romney’s, McCain’s, Bushes, et al, to make America First economic policies their priority. All of our shouts for help fell upon deaf political ears plugged by corporate donations and influence. Our communities were literally collapsing around us (see rust belt), and yet no national politician would do anything of consequence.

By the time Donald Trump arrived, decades of frustration exploded in an eruption of massive applause because he was articulating the central economic issue that was being ignored by the professional political class. The America First agenda is the restoration agenda. From Trump’s national economic policy, the middle class erosion stopped. Economic security, specifically U.S. employment stability and wage rates, goes hand in glove with border security and immigration controls.

MAGAnomics is the core of the great MAGA Republican coalition, a working class coalition that cuts through all other distinctions and divisions. It is not Republican because of political affiliation; it is “MAGA Republican” only because the Republican Party was the political vehicle selected by Donald Trump to install the policy.

This reality creates a problem for the DC professional political class and the corporate media. Because MAGAnomics is the fundamentally binding principle, there is no way to fracture the Trump supporter coalition.

I am a “MAGA Republican” by default of my wanting a national economic agenda that looks out for the economic interests of American’s first.

Donald Trump is the irreplaceable Great MAGA King, because Donald Trump is the only one who holds that same outlook. Unfortunately, the Republican corporation does not carry that priority. Thus, the Big Ugly battle for control of the Republican Party is being previewed right now and will grow in scale and consequence very soon.

Let me emphasize a key point. The Republican Party is not positioning to win the 2024 election. The goal of the Republican party is to remove the threat represented by Donald Trump. When you start there, all of the RNC weaknesses or flaws look very different, very purposeful.

Donald J. Trump isn’t the cause of the Republican failure; he is the result of their failure.

The people in control of Republican Club do not care who is in the White House – that is a secondary objective. What they care about right now is controlling the Republican corporation and stopping the hostile takeover.

Every single Republican presidential candidate for 2024, sans Trump, will be inserted into the race to help the Republican corporation in this battle. When you see them enter, instead of asking, ‘how can they win‘, ask yourself what is their mission on behalf of the Club priority?


 
Interesting.. Maybe some just missed it.. and cant see through the trees? Again its just information.. Do what you want with it.


President Trump just called Ron DeSantis a globalist. He’s 100% right. Here’s a long thread with everything i know so far to validate his point. 1. War DeSantis said Trump wasn’t tough enough on Russia and advocated for more lethal aid to Ukraine.





President Trump just called Ron DeSantis a globalist. He’s 100% right. Here’s a long thread with everything i know so far to validate his point. 1. War DeSantis said Trump wasn’t tough enough on Russia and advocated for more lethal aid to Ukraine.
 
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"The only way "we" don't win is if the election is rigged" Did any candidate make that statement yet? Will there be a RNC Convention floor fight? Does Trump have so much support that even if he is indicted 3 or 4 times the RNC will still cave to his threat of running as an independent? Does it even matter?

Every single Republican presidential candidate for 2024, sans Trump, will be inserted into the race to help the Republican corporation in this battle. When you see them enter, instead of asking, ‘how can they win‘, ask yourself what is their mission on behalf of the Club priority?


Their mission is to dilute the DeSantis vote. All the other candidates are the same. As are all those that haven't jumped in yet.

The RNC is like that mild mannered professional wrestler that would be trotted out to receive a major beating.

The takeaway is that it's all professional wrestling.
 
"The only way "we" don't win is if the election is rigged" Did any candidate make that statement yet? Will there be a RNC Convention floor fight? Does Trump have so much support that even if he is indicted 3 or 4 times the RNC will still cave to his threat of running as an independent? Does it even matter?




Their mission is to dilute the DeSantis vote. All the other candidates are the same. As are all those that haven't jumped in yet.

The RNC is like that mild mannered professional wrestler that would be trotted out to receive a major beating.

The takeaway is that it's all professional wrestling.
Close, very close but you missed it... They want Desantis.. He will fall in line with what they want... They are trying to get Trump out.. Actually surprised you got this close..

Ron DeSantis Plots Politics with Chris Sununu in New Hampshire




Some other stuff for you guys

John Thune Will Endorse Tim Scott for 2024 GOPe Nomination – It Is Time for the Senate to Protect Its Interests

https://theconservativetreehouse.co...time-for-the-senate-to-protect-its-interests/

DeSantis Quietly Signs New Law Sealing All of His Travel Records From Public, the Law Applies Retroactively​


Georgia Gov Brian Kemp Organizes Billionaire Bush Clan on Sea Island to Plot State for DeSantis, While GA Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger Meets With Zuckerberg CEIR Election Manipulation Group​


DeSantis Owners Not Happy, Wall Street Worried That Too Much Woke Stuff Lessens the Value of Their Candidate to Defeat Trump and Retain Affluence​


There are None-So-Blind as Those Who Refuse to See​


RESPONSE: Ron DeSantis voted for Trans-Pacific Partnership and [fast track] Trade Promotion Authority in congress. DeSantis was funded in this advocacy by Club 4 Growth, who continue to fund and organize for presidential candidate Ron DeSantis, including a February 2023 donor retreat in Miami exclusively for the multinational funders who support the C4G policy.





DeSantis 104 – Pay to Play, Florida Govt Officials Asking Tallahassee Lobbyists to Donate to Ron DeSantis Election Effort​


May 26, 2023 | Sundance | 94 Comments
According to Florida lobbyists, they have been contacted by state employees with instructions to send payments to the campaign of Ron DeSantis. The ethical problems within this effort are numerous and could potentially be legally liable for DeSantis government officials participating.
At best, the issue is extreme swamp behavior, where DeSantis officials are pressuring lobbyists in Florida to donate to the DeSantis 2024 election campaign or their advocacy may be disregarded in state budget considerations.
When state employees use their offices to solicit payments to political entities, the legal issues become very murky. Then again, this is swamp behavior – and when you hire the swamp to push your agenda, these are the types of outcomes that surface.
TALLAHASSEE, Fla. — Officials who work for Gov. Ron DeSantis’ administration — not his campaign — have been sending text messages to Florida lobbyists soliciting political contributions for DeSantis’ presidential bid, a breach of traditional norms that has raised ethical and legal questions and left many here in the state capital shocked.
NBC News reviewed text messages from four DeSantis administration officials, including those directly in the governor’s office and with leadership positions in state agencies. They requested the recipient of the message contribute to the governor’s campaign through a specific link that appeared to track who is giving as part of a “bundle” program.
“The bottom line is that the administration appears to be keeping tabs on who is giving, and are doing it using state staff,” a longtime Florida lobbyist said. “You are in a prisoner’s dilemma. They are going to remain in power. We all understand that.”

The legality of the solicitations depends on a series of factors, including whether they were sent on state-owned phones, or if they were sent on state property. A longtime Florida election law attorney said that even if the DeSantis aides are fundraising for the campaign in their personal capacity, off the government clock, it still raised ethical questions.
“At a minimum, even if they are sitting in their home at 9 p.m. using their personal phone and contacting lobbyists that they somehow magically met in their personal capacity and not through their role in the governor’s office, it still smells yucky,” the attorney said. “There’s a misuse of public position issue here that is obvious to anyone paying attention.”
But the practice was still jaw-dropping for those who have long been involved in Florida politics.
NBC News spoke with 10 Republican lobbyists in Florida, all of whom said they couldn’t remember being solicited for donations so overtly by administration officials — especially at a time when the governor still has to act on the state budget.
[…] DeSantis has framed much of his political persona as a political outsider whose goal is to “drain the swamp.” His campaign store quickly started offering t-shirts saying “DeSantis breaks systems” after the flubbed Twitter rollout, which his campaign is saying was due to such a high level of interest that the social media platform simply could not handle.
“The practice feeds the DeSantis corrupt swampy meme perfectly for opponents. For no f—— reason,” said another veteran Florida Republican. “Hard to be Mr. Break the Internet and Swamp when you do this. Really dumb.”
Republican consultants and fundraisers in other states told NBC News they have not heard of a similar situation of state employees trying to get political contributions, and it would raise serious questions if their clients tried a similar approach.
“If any of my clients had legislative staff sending out donation links, we would be having a hard conversation,” a Republican fundraiser who works on federal elections said.
The person added that regardless of legal implications, the optics of taxpayer-funded staff asking lobbyists for political cash are bad.
“Whoever is telling these kids to do this has lost their damn mind,” said another Florida Republican lobbyist. (read more)

Hang around a one-legged tribe long enough, and eventually you are going to start limping.
 
First off, fuck the media, I want no part of it, secondly your misinterpreting where I'm going with this. I voted for Trump...twice. Loved what he did while in office. When I speak of souring people, it's the people that didn't like what he did I'm referring to, the same people that ensured he will never win another election and that want to put him behind bars. There are some Republicans in that mix as well.

What I don't like is how he conducted himself since the election and hasn't done anything to bring the party together, instead we are a divided party of misfits.
Bring the Party together?
Bwaaaahahaha. The party that did jack shit to help him/his agenda while in office. The party that was in on the Russia hoax. The party that just a few months ago passed the omnibus spending bill. The party that ran in repeal and replace Kenyan care then didn't. Not only did they vote against it's repeal they never had a rough draft of a replacement. That's how confident they were that Trump was not getting elected.
Party, that's fucking comical.
A week after the bogus election of Biden the PARTY was soliciting money and using the Trump name and agenda. Send us money so we can get back control. When we have control we can finish building the wall and blah blah blah
 
Bring the Party together?
Bwaaaahahaha. The party that did jack shit to help him/his agenda while in office. The party that was in on the Russia hoax. The party that just a few months ago passed the omnibus spending bill. The party that ran in repeal and replace Kenyan care then didn't. Not only did they vote against it's repeal they never had a rough draft of a replacement. That's how confident they were that Trump was not getting elected.
Party, that's fucking comical.
A week after the bogus election of Biden the PARTY was soliciting money and using the Trump name and agenda. Send us money so we can get back control. When we have control we can finish building the wall and blah blah blah
You can’t fix stupid @DarnYankeeUSMC. Anyone that’s still pro gov’t and it’s police while believing in the system after the covid tyranny and murders, open borders, intentional inflation and rising taxation, fake as fuck elections, and the Ukraine money laundering scheme are idiots and beyond help. Unfortunately this is the vast majority of people. Brainwashed fools.
 
Close, very close but you missed it... They want Desantis.

I'm gonna guess you believe Trump legitimately won in 2016.

They want DeSantis?

They are DeSantis.
They are Trump.
They are Hillary.
They are Biden.

As the iron law of oligarchy becomes apparent to the people a need for deception becomes apparent for the oligarchy.

ALL professional wrestling.
 
I'm gonna guess you believe Trump legitimately won in 2016.

They want DeSantis?

They are DeSantis.
They are Trump.
They are Hillary.
They are Biden.

As the iron law of oligarchy becomes apparent to the people a need for deception becomes apparent for the oligarchy.

ALL professional wrestling.
Guessing you believe he was installed? Then given the illusion of fake lawsuits and fake News and so on... Do you actually read what you type? Yeah they put a guy in the previously loved then he upset the apple cart so they impeached him twice over a PERFECT CALL ...

I think the Silent Majority spoke and the Dems couldnt find enough votes to take him out.. They thought Hillary was a sure win and counted on it because they had the ballots not the votes..

Trump tried to make America first and his policies reflected that... Now how can you argue that? Stated he wanted to better America and he did... What is wrong with that? You not keen on America doing good or yore Neighbor Getting a new car?

My hope isnt in this world... I fear for my kids and grandkids ... If I die they will have enough projectiles to do whats needed.
 
Good anti DeSanta thread. Don't trust the guy as far as I can spit.


You're one of those Russian or Chinese hacks sent to sew discord and divide the different groups of people in the USA aren't you? We know you're out there on the interwebs dropping these threads and posts and walking away like a little punk and watch everyone argue and bicker.

"A house divided can not stand" -Raffy

Edit: You're*
 
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